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Or just simply add a penalty to the card >.>;

Dress up as a champ and run around punching everyone saying Asura Strike!~ if they ask tell them its apart of your costume.

Dress up as a champ and run around punching everyone saying Asura Strike!~ if they ask tell them its apart of your costume.

Personally I was borne with them! I live for the wilD! Oh wait wrong subject... Sorry the title threw me off >.>;

This is why people need eyes >.>; Thank you for taking your time to read and yes I know and a sinx could use 5 SKs witrh a WS and keep someone perma frozen! Well aware :) but I still don't seem to run into many people who use SK, maybe a champ every now and then- Which apparently maybe that card should be considered to =p. Stop trying to divert the argument >.>; If you can't understand the argument or if you will try to change it then don't post -.-; I mean seriously either learn how to properly debate or get someone else to do it for you :) Maybe then we will get somewhere <.<;

Lol!

a⋅buse    /v. əˈbyuz; n. əˈbyus/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [v. uh-byooz; n. uh-byoos] Show IPA verb, a⋅bused, a⋅bus⋅ing, noun –verb (used with object) 1. to use wrongly or improperly; misuse: to abuse one's authority. Thank you dictionary.com for the pretty definition of Abuse :). Now if we were to put Abuse into this context for Ws then the assumptio would be that the card its self is abusive; where as since this card was never ment to be an instant armor breaker it is being misused in a server with 195 ASPD. Which of course could apply to multiple other cards which is why I won't call this card abused. Throwing in a red herring by sending us onto a path about how people will say other cards are abused is kind of pointless- Fortunately I have a bit of logic. >.>; You are really throwing this in here but it doesn't make sense? I'm not asking for a nerf because I have been simply beat by it - I'm asking for on for a case of balance and strategy -.-;. Incantation doesn't change the balance of the server at all and it simply is a strategic thing, like Thana card is :D. But WS you are garunteed a sure fire break if the user lacks FCP/RSX and this break will be in a few seconds which honestly there is No balance in that or is there no strategy in that :). So before you guys simply throw aside my argument and say I'm just accusing it of being abused then you are wrong. I'm acussing it of being imbalance. Tao was changed for a reason and I'm pretty sure this card could be altered as well. I mean and Devotion is right even a 2.5% chance could make all the difference~ Those few seconds are anything a good battle and you guys know it :) and keep in my mind I'm considering a box less 1v1 dual- And honestly a lot of people don't really care if it gets a nerf or not, as Hrist said. <.<; Oh and about SK: NO ONE USES IT LOL! (Or hardly anybody)

Well my argument isn't the fact that is abused and I know there is no hostility here but Evasive >.> <.<;;; I mean seriously man :/. I mean I'm not crying because I am always prepared for WS card and if it does work on me i know that is my fault because I wasn't smart enough to box my FCPer so don't take me as someone who is "Crying" about this situation I am just simply trying to explain why I think the % should be lowered. That is simply because the ASPD is high here and 7% = About 1 second and broken. Whether this gets approve, which I doubt it will, doesn't bother me but Tao was Nerfed for a reason and so was Thana for Champions so in my honest opinion this card should be lowered. I think my argument is strong but so is my will so I'm sure that will cloud it up =p. So do not accuse me of crying or being stupid because I'm neither and don't assume my situation or my reasoning. I think if WS was to be a more strategic choice than the % would be lowered but if not then it is just an almost sure fire choice for some. For my part I'm trying to point out anyone or am I trying to flame anyone- Some peoples arguments/ posts I may totally ignore, not to mention any names, but I'm not here to punch people out ^.~. And Ofc I have love devotion <3 :D Edit: Its not like the will be a big change anyway >.> Its a matter of like changing one number that would most likely be ridiculously easy to find. So if you guys think this won't effect much than why not just agree? Not like the staff would be wasting more than 2 seconds XP...

Evasive your argument doesn't support anything at all >>; I give up if you people will continue to give arguments that don't disprove or approve of the main argument I will just stop posting. I'm simply saying that FCP/ RSX are ways to null out the card completely it doesn't explain why the card shouldn't be nerfed. I mean we all know that WS can be countered but it doesn't explain that it simply activates to fast :/ and those few extra seconds can easily change the sway of the battle and if you dont care Hrist then why post up here >.>?

