Levis Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 I don't think so. Because let me tell you, we've got like 10 max Europeans in the guild. And 10 is maybe too much. I got different opinions about this. Yes & No. So [GM]Genesis still decides what's the best. Our currently problem is we need more Donater. Donater = More people = More Voting & Advertising.
Yusuke Posted December 4, 2008 Author Report Posted December 4, 2008 I second that. Also, if a European WoE will be implemented, don't change the times of the regular WoE hours, that's fine as it is (unless a North American objects :P) In addition, I really wonder how many people would participate in the European WoE. In other words, are they enough people to make it count. Logistically there would have to be at least two "European" WoE guilds with at least 5 people each participating. If not they get a monopoly. But that presents another unfairness. Right now, woe drops (primarily rucksacks and auras) are rare and there are so many American players who woe, and you are lucky if you even get a drop. How is it fair if 15-20 people particiapte in European WoE, and now woe drops are more available because of their numbers. That is not acceptable. If anything, reduce the drop rate in the European castle, or take out those drops. Nothing is ever completely fair. And take into account this is an American Server. No flaming but you know you are being racist right now to all of the other nations that aren't in america? LOL , you say it is an american server , and european shouldn't get items or by lower rate, if people will see that and really take it serious, half of ther server will leave due to this saying of a GM! then it will sure be an american server only.
Genesis Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 How is pointing out the fact that we have 240 people on during Euro/Asian time zones and 495 during American WoE Time being racist?
Yusuke Posted December 4, 2008 Author Report Posted December 4, 2008 How is pointing out the fact that we have 240 people on during Euro/Asian time zones and 495 during American WoE Time being racist? That Americans are getting stuff that Europeans will never get, and Devo says it should be like that, if it's an American server, and not equal between everyone , just say so to everyone in the server. We need a balanced server between nations as well, not that US get more than Europeans. Seriously, just left to say whoever isn't an american, please leave the server! because you won't get what the americans get so what's the point of playing here if you can't be the best anyways because you can't get what the americans get.
Advent Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 That Americans are getting stuff that Europeans will never get, and Devo says it should be like that, if it's an American server, and not equal between everyone , just say so to everyone in the server. We need a balanced server between nations as well, not that US get more than Europeans. Seriously, just left to say whoever isn't an american, please leave the server! because you won't get what the americans get so what's the point of playing here if you can't be the best anyways because you can't get what the americans get. Man I know why you're ranting like a whore because you dont have any castle drops :/. How come I live in Asia and I got mostly all of the castle drops and the place where you live at is not an important reason for you to say that ohhh there should be a woe at my country time so I can get woe drops.
Anarii Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 more chances for me to get a drop, sure.
Kayleigh Posted December 4, 2008 Report Posted December 4, 2008 In my opinion a little time change would be fair. Let's say a 2-3 hour difference. Personally, I live in Germany and WoE is at 2 am for me which sucks during the week and I can't attend it then, same with GvG (starts at 12 pm). However, people shouldn't get racist because of this o.O I mean it actually really is an American server and there has to be some fixed time for WoE/GvG. Anyway I still hope there will be a small change =/
Cirrus Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 I'm Asian, just lucky enough to get a good time zone 13 hours ahead of the server time. It really isn't a big problem on the 2 sides of the world. But yeah people in the middle will have a hard time. But y so srs? Before DST I had to wake up very early (which I hate) just to WoE, but I had fun. I understand people who's WoE time ranged from 1-5am, but yeah, this is a US based server, it's not their fault that Europeans/Asians play, and it certainly isn't their fault that I need to sleep and wake up early just so I could have fun & WoE/GvG. Every little change to the original WoE/GvG times will affect every player living in a different part of the world.
