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How about, there is a minimum requirement to enter gvg. Seeing as there already exists an event where anyone can join and kill, ie: LMS, then why not set more stringent rules for GVG. For example, Each guild must have a minimum amount of players. Along with this we could even go as far to say a Maximum amount cannot be exceeded either. This would kind of force even odds for each guild. Guilds would then Choose their best men wisely, and inversly would make a greater effort to gather more members to be able to qualify to play GVG. Not many will agree with this, however i believe something along these lines would be interesting.

There are a lot of good points comming out of this thread, even from the "againsts". I agree with cirrus in that, take something to give something with regards to LK itself and not the weapon. So fair enough take weight from LK to make him have less stuff, if it means the Weapon will get some advantage. I do not think that damage of the weapon really needs changing, as it is its workable, but the weapon itself lacks, compared to other weapons in a pvp environment. I hardly think dispell triggered by mele attacks at a lower rate than valk is anything to be considered "insane". Simply because to be honest, if one were to put valk and 3 tgs into his wep, his damage is practically the same as with 3 tgs and 1 sekll. This has been tested. So if giving the weapon a dispell effect at a lower rate than valk to begin with is insane, then you should also argue that using a valk card is insane aswell; BECAUSE THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. IF no is said to dispell at 5% by mele, then fine LKs will just use valk card, get 10% instead of 5%, get 10% physical damage aswell, and their damage is hardly compramised, which is better off no ? which is why dispell was even suggested to begin with simply because it gives no real advantage. But at least its something that the players may appreciate and make GOOD use of. Som you said they make you use yggs more than they use.. Hmm im not too sure about that one to be honest. Which is why i can agree with cirrus in take make LK have it hard to carry equips/yggs, but along with that an improvement in their ability. So nothing is wrong with taking to give. One more thing, about the sp increase, what is 250 more sp without FBH, its kind of insulting dont you think, because that is hardly useful, i would think an sp increase like that would be more useful after 2 fbhs are equipted. This brings me back to an original point that LKs spam more consumables for the sake of spamming their skills. Just as how you People love to say(especially you XTOPHER) change your gear / weapon , change your style to fight if you damage isnt working for you and so forth, DO NOT complain about lks spam of spiral / any other attack / damage. Because as Masahiro rightfully said, slap on a puppet, do something. YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR GEAR TOO, NOT ONLY LKS.

@Xtopher you have to be a very interesting person to say what you have just said. First of all, how many spirals can you do in 1 second, vs how many tss/double strafe/other skills you can do in 1 second. BTW i said dispel from mele, not using spiral. plus DISPEL WONT PROC IF YOU SPIRAL IN ANY CASE. IF you were to track the amount of damage done per second with spiral vs other classes dominant skills you would see a major difference. Please dont even come with this (11-12 k total) crap, because the speed your are actually doing "12k" is nothing significant. PLEASE LIST ALL ADVANTAGES LKS HAVE, I would love to know. You may have an LK and the weapon, BUT THAT HARDLY SAYS ANYTHING. YES you can run around and "kill ppl" KILL WHO, NOOBS ? yes sure i can too. Dont take merit in killing lesser geared people who are not even significant when we are speaking in the grand scheme of things. In fact i find it very insulting that you are going to talk about killing people, be real buddy. Also have you over looked my point ? The damage difference with valk and no valk is so minimal, its not providing any great advantage having dispell built into the weapon. So why not give the weapon something like that at least, if not a dmg buff. We are not asking for hax damage, simply something interesting and additional to the LK weapon, this is all part of the balancing process. The LK weapon needs tweaking still. AND ABOUT THE REDUCTIONS !!! Using champ is a bad example BUDDY, why? Because they themselves have their own issues. EVEN GROXY DRANK had to agree and say that his tss did more damage than the spiral with full reducts. and when you check the dps, its SIGNIFICANTY higher. But even on a regular pvp basis, we are not speakign about full reducts, even regular damage is hardly denting anyones hp in time to kill them. OF COURSE FULL REDUCTS = BAD DAMAGE, we know this but if you would read and try to understand rather than DISAGREE without HARD FACTS you would know that comparable to other classes the dps of lk is bad. NO ONE IS GOING TO ATTACK SUMONE WITH FULL REDUCTS, its was used as a comparison. Im a sniper and my Focused arrow hits so hard even with full reducts , and then my bow has strip if things get hard . What do lks have: nothing like that, why not give them something.. Xtopher you seem too biased in your opinions, perhaps you are too narrow minded, you should play LK more rather than say silly things: "i kill people" "the damage is fine", any hardcore LK player would know thats false. Go ahead and FRAPS yoruself killing Nublets, that hardly says anything. OVER VIEW: >Reductions kill damage yes we are aware. However the damage done compared to other classes is bad which says something. >The LKS DPS kinda sucks compared to other classes VS well geared players which is what matters. >Did i say DPS, yeah DPS... >LIST OF ADVANTAGES PENDING. Courtesy Xtopher Xtohper while i have read you post, and thanks for you input, you have yet to provide any sort of information/facts as to what advantages LKs have that other classes DO NOT, as well as, all you have said was "i disagree" "the damage is fine" "i kill people" "why are people trying to give lks advantages when they already have" How about explaining these things ? cause im sure we would all love to hear.