Kevin you still fail to realise what I'm saying, actually I don't even know what you are saying lol. I will continue repeating myself until somebody can give me a formidable argument as to why it should be nerfed. If you use FCP or RSX as a defence you are just arguing the usefulness of the card- This isn't a rant section or a cry section this is a suggestion about lowering the rate of occurrence and with FCP/ RSX the rate of occurrence doesn't matter so then why are you even trying to debate here :/? Just simply put tell me why the rate should not be lower and don't tell me how I can counter the card all together because I'm not dumb -.-; So please Kevin if you can't make a constructive point to this argument then don't repeat yourself because I'm tired of reading something that doesn't prove or disprove anything ^^

That would be what reading is for Hrist :/ apparently the argument is a little more clear cut than that and I simply said lets drop the whole FCP issue ect. Because with FCP it makes both the "Nerfed" version of WS useless and the original useless so that really gets us no where in this argument. so please if you can come up with a valid argument of why WS should not be lowered without mentioning any ways of completely nulling the effects of the card please tell me :)

This won't ruin the server >.> You are contradicting yourself you know that right? If WS is so easy to counter than why would people use it? Then why would a nerf be so bad? Actually lets go ahead and leave the whole "Countering" Issue out of this because simply being said if someone has FCP/RSX then they won't even be effected by this card at all so let's just drop that issue completely - because even if it gets nerfed or if it doesnt than this won't effect it. I'm trying people to get more focused on why it should be nerfed instead of how it can be countered. You need to think more of on terms of a battle without FCP and RSX to clearly see if the nerf is necessary or not, Saying that is counterable doesn't support the fact that it should be nerfed nor does is it against it- Its just naming something that isn't valid to the argument(Unless we claimed to remove the card, which we aren't). So please let's drop the whole "It is counterable" argument since it won't lead anywhere and tell me why you think 7% is a small number :) ^^

Yes Dynamic IP ftw!

I think all of you still fail to see the point of this -.-;. You guys are aware that not everyone can dualbox, right? Or are we just being ignorant about this? I think I will go with the second. I'm tired of hearing that "There are tons of ways to counter WS" ; In reality there are only two so let me break this apart and explain why this counters are easy to obtain for some, how the also support the idea that the effect should be nerfed: RSX, this card is cheap and protects your armor from breaking but yet it also takes up a card slot, read on before you stop here, this is a huge sacrifice to make when carding armor considering there are plenty of cards that need to be considered for PVP (Tao, Ghostring, Angeling ect.) so just simply angling this card into your armor will only protect you from WSers instead of everyone in general and smart people typically put the card to be the most versatile so most people won't put this unless they have multiple armors. Ok now let's talk about FCP- It is expensive to cast FCP but yet it is obviously the best defence when it comes to breaking/stripping armor but yet it requires someone with a Bio - whether it be a boxxed character or a friends character someone still has to be there, and guess what? Not everyone can dual box nor do they have other people so lets go ahead and close using outside sources which basically just leaves RSX as the main defence. So like I said not that many people don't have RSX and most every melee or people planning on using WS having either max aspd (195) or Kiels for spammability(GS). Since everyone likes to mention that this "IS A HIGHRATE" I will too and take the fact that since this is a highrate the rules have changed and 7% is no longer a fair percentage it has no become a quite large percentage and would easily activate within the first few seconds of battle and would break the armor and then the fight is over. Now lets consider giving people who use WS a challenge by lowering to 1% because then it would be about 7-15 seconds until the armor break is initiated, which isn't a useless WS btw, these few extra seconds easily change the sway of the battle and make it more skill based rather than just one card determining the end of the fight. Honestly when I dual people one vs. one I do not use FCP just to make the fight fair but most of the times I don't like dualing people with WS just because of how fast it activates- That being said I'm not asking for a huge nerf that would throw this card out of the game- I think it is a great strategic card its just you take the strategy out of it when you leave it at 7% because it is no longer how "Hopefully it will activiate" it is now "Ill just wait a few seconds until there armor is broken". I dispel plenty with 1% randgris and Coma tons with an Edge - I don't think 1-2% is something horrible to talk to. Evasive: Please do not use logical terms that you got from some dictionary again because you just make yourself look like a fool. Dreams: I will however agree being vulgar is one* thing but being abusive is another - I'd rather see this discussed than to simply see it get closed. Kevin: What does Asura have to do with this? And this won't ruin the server unless you are unable to formulate a good fighting strategy :/. I think I have made my point very clear and very valid so if you think you can counter that without explaining anything about FCP and RSX then I will be glad to keep going but if you can't then you have no real argument....

