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That was my support to the idea suggested :3

Quoted for epic truth within the words. Besides on Low rates there's a Build centered around Magnus Exorcismus in which priests become very much like wizzards so yeah, they also were made to cast and cause magic damage. They can also use staffs and some staffs were made by the church. So why not Matck+ weapon too?

Seriously, "Priests weren't supposed to battle" no one needs support in here, the environment changes, so need to do those in it otherwise they die. it's like...Darwin's Laws...XD And this is exactly what happens to priests here. If Yggdrasil berries are WAY better than Heal and Sanctuary, Buffs are like...+10(yay! +10 STR is going to hurt SO much when your weapons isn't even fit to battle) and the exorcism skills don't work on players(not that GTB couldn't make them return to their previous state). This screws priests over. This is the problem of having skills fixed to low rate parameters, at least if they made the supporting worthy. Like, if Buffs were trippled they would be worthy enough(Yes Trippled, since Max stat in Low rate is 99 and max here is 300, +10 is like 10% of 99 with means that 10% of 300 would be like +30) No comment on the elite weapon other than it sux plainly just like elite professor's book, good thing we get staffs as well.

1.Could help, athough it's more convenient in places that are actually visited...like prontera. 2.There are guides in the foruns for everything you need to know, asking around can also give you answers as well as possible friends :3 3.To my thinking, they're fine as is...the server is pretty easy to get used to, making that could spoil the little adventure we get here XD 4.Again, to my thinking every data here is useful, either for knowledge in a certain matter, knowing members, read about subjects, and many more applications. 5.This one was suggested a couple(lot) of times, it's just not useful to the GMs, might cause too much problem to them. 6.Let's wait for the classes to come out. Changing sprites would mess the classes up. 7.If it was based off in a new account maybe, but new characters, it is perfectly fine as is...10k starting money woohoo...if only they gave this on low rates...

There used to be one at Payon...payon 140 151...i used it once, but i just went there in game and it is kinda...gone...

Alright i got it. Basically, waterball will become suicide if used against someone who has high reflect spell rate. i say it doesn't sound overpowered to have a skill that kills the user after all...

Nice one XD Since you tested already, when it is used on maya, each ball has a 50% chance returning or is it the whole blast that has the chance?(like one chance of returning 25 spheres, or 25 chances of returning 1 sphere? =P)

i'm not saying that HD and Bolts can't kill people...but do you think a sinx will really stop before you wide open so you can hit him/her with single targeted spells or stop in the same place and not Backslide/Walk out of a MS/HD's area? 25% reduction isn't that much...but it gives survival time, exactly what a sinx needs to kill someone with far less HP than him/her. Being at similar conditions, only a very bad/umprepared player is killed by a wizzard so easily.

...if you're Holy property and use leafring+aquaring in a cloak, any wizzard is pretty much screwed. After all, wizards can't cause shadow damage at all...Wind property is also a great option for it awfully reducts the damage property of a wiz's main weapons as heaven's drive isn't much of a threat. If a wizzard starts Safety Walling on my attacks...i Destroy his Soul ^^ For quagmire, a quick Backslide resolves the matter. Sinx are pratically made to kill wizzards if geared right.

i got what you meant and likewise, you can't reflect physical damage totally(in like you get no damage at all as you opponent receives it back) like it is with maya. So, counters to magic are so much more efficient than those for physical attacks.

a quick, easy to get, elemental gear makes any wizzard deal pretty acceptable damage even at 20k+ matack...and yeah i've met full nuker wizzards before...they're so easy to drop :3 If Eddga didn't reduce HP, wizzards would be child's play even without GTB. Another fact of water ball; hide/cloak and it stops...you can't also put on a shield to reflect the whole damage caused from a physical attack as well, physical reflect isn't exactly 'reflect' is it more like...'share'

What's kinda disapointing is that these jobs were to be released in the first half of 2008...it's 2009 and we're getting only teasers about skills XD

Why is it that people think that no GTB vs Wiz is instant kill? Oh yeah...maybe those whores with double tao+double deviling would have such problem. i die if i sonic blow someone with OL. Sinx posses a great skill that's quite understimated here...Soul Destroyer.