Thanks for the confirmed FACTS. This just reinforces the view of this post even further that the LK weapon needs adjusting, and i dont want to hear that "IT HAS BEEN" because as we can see at this current state this weapon is weak 113% instead of 100% dispel cast from mele at 6 - 8 % This would be appropriate. WE have tried to live with the current state of the weapon and have tried NUMEROUS options to increase damage, hokage hat/consumables like lunch box + tequila etc, trying different cards, builds. Almost everything has been done to try and work with what has been given to us. /\ THAT /\ Hasn't helped anything, it all came down to doing pitiful damage, and wasting yggs just to survive. I would just LOVE to see some hard FACTS opposing this suggestion. Maybe someone should show us some proof that the LK and its weapon is just fine as it is. Good luck with that, not just me but others who have yet to post know everything about lk, so please enlighten us with your views of disapproval. +3

Point of this post This whole thing started when the lk weapon was nerfed. 200% spiral damage changed to 100% Coma Nerfed There was an original post where people wanted the % to be increased to 150%. Though i disagree with that particular suggestion i do agree with buffing the weapon. While some may jump on the bandwagon an will be quick to disagree with this lets weigh the options. As LK stands, yeah like with any class it can kill people who are undergeared, lack yggs, or are just plain noobs. An LK as it stands will catch its (for a lack of better words) ass to kill a champ, clown, sniper, SUPER NOVICE, and YEAH it can tank but no better than any other class thanks to the TAO GUNKA card with its specific card bonuses pertaining to all the classes. Many people love to argue that how LKs survive LONG and can tank and BLAH BLAH BLAH, wrong, they are no diffrent from any other class. Yes classes have their particular advantages and disadvantages, and some may say spiral and bb if pnuema and spear stab, while that is all well and good, their damage and ability to spam is hindered and will hardly give an equally geared class a beating. DO NOT COMMENT AND SAY THAT Bowling Bash can be spammed if someone is against a wall becasue that is very untrue. Spam clicking and ygging will save that person and as soon as they veer away fom that wall they are knoced away from it. Besides whos going to let sumone BB them so much that they get pushed against a wall, that is hardly likely to happen. The spiral damage has been compromised due to the recent changes in the LK weapon, and it will hardly KILL anyone properly geared person, not to mention that move can be countered easily. So as the LK stands it is no better but in fact worse that msot classes. Dont say they have high hp and blah blah. The point of this all is to reinforce the view expressed by this topic. So yes, add dispell to the weapon. WHY NOT : tg tg tg skel = avg 7000 dmg valk tg tg tg = avg 6500 dmg (This was thoroughly tested) WOW big damage diffrence. So if you see your self to disagree, then consider something else, but do not disagree just to be a jerk. Though i find this a very reasonable suggestion so if you disagree you need to unlock those mental chains of yours. (speaking to the community not the gms.) LK WEAPON : Needs an edge. As it is, its dull. Maybe its best if the REAL LK PLAYERS were to post here and not other people who think they can understand what others are going through without thoroughly playing with LK.