Hrist Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 Before getting on about having a "Euro/Asian WOE", I'd like to point out possible scenarios first. First off, should the WOE time be moved from its current time, Asian players would be forced to wake up even earlier just to catch up. The normal WOE time for Asian timezones is somewhere along 8-9am/9-10am, which is a pain because of school and work schedules. Second, due to the 12 hour difference of Asian countries compared to America, how could one be so sure that it would be an Asian/Euro WOE time? What possible time would be suggested to support this? From what I'm seeing, only Euro timezones has been given. Enlighten me please. If you're going to suggest a possible time for a true Asian/Euro WOE, make sure you include the equivalent Asian time. If not, people would begin to think that there's another motive behind this. Not lashing my saber to anyone's chest, but I'm just speaking my most honest opinion in this matter. Although despite all that, I'd still would find a multi-timezone WOE very interesting. I don't think it is enough to say that you can't have another WOE just because the other half of the world is asleep. What about those who don't sleep or at least cut their normal sleep time just to be able to attend an important in-game event? They support the server just as much as the others right? Equality for all, correct? If you don't want your castles to be left undefended, then sacrifice some sleep too. After all, its just 240 people. How bad could it be? If not, more activity right? That's just a random thought. But then again, what could you grant to someone who refuses to fight and just hunt MVPs all day? I mean, if they're so adamant about it, then shouldn't they be a top-ranked fighter in this server at least? I could not believe someone who doesn't fight would ask people to stop supporting this game we all love. Touché my friend, touché. Make a proper suggestion first, one that would not seem ridiculous to others.
Levis Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 Man I know why you're ranting like a whore because you dont have any castle drops :/. How come I live in Asia and I got mostly all of the castle drops and the place where you live at is not an important reason for you to say that ohhh there should be a woe at my country time so I can get woe drops. Okay, dude I can give you one reason why you got WoE Drops and he not. Because YOU DON'T HAVE A LIFE LIKE US! This is serious and not a little Joke. So if you wanna talk shit then tell it someone else. The fact is we aren't able to play at 2 AM or later. Because I HAVE A LIFE! And I take my life how it is. I am most of the time instant. School, friends etc are more important as being on at 2 AM or something what you mean with your post.
Yusuke Posted December 5, 2008 Author Report Posted December 5, 2008 Okay, dude I can give you one reason why you got WoE Drops and he not. Because YOU DON'T HAVE A LIFE LIKE US! This is serious and not a little Joke. So if you wanna talk shit then tell it someone else. The fact is we aren't able to play at 2 AM or later. Because I HAVE A LIFE! And I take my life how it is. I am most of the time instant. School, friends etc are more important as being on at 2 AM or something what you mean with your post. Your right, we do have life, also you forgot that for us woe is in 2AM, while for asians it is on mornings which is way more comfortable than the middle of the night.
Devotion Posted December 19, 2008 Report Posted December 19, 2008 No flaming but you know you are being racist right now to all of the other nations that aren't in america? LOL , you say it is an american server , and european shouldn't get items or by lower rate, if people will see that and really take it serious, half of ther server will leave due to this saying of a GM! then it will sure be an american server only. So I'm racist against my own lineage? You completely missed my point. I've said we should try European woe a few times in this thread. What I am against is that woe drops would be more available to Europeans/that-time-zone because of their reduced numbers. And you've called a few staff members racist, and unrightfully so. That needs to stop. Your desire to preserve the server certainly doesn't show in your posts. Okay, dude I can give you one reason why you got WoE Drops and he not. Because YOU DON'T HAVE A LIFE LIKE US! This is serious and not a little Joke. So if you wanna talk shit then tell it someone else. The fact is we aren't able to play at 2 AM or later. Because I HAVE A LIFE! And I take my life how it is. I am most of the time instant. School, friends etc are more important as being on at 2 AM or something what you mean with your post. The bottom line is that we can't please everyone. Our peak hours are during American time, and some players spend more time on the game than others, and some have the luxury of staying up late etc. That is something we cannot control. If you guys want a fair woe, give us a time for Europeans and Asians and Africans and Australians and South Americans, that is good for all countries.
Yusuke Posted December 19, 2008 Author Report Posted December 19, 2008 So I'm racist against my own lineage? You completely missed my point. I've said we should try European woe a few times in this thread. What I am against is that woe drops would be more available to Europeans/that-time-zone because of their reduced numbers. And you've called a few staff members racist, and unrightfully so. That needs to stop. Your desire to preserve the server certainly doesn't show in your posts. The bottom line is that we can't please everyone. Our peak hours are during American time, and some players spend more time on the game than others, and some have the luxury of staying up late etc. That is something we cannot control. If you guys want a fair woe, give us a time for Europeans and Asians and Africans and Australians and South Americans, that is good for all countries. Fine, I will find a time, just don't complain later if someone doesn't like it. And yea if you don't want european and asian people to get woe drops so make it as following: Take all the woe drops now and divide them to american woe and european/asian woe. This way it will be fair for everyone and everyone will get special items, without ruining the rarity of items.