1.Good idea. Going back during the extensive browzing to get back to a collor you liked would be great help. But while it doesn't happen, check the number of the palette you just saw and liked in the dialogue box, try to set this number in the other of the stylist's options("i know what i want"). 2.This idea would be good as well, but would only be pratical if the NPC identified ALL your unidentified itens in one go. Wouldn't mind a small fee in zenny for it. 3.No way. Yggdrasil berries are survival in here, FCP is "caprice" and is already pretty annoying as is(being a spellcaster i NEED to strip a damn shield in order to try and win), i would certainly hate if FCP gotten even easier to obtain, paying 3 coupons for 100 bottles is already a very fair price to them. 4.Could be a good idea also, only problem would be deal with 9 slots full of chars and you want to delete a particular one to make one you're going to try next and have to wait 3 days to be able to do it but wells, could be great help in hacking cazes.

What makes their complaining even more noobish gibberish, there's a way to counter coma, they fallen for it cause they were careless...

Not me, i almost feel like clothing is part of my body...sometimes i even bath with my clothing. Besides it's cold here, but it's summer...my country is going crazy.

Coma is fun, the noob is whover gets comaed and complains, complaining about being killed is for noobs...i get killed all the time...i just respawn and go there again.

Like-wise :3 But located after my post and no quote it felt like it was...It's a releave tho...could i ask you to express yourself a bit better next time? It would help immensely undertanding who you're talking to ^^" Now that that is clear, where were we? Oh yeah waterball... Frillybum, apparently, in here people are just lame and preffer to not give magic classes even a chance to have fun on pvp. That was proposed, voted for and rejected(by the difference of miserable 3(yeah...Three) votes) unfortunatelly. And this issue is generating ideas such as these...waterball without water catalyst...yay...

i liked the ghost skills...i only hope Sorcerers gets skills(and concept) as cool as these. Sages are underpowered compared to wizzards, professors and high wizzards are quite equivalent, i thus hope that they keep them equivalent. We...need to do something about GTB to welcome the Warlocks and Sorcerers :3

Chuck Norris and SuperMan made a friendly match of armwrestling. The bet was that whover lose, would have to use underwear over the pants during action... Icarus take care...such phrases can be considered herezy T.T Chuck Norris already died, But Death is afraid to come and tell/take him...

Yeah 25 coupons and you destroy the essence of 3+ jobs, buy one and be happy. You can even call every spellcaster "noob" when they die because they can't do nothing against you :3 My, My, you really should learn how to recognize allies. If my words kind of sounded like your ideal, it merely means we share similar sightspots, no need to feel out-smarted by what i said...no one is "trying" to be a genius here... These "fights" aren't exclusively yours as well, don't understimate others, for if we manage to give magic classes the respect we deserve it'll be as a community, and not for the separate actions of individual X or Y. Or maybe not, who knows...Genesis would be able to do it alone though... Only poor players are defeated by magic users simply because they don't use GTB. i've beaten most wizzards i've met with my katar sinx. So true...

For some reason in the internet, there's no such thing as controled flame, if it starts it ends on insults and low words sooner or later, usually sooner.

Kinda entertaining watch a simple converstion take such..."interesting" ways ^^"

i've read the thread...to be precise, i've also voiced my sightspot earlier in october, when the thread was started in fact. Hasn't changed ^^" We need a fair solution to this old problem, and when, somehow, magic start to work right, people will complain that waterball is too overpowered. As much as i agree that small treats can be quite pleasing as well, a big problem claim for a big solution. This suggestion is no different from the one that said "give coma to high wizzards!", in the end it hits the same wall, it's just not pratical. After all, if my magic isn't working, why don't i try to coma the full str, 195 aspd and EDPed sinx? Yeah...instant win... But in the end...i'm not against it if it were to happen...i'm just stating the "obvious"...it's useless ^^"