Idea for High Wizards

[CombatMuffins]

Hey haven't you noticed that it's been months since Genesis announced that he'll balance HW and he's yet to actually do anything useful for them? GTB is out there and so is massive HP. HW are a failure to the PvP rooms, LMS and for_fild01. They have ridiculously low HP and can't damage worth a shit with a dagger, nor can they carry too much berries like any other class. They don't have any real way of creating massive damage unless they use Ifrit Rings / Asura or Magic. But GTB is out there and by the time you could pull an Asura off, you'd be dead or their reflect will kill you (Thank you low HP). As I stated before, hey there are fucking elemental armors and element changing armor cards, learn to fucking use them. I'm still in for this suggestion, it's beautiful and well though. toypuppets I love you.

waterball is really overpowered, and it will be abused with deluge under it and will be stronger, we will see 300 int 2 int belt 2 FBH wizards, forcing every class that decides to woe to use GTB, okay yeah, they have GTB, but now any class that is semi physical strong is going to come in and just drop them instantly, we don't need a woe where GTB is common and everyone uses it 95% of the time. lets say this does get implemented, I believe it will get taken out a few days later, like TSS not being affected by thana, how long did that last. If anything just enter a water spot in woe for waterball. Okay and yeah elemental armors, element cards, they might help but regardless not every person should have to use anti waterball shit all the time because of some stupid ass waterball skill.

[Zero]

Yes, PvP and for_fild 01 have puddles so the skill is overpowered and there's no GTB Card in the server, O.k. Keep living in your little planet and we'll just ignore your comments then. High Wizards are almighty and commonly used like sinx, pally, lk, champ and creator.

MAN, think. THINK.

Are you smoking marijuana?

[CombatMuffins]

Yes, PvP and for_fild 01 have puddles so the skill is overpowered and there's no GTB Card in the server, O.k. Keep living in your little planet and we'll just ignore your comments then. High Wizards are almighty and commonly used like sinx, pally, lk, champ and creator.

MAN, think. THINK.

Are you smoking marijuana?

Here this might help, WOE SUGGESTION NOT PVP\LMS, ITS A WOE SUGGESTION, WAR OF EMPERIUM, NOT PLAYER VERSUS PLAYER OR LAST MAN STANDING.

[Sieg Heart]

@Sieg Heart: I dunno where you're coming from. If you read carefully you'll know what I was saying. As long as GTB is present, every class will have an upper hand over HW. Except Super Novice.

not interested

Here this might help, WOE SUGGESTION NOT PVP\LMS, ITS A WOE SUGGESTION, WAR OF EMPERIUM, NOT PLAYER VERSUS PLAYER OR LAST MAN STANDING.

LOLLOOOOOOLOL

[Ryoji]

@Godrevy: I was provoked.

Agreed.

So theoretically, I could go thread to thread on a different IP on a different account

~Pick Fights on purpose, just to get them to defend themselves

--> Then report them for flaming when they defend themselves

-Flawless Mod Logic- *nod*

Anywho, my point still remains on adding the kettle and changing the script within it.

There's no harm in this at all, and this isn't benefitting the mage class at all...

Btw, Godrevy. You missed cleaning up and deleting all those flames Beserk. did. <333

Good thing you're checking everyone.

[Ryoji]

Good thing you're checking everyone.

Also, if you're going to repeat yourself.

At least contribute to the thread itself. No need to spam.

Or just pm us instead. It might seem a little more professional.

Speaking of the thread.

Why waterball specifically?

That would only help the wiz class, so why not something to help the majority instead?

[toypupetz]

waterball is really overpowered, and it will be abused with deluge under it and will be stronger, we will see 300 int 2 int belt 2 FBH wizards, forcing every class that decides to woe to use GTB, okay yeah, they have GTB, but now any class that is semi physical strong is going to come in and just drop them instantly, we don't need a woe where GTB is common and everyone uses it 95% of the time. lets say this does get implemented, I believe it will get taken out a few days later, like TSS not being affected by thana, how long did that last. If anything just enter a water spot in woe for waterball. Okay and yeah elemental armors, element cards, they might help but regardless not every person should have to use anti waterball shit all the time because of some stupid ass waterball skill.

Ok, just to ask, Does my presence in the early floors of the castle already force players to use a GTB? And doing so, the few champs that hang out in the same area take full advantage of this. So basically I can actually kill you with a waterball that has some power behind it or I can slow you down long enough with Heavens Drive and JT while the champs take care of you. OR you can use your GTB to get by me in which case you'd still get Wooped as you say if a champ gets a hold of you. So basically stating, me using my wiz in WoE creates the scenario of forcing people to wear GTB, How does me having access to Waterball make it any different? JT is just as good, yet it isnt as spammable as Waterball. And on a second note, Even if we get waterball how many wizards do you really think there will be out there? 200 vit and 2 vit belts and barely break 120k hp? Still a super easy target for every class in the game. And CombatMuffins your opinion has been noted and appreciated, lets keep this civil and argue like men not children.

Edit**To Ryoji: reason for waterball in particular is because Mage is my favorite class. I've already asked for a hp mod and other suggestions have been made for coma/w/e it was. My reason for Waterball is because its a very effective mage skill and like I stated before, i rack up 40-75 kills in WoE just because of people either not having or not wearing GTB. Problem I have with this is JT doesnt have as good of a damage output as waterball does and high vit classes like LK and Paladin can take my skills and barely have to use berry's to stay alive. Second reason being Neither castle has a water area for my ability to do it, and getting a professor to actually "SPAM" Deluge just isnt happening(I've tried to get em to do it but they would rather use web/doublecast/firebolt. and I dont blame them, I want kills to.)