Defiance Posted December 19, 2008 Report Posted December 19, 2008 Fine, I will find a time, just don't complain later if someone doesn't like it. And yea if you don't want european and asian people to get woe drops so make it as following: Take all the woe drops now and divide them to american woe and european/asian woe. This way it will be fair for everyone and everyone will get special items, without ruining the rarity of items. You're supposed to find a time that everyone will like, since you're so adamant about it. Find a time that everyone will agree on, not just yourself. And about the WOE drops, its either you make your own guild or join one. The castles are there to stay and you just have to take it by force. No need for further divisions.
Levis Posted December 19, 2008 Report Posted December 19, 2008 I can't agree with Hrist. You said that they support more the server. My answer is a Big NO, because just being on for WoE doesn't mean that they support. I support the server with my Help and not with playing a really important Event on fRO. Correct me if I am mistaken, but you've said that only 240 people more or less could WoE in the Euro/Asian WoE. There isn't any problem. I was laughing my ass off when I read that, because you aren't so long on this server as I do. And as I remember we had max. 50 people online for WoE. And I was almost every WoE online. And it worked fine. Just ask Genesis yourself, he played with us all. And you are against the WoE? I got seperate opinions. And you are now asking yourself how comes that I WoE'd and now not, right? The reason was I hadn't to work hard for school at that time. And I played secret WoE while my parents sleeping. And I had way more fun with this secret playing and all my friends were on the American Time Zone. And at that time I was the one of the first Eurpeans playing this server. I am not saying the first one, because I could be mistaken but I am sure I was one of the first.
Hrist Posted December 19, 2008 Report Posted December 19, 2008 "I could not believe someone who doesn't fight would ask people to stop supporting this game we all love." In response to Yusuke's "Seriously, just left to say whoever isn't an american, please leave the server!" To ask the people to stop supporting the server just because he didn't get what he wanted (pertaining to Yusuke), is unfair. He doesn't PvP, not sure if he GvG's, but I never see him in PvP at all. So what grounds does he have to start asking people to stop playing this server? The idea of "Not attending WOE = not supporting" isn't the same with the one presented above. We all support the server in every way. Does that answer your question Levis? I just find it unfair that he isn't even a top-ranked fighter here in Forsaken, yet he asks us to leave this server.
Levis Posted December 19, 2008 Report Posted December 19, 2008 "I could not believe someone who doesn't fight would ask people to stop supporting this game we all love." In response to Yusuke's "Seriously, just left to say whoever isn't an american, please leave the server!" To ask the people to stop supporting the server just because he didn't get what he wanted (pertaining to Yusuke), is unfair. He doesn't PvP, not sure if he GvG's, but I never see him in PvP at all. So what grounds does he have to start asking people to stop playing this server? The idea of "Not attending WOE = not supporting" isn't the same with the one presented above. We all support the server in every way. Does that answer your question Levis? I just find it unfair that he isn't even a top-ranked fighter here in Forsaken, yet he asks us to leave this server. No, because who told you he doesn't PvP? Ever thought of that he got other Classes as Yusuke Yurameshi? How you want to argue that he doesn't PvP? And you live in another time zone, that means you can even really see him. How about that he play while you are at school/work/bordello. Do you think I am "a top-ranked fighter"? Just answer this question. Also argueing with 2 Accounts in forum on the same topic doesn't chance my mind. You substitute 2 different opinions that's called not belieaveable. I played a German server once with WoE at 9 or 10am my time (GMT-06:00). Let's see, Germany is GMT+01:00 (correct me if I'm wrong), meaning that that would have been 4-5pm their time? Okay. So, that means that Americans would have to wake up somewhat early, but that's doable (allowing that they don't have school or work). Now where do Asians factor in? I think the bottom line here is that there is not one time that will satisfy every time zone, nor two that will do that either. The world is 24 hours around and there will always be someone that needs to sleep, work, or go to school. That's just how things are, do NOT confuse it with racism or selecting Americans over Europeans or Asians. Sure, it's easy to say "that's racist!" because because someone who is satisfied with the current WoE times disagrees with you and you're not getting what you want, but it's completely unfair to those people who have actually put thought into this and considered the server as a whole and the effects that the new times could have. First of all Hi Athena =). That was a bit different, because WoE is at 9-10AM (morning) and that woudn't be my problem if it were at 9-10AM I would be super happy. For us it's at 2 AM, most of the time I am Out with friends, watching TV (because my parents don't let me play at 2 Am, they think I am crazy or something. And even Ragnarok looks for everyone like a Game for Kids. It's a bit true, but we don't play it because the graphic we play it because of the gameplay / handling. This isn't offending anyone. This is just called Burned.