@supeream "you must not see the kill steaks, no dual wield shot guns, different perks, no riot shield, and smoother frame rates. silencer seems pointless to me. u can still here someone shooting at u. you really dont need one as long as u dont plan on camping, even with that they will find u soon." 1. You CAN duel wield the last shot gun in the list. 2. More or less the same perks, minus stopping power, plus some newer perks. 3. No riot shield, but it doesnt make a diffrence. Riot shields were fun imo. 4. About the frame rates. Not really anything diffrent. MW2 was smoother imo. 5. Silencer makes a big difference. It doesnt matter if they hear your shots, you wont be on the radar. I rather infiltrate enemy spawns, and take out enemies, leaving the others clueless. The moment i play with out a suppressor, i am attacked more from all directions because im usually around enemies by myself with no one to cover my ass, if i am the only red dot, surrounded many green arrows on the enemy radar, its hardly likely that i wont be hunted down. It really depends on the game mode and the map. Some maps i would just use a reflex sight etc. Other than that, I always use a silencer, it makes difference. Heres what i dislike about Black Ops: Lag. Way more Lag than Infinity Ward's COD series. Its terrible. In black ops it requires you to Lead your shots way too much. You would have your sight perfectly over someone, yet no hit markers at all. The game is fail, and people camp way harder now. (Motion Sensors) Sprayers win, thats fail too. The guns are hardly impressive. The game is vertically challenged. Some objects clearly appear climbable/jump over able, but you tend to find out its not in the middle of a gun fight costing you your life. diving is pointless, unless being an ass having fun dying. Anyway, all in all, my main concern is, Treyarch created this game, hence its online failness. Honestly, why did i buy black ops. If Infinity Ward is the inventor, creator, and developer of Call of Duty to begin with, since COD1, COD2, MW1, MW2, how can Treyarch make COD better than them, they cant. The only thing that is great about any Treyarch COD is, Zombies in WAW and BLACK OPS. Its really fun. other than that. xboxlive and psn, and steam Black Ops = Shit. Horrible Dynamics. 3/5. COD4 MW has the best campaign story line, and to me even the online mp in that game is still damn fun. MW2 online again is impressive. Your bullets actually hit.. Not that im bad at Black Ops. I have a consistent positive K/D (1.5 nothing too impressive but its good) and a near 20% accuracy which is considered good btw. Sometimes i get scores like 29 : 4 k/d. Black Ops is frustrating, and i tend to gain stress rather than relieve it like i do when i play MW2. BTW getting weapons and perks and attachments and camos are way too easy in black ops. You should have to earn your attachments especially like in MW.

@Nataly You disagree ? how about elaborating. Its annoying when people just post "Disagree" etc. Why not explain why. Do you know what you are disagreeing to ? As Gen(2011) stated, "bandwagon", that's what it appears to be what you guys do a lot.

its very easy to script parameters for the weapon to check if fbh is equipted, to then give a sp increase afterwards. @supream: i used to spam focused arrow all day with dracula card man while still doing good damage.. it was my ability to continuously spam without wasting yggs that made me have the edge in some duels.

i completely disagree. Making it unbreakable is rediculous. Its perfect as it is... 7% refelct etc.. man no need to add more op stuff.

i say 40 str. and slightyly more aspd, nothing much. and make it unrefinable :D

no i still think the % bonus on spiral could be improved. as it stands, 7000 seems to be the peak damage(approximately). At least improve what ever % its currently at by 10% or something. do something at least.

yeah and the refund will be 75% of what was spent, that way it would be kind of fair.

increase the weight of the spear :D

i agree to dis agree

i dis agree

i dis agree

nooo too op i disagree

i disagree; play another class

i dont agree; i likw thw rop as is, keep the belt econ, and no ty

i disagree; d war card

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use ms paint >D

lolol yeh i was adam you were steve

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understand ryuks perspective and read the rules. it clearly states if you even try to hide abuse with selling or buying tags eg: S> apple [1k] you fail player x that is still abuse regardless if it is a joke or not. its against the rules so DONT DO IT simple do dont get angry when you deliberately do something. the point is ryuk doesnt even have to lay it easy. the rules are there and first offence is insta 5 hr ban. you abusing it is taking a risk of your own maybe you should have saved your comment for after woe. god told adam and eve dont eat the forbidden fruit , yet still they did it but they took their ban, insta, perma, ban lol from the garden of eden.. just from eating the fruit... why ? disobediance.