[Genesis]

Keep on topic dramalamas. I'm liking toy's as well as a few other's take on this topic by the way.

[toypupetz]

One more added option that may make some people a little happier. Not 100% certain on the amounts(Too lazy to look right now.) But waterball is most effective in I believe a 9x9 Cell of water. The more water the more power. Sooooooo Lets make it a 7x7 or something to that effect If we go with something that will allow you to have a X x X cell of water around you at all times.

[toypupetz]

Bump :blink:

Anybody else have any Idea's or dislikes about this?

[Icon]

One more added option that may make some people a little happier. Not 100% certain on the amounts(Too lazy to look right now.) But waterball is most effective in I believe a 9x9 Cell of water. The more water the more power. Sooooooo Lets make it a 7x7 or something to that effect If we go with something that will allow you to have a X x X cell of water around you at all times.

Dislike this ^. Although it's probably what quelled the resistance.

I guess it depends on how/if this gets implemented. I'd rather have

a full powered waterball at my disposal so I can do as much damage

as possible before I get owned.

/ hp

[Zero]

I like this the first way you suggested it, keeping its power and everything so people would have no other choice but use GTB against HW. oh wait they already do xD

[I3eefCak3]

fuck yay~! this is the best idea someone has had! only a bit above nurffing GTB~ hell yes make wiz's a pvp friendly class!

[toypupetz]

Yes I still like my original idea best, but I added the alternative incase it gets declared to be too overpowered. It can be toned down in increments to find a suitable usage. But I still feel if we get it, it can't be "overpowered" since all you have to do is use GTB or Maya to kill the caster since his hp is far less than yours.

[Zero]

Those pussies. It's not overpowered.

Like you said, they could use GTB or Maya and HW have less HP, not only that but elemental armors since Water Ball will forever remain the same element describe in its name: Water.

[Sorrow]

i'm waiting for a plus for the magic class...as much as this idea seems atractive...i first want a real and efficient change, not a simple "bread and theatre"

[CombatMuffins]

WoE Suggestion, Not PVP\LMS

Guys if you want it for pvp\lms so badly make another topic and stop crying about pvp\lms related stuff here. I won't be able to argue back with everyone in this topic for a few days considering I don't have net right now for a week or so.

On a side note, <3 godrevy and my 40% warn in this one topic.

[Zero]

WoE Suggestion, Not PVP\LMS

Guys if you want it for pvp\lms so badly make another topic and stop crying about pvp\lms related stuff here. I won't be able to argue back with everyone in this topic for a few days considering I don't have net right now for a week or so.

On a side note, <3 godrevy and my 40% warn in this one topic.

It concerns high wizards in general and we'd like this to be used out of WoE too, so why not you make a thread as to why this shouldn't be allowed instead, since every you've posted is in fact QQs about how they'd be supposedly overpowered when already there's a card that nullifies them completely and renders them useless.

[CombatMuffins]

One, don't put words in my mouth I never said it would be overpowered, I just think it would be retarded in WoE. Why give them something like this, when you could give them like, a skill or something relying on int but pierces GTB, but make sure it isn't to strong, just able to do damage decently. Just waterball would fuck WoE pretty decently I would think, and it is a really strong skill though, if you're going to help wizzys, why just make them stronger before GTB? Why not make something that makes them more all around better.

[Zero]

Okay okay, basically there will be quite a few wizzards in emp room doing ridiclous damage, forcing people to put GTB on, then they just get raped by any decent high damage dealing class? Why not make woe that much more difficult for new and up coming guilds trying to break the emp /no1

You admitted that they'd be overpowered.

Why not make them do anything that pierces GTB? Because genesis doesn't feel like helping them so it'll never happen.

Quit crying and use GTB or Maya.

I still vote for yes, you're the only person against this suggestion.

[CombatMuffins]

Relax, the topic has calmed down, I doubt neither one of us needs more warnings. I never said over powered, majority of classes in bulk would do ridiclous damage, I just believe a bunch of waterball spamming wizards would just be really bad for woe.

And you have no right to say Genesis doesn't feel like helping them, he probably doesn't feel like doing a lot of things for fkRO but yet, look at the server, it stays great with new stuff. Look at nlRO it was a great server back in the day and barely anything would ever happen to it, so just be glad we have genesis to do such a great job here.

[Sieg Heart]

seriously dudes.

i agree with this topic, and again we haz gtb anyway /swt

Zero, u cant just say Genesis doesnt feel like helping them,

think bout the coincidence of something that pierces gtb

[CombatMuffins]

I'll settle with this, if its weakened, takes a card out of shield, and can't be stacked with deluge\any other water skill when equiped.

(And only for woe like this topic has been all about)

[toypupetz]

Well I didn't intend for it to be a WoE only Idea. Just added that since its the best place for a wizzy to get kills other than a random run into pvp. Get one kill, then everyone is ready for you next time you come in. So to clarify my statement, I would like to see this as a all around use. Preferably a card that endows a 9x9 cell of water around the caster at all times or something to that effect.

[CombatMuffins]

Oh that changes stuff a bit then. Well I'm still against it, but I hope when you say 9x9 water, it wouldn't show it would be invisible.. o_o