Hrist Posted December 19, 2008 Report Posted December 19, 2008 Switching accounts has its reasons. I can only say things in this account as a server player, and different story in another. I come to you as a player, and not whatever. Yes my brain got vacuums, and I'm willing to bet Yusuke doesn't PvP for shit. I consider you as a top-ranked fighter, and I'm willing to take you on anytime and any place. I do not aim to change your mind. I do not feel the need to do so. You're here to exchange point of views, not to mock each other's statements. First off, Yusuke asked the people to stop supporting the server just because he was denied of his first try. Do you think I'd like that? Do you think people like that kind of attitude? Of course not. And honestly, how many times you see Yusuke in PvP? I come in at irregular hours you know, so you can't fool me. I come in at 6 AM my time, log off a few hours later after 12 then come back at 3 PM my time then log back out at 3 AM my time. I see you, I see every single person who steps into PvP and challenges me. You don't have the right to judge me, but I do have the right to do so, provided that he challenged the server itself. He should just ask nicely instead of wailing like a little baby on everyone. I asked him to provide an answer right? I asked him twice to provide a time worthy of his liking and everyone else's. Is that so bad? Did I disagree to having another WOE timezone? I did not. I did not prohibit anyone from making this thread go forward. I just cannot take that kind of attitude from someone who hasn't even downed me once, especially Yusuke. Burn? Not really. Comprende?
Levis Posted December 19, 2008 Report Posted December 19, 2008 I see. You don't get the point why I am a bit rude to you. He said that you're a racist (I think yous hould know what I mean, so no one should ask when) and I think not, but you were just rude to the people who got another time zone. I got no problems with you regulary, but still you can't even say you I can't judge you, but you did it now on me: You've said that you go on YOUR time zone onloine and check PvP. There are some mistakes I want to show you now. How you can see me in PvP lately? I am rarely in PvP since we've got this room. Then you say you check the PvP room, how comes you wanna know that he isn't there. All over the world we got phenomens. He can join PvP like me, that means rarely and log off. Then how comes you want to know that he isn't in PvP if you don't know his other characters? Either special GM commands (GM lvl to low, only Admins can Head GMs could) or you got uber phenomenal Power and know who everyone is. I guess not that you got one of both, sorry if I am mistaken. And actually we both are argueing on a nice way. And not on a raddical way. That's my feedback between our dispute. Hoping that we both can find a solution. Thank you. Comprende? /gg
Hrist Posted December 19, 2008 Report Posted December 19, 2008 You missed another important point. The times I get on completes the 24 hour time cycle, which means I saw you walking on fcity earlier with gold colors and a solar gold helm. I also catch the night people on which is obviously morning in my time. Of course I knew he wasn't there. If he was there, I would've met him. That's common sense. I am pretty well known as a common PvPer am I not? I am of course updated with info on who's who. Timezone-wise, it doesn't matter which timezone I get on. What matters is that, I cover all timezones. I can go asian shift, US shift, or Euro shift. Round the clock, I am here. And besides, why are you defending him? Shouldn't he be the one questioning me? I am ready for anything. Just keep it coming. I still stand firm to my point. I did not prohibit anyone from doing what they want. I just cannot tolerate that attitude. Its not even your fault to begin with. I am not racist. Its just his narrow-minded point of view. I clearly stated that he should provide a reasonable timezone, and not wail like a little kid. Asking for a server boycott is too much, even if it was a joke.