Wtf double post O.o;;l;

I don't know what berries have to do with this but still >.>; This card will still be effective I mean Valk R is effective, Edge is still effective atm it is just a bit to effective for the advantage that is gives. Tao was nerfed for this reason and look it is still just as popular and expensive. This card is hardly killed for it is actually mostly donated for like SinX and Sniper due to the diffiulty of this MVP. I don't think people will QQ about lowering it more honestly and if they do I will be there on the other because 1% is plenty low while also being plenty high. I'm looking for balance not for my own personal gain. I mean if it doesn't get changed it doesn't get hanged but a formidable argument has been made for why it should be brought down to 1% and I agree with it and even though people have brought up good arguments I don't think they compare to the argument as to why it should be gimped. I think if we let this rely on a vote or on pointless replies we will get more replies like Evasives who make no sense >.>;. As for people relying on it they will soon realize that this card is still pretty effetive - I for one rely on Randgris its a 1% chance to cast a spell that will have an effect to land at .4% ? It is a risk that I take.

This isn't a movie that a like its a joke that is funny!!!! LOL this is definately a rant XPPPPPP OH MAN OH GOD OH MAN OH GOD!!!!! I mean what horrible line reading?

Well I appreciate the work that both you and MAC have done, Leni; I just hate seeing people shitting out about it Lol. And yes a Tye-Dye Emp Aura Would be cool some what :D

We aren't asking to get rid of the ard that would be ridiculous but the simple fact that 10% is a huge amount! And to whoever said FCP is for pros not everyone can dualbox to get FCP and not everyone has friends that can just simply FCP them. RSX would still be a valid ddefence from this but there are others strategy to use and the fact that the rate is so high throws all those strategies into the trash :/ Evasive: I have no idea what you said and you have made no sense :/ I hate seeing all these onclusions without a good Premise, so sorrow I want to thank you for giving a premise to your conclusion but it still didn't fully support the idea that "Nerfing is useless"- The fact that "sacrificing one slot they could've used for upgrade their damage." Isn't really supported beause the sacrifice will still be there because this card will still be effetive its just it will give the people who choose to fight without RSX or FCP a chance to win. A fair fight is a fight that both people have a chance to win and this would simply make the fight more fair. I fight people WS all the time and sure I can afford to have a box with FCP but I don't always go in with FCP and then I run into some nab who hits me once and my armor is off? I just think the rate needs to be lower, this won't lower the price it will just lower the effiency and it will truly make the WS card a sacrifice. Like I make a sarifice when I put Randragis card on my dagger because .4% chance is a small chance to land but its a true risk I'm willing to take but someone puts WS on then they know the will beat someone who doesn't have FCP on....Sorry 10% just doesn't make sense to me if someone is hitting at 195 ASPD...

I agree >.> The Golden Rule is so plain and simple :/ I appreciate both of their work >.>;

Honestly that was a joke I was just trying to shed a bit of laughter on this whole Emp Aura thing. It is kind of sad honestly seeing how people get into fights about colors. I mean if you think about it MAC has been hurt and Leni has been thrown around as well. I mean they are just colors not that we should send a billion QQs down peoples throats :/. I think we should just all live with :D

I agree the Edge Comas plenty of times ~.~. Another Valid point. ^^ And trust me Armor Breaking is definitely something that can change the sway of the battle easily. Not everyone has FCP either, This may however Discourage TSS Breaking~

I agree sometimes I feel without the use of the caps lock key people just won't simply read what I have to saw >.>;

In a more vulgar way Dreams has made his point clear as well lol >.>;