Devotion Posted December 19, 2008 Report Posted December 19, 2008 I don't care who's got what for brains, the flaming needs to stop. What Hrist is pointing out is that Yusuke is asking for a lot. Yet he calls staff members racist and such, and challenges European players to leave the server so that Fro can be "truly American". We can't take suggestions seriously if this kind of behavior is present. Now, lots of people have been adamant about this topic, we do see that. And no one, and I mean none of us whom you think are against a European woe, are against it. We never said that. We are giving you the scenarios and cons that will come and may come with having European woe. Like I have stated, Like Athena has said, like many have said: we cannot please all of you. If we didn't care, then Genesis would not have been the first one to answer asking you what time is good for you; a question which still hasn't been answered. And Yusuke. I asked you to give me a time for all those countries/continents, because it is impossible to have a time that fits everyone. So you want a European woe. What about Australians? And South Americans, And Africans, and all the other countries that would find European woe time inconvenient. We are trying to please the entire server, after all.
Levis Posted December 19, 2008 Report Posted December 19, 2008 I agree about this that no one should judge about anyone and I am wondering why so many GM's are argueing here also. It's like I am arugeing here to give some impulse. I feel like a Mastermind. I try my best and why I am defending him? I know him long and Hrist, let me tell you that he is 3-4x longer Online as I do. And that could be fate that you saw me sitting in fcity with my Story Hat. (wrong word for it). And I got no opinion about this WoE Time Zone, all confused me. I get now many impressions and impulse to have a talk to you all. It's for me like. I answer -> Next Person argue -> I Answer again -> Another person and so on. So just ask me now directly via MSN, Ingame or Forum for anything.
Yusuke Posted December 19, 2008 Author Report Posted December 19, 2008 Ok back here, Look Hrist one thing is I am not playing 24 hour wise , I got life. Second thing is you aren't updated at all huh? Maybe you should ask your Guild Master if I pvp or not, you just don't know my pvp char and yea I killed many strong pvpers. Next is I don't say europeans need to leave, as Devotion said it before , it sounds like SHE means it. Tell me right now people that are from Africa, I wanna see if there are some (Be serious, don't try to fool me). then I will find a time because I am pretty sure there aren't people from Africa here and if yes, 3 maximum I bet. Yea Devotion is new to the server unlike me and Levis, we know better how woe is going on, we are here longer even than Hrist, We know how woe was here before, with 50 people online there and yea it wasn't so bad, People said they had super fun so now your zone has 400 people online at woe, if we get a woe we will have like 200-250 people. Means 4X times more than long ago, that supposed to be good, it's just that you get used to your time zones so less than 400 people online is not worthy enough anymore to open woe.
dadron3 Posted December 19, 2008 Report Posted December 19, 2008 lala hello, im asian, WOE is something i would love to participate in, and i doubt that there will be any "perfecT" time for all of us, no discrimination, you guys are lucky living in a time zone where u can partipate in woe without too much of a problem, WOE is one of the biggest aspects of RO, and i would like to be a party of it, if we cant have diff castles for people from different time zones thats fine, but can u atleast move it up a few hours, or down a few hours, im sure we can make some adjustments of you can =) there are GM's online all the time, and GvG could be possible hosted twice?, i dont know how it would work, i dont even know if its possible, just a thought, it would be great if change was made to the timings..... or nvm, we can all just sit and chill with athena all day :)
Levis Posted December 19, 2008 Report Posted December 19, 2008 Another aspect of that guy. Anyone of Africa? I think not, but I am going to tunisia in my summer holidays, so I will participate WoE in africa. Sounds cool? Huh I'll be the first african guy who participated a WoE of this server. Then I got two things to be pride of. /gg Yea that's what we try to get nicer WoE times for us all. By the way the northafricans got the same time as some europeans. For example: Tunisia, the land where my parents were from, has GMT +1 also. Wondering? Germany - Tunisia same GMT? Yea it is.
