Dispell Suggestion

[Defiance]

I thought Tarot Dispel doesn't pass through GTB? And Tarot breaks FCPed equipment? I know this may sound dumb, but thats the first time I've heard of such, me being always a /effect off tarot guesser.

Anyway, lets all calm down again and discuss matters in an orderly manner.

Please and thank you.

[Ryoji]

30% would actually be a decent rate to agree on. =P

Also, you can have a prof spamming dispell and it might take 1-10 or so Dispells to work.

But sadly, it only takes 1 champ, 1 asura, and you're dead.

If anything I'm saying 50% if you're going to do a penetration "chance"

If you're doing a fcp "chance" I'd say 25%, or at least 10%.

That's still a really really really low chance and even lower if you have gtb. =P

This will encourage more people to not only play profs/other magic classes

But would also highly encourage people to play creators more.

At least, more then the usual lol creators running back and forth on emergency who can't make

any other sort of build other then coma / AD spam LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Then again, I've yet to meet anyone good at alot of classes. =P

Amen

[Shadow Cloner]

Okay, time for me to give a few more words.

Problem #2

For those of you who say things shouldn't be dispelled because it's not logical.

You are still wrong.

Sorrow is still right, because no matter how much you twinkle it up with pixie dust..

It is still a buff.

Besides, Dispell is magic. Magic is almost divine powers at work.

Since when is there a limit on the divine powers when it comes to chemicals vs magic?

Also, isn't Alchemy also known as a form of magic *COUGH* Not to mention that's the FCP class. <3

1. Even if you say it is a buff (whatever the reason) still doesn't change the fact that it's chemical (by Alchemy).

2. The words ALMOST divine powers already told one thing. IT IS NOT DIVINE POWER!!!! Therefore it has limits and barriers.

3. Alchemy and Magic are two different kinds. Magic can use chemicals to produce effects but the way it performed is understandably unknown (other than the fact it usually chanted in nonsensical way). It has some result but it is more of a Mental performance and has close relation to religion. Alchemy on the other hand is the ART OF TRANSFORMING substances into another by THE KNOWLEDGE OF CHEMICHAL PROPERTIES of substances. It has clear items to make, it also has clear items to produced. The 'old' rules of alchemy is weight to weight, which means to produce a pruduct weight 1kg it need 1kg of materials. Close relation to modern pharmacy.

Problem #3

It won't do anything?

zOMG wut?

Wrong again, allowing dispell to pass through will do TONS of things.

Sure if we can't kill you it's only useful in WoE/PartyvsParty and such HOWEVER~!

Tons of classes rely on buffs, know it or not.

Being able to dispell a champ, will keep me from getting one shotted by 200k dmg to my 100k hp. =P

Being able to dispell a sinx, will keep them from going EDP happy with their 32k hits on my face.

It goes on, and on, and on.

Being able to dispell FCP however! THAT IS ANOTHER STORY!

To dispell that wouldn't just be WoE purposes. It would bring pvp back to many classes.

Any class would be able to get rid of FCP, and would be able to strip/break gears.

ANY class. That's right. ANY. Meaning they'd all be the same! Wow! Balance much?

This actually brings a chance to magic classes.

Meaning, if you're not able to stop them from dispelling you.

Be it a spell, tarot, or valk card. And then they strip you before you FCP again.

You almost deserve to have died. =P

This would bring a whole new variety and outlook on pvp and WoE

in such epic standards, even if it is such a tiny request.

Not for me for sure.

As I mentioned, ability for Dispel to pass GTB and clean FCP is just too much.

How that can bring the balance in High Rate Server considering that every characters now have nothing to go with. Remember that strip/break equip is the game of chance. This only means that those with physical attack and high aspd is in benefit. Those who don't have will screwed. (Valk has lvl1 dispel which has low chance).

In High Rate Server, players tends to run on their own compared to go with Party in Low Rate Server. Unless you play GANG this has little benefit anyone other than STALKER the most, as I concern.

Overall, just let it go to Admin and FRO Community. I just predict what will POSSIBLY happen.

I thought Tarot Dispel doesn't pass through GTB? And Tarot breaks FCPed equipment? I know this may sound dumb, but thats the first time I've heard of such, me being always a /effect off tarot guesser.

Anyway, lets all calm down again and discuss matters in an orderly manner.

Please and thank you.

Well, at least you don't have to guess if you got Coma, [GM]Defiance. :lol:

[Ryoji]

As is it right now, magic classes have 0% chance of going past Gtb.

There is also stripping/breaking cards/headgears custom and regular alike.

These can easily be used to solve this situation, as well as some other minor situations in comparison.

However one simple item which is easily achievable can be used and defeat 10 other cards/headgears.

Thus bringing the magic classes small chance of even defending itself back to 0%

With dispell being enabled the chances are still REALLY slim, however possible.

So lets get this straight.

I spam dispell. I can do about 3 dispells in about 5 seconds.

I have a small chance of bypassing your gtb, then even a lower chance of getting rid of your FCP.

I then must run up to you and attempt to melee in order to strip you as fast as I can before you FCP again.

Once stripped I must then out DPS you, and still heal myself faster with less yggs then you because my low str.

Oh, I'm sorry. I just failed all that because I just got Asura/AD/CT/SB/Sac/BB'd IN THE FACE D:<

By classes who can carry 100+ yggs no less.

Also, you watch too much FMA or you're trying to be like Ernest Gary Gygax.

In which case, you need to try harder.

Alchemy and Magic are highly similar, both are of mythological standards.

If it was an item called ULTRA SUPER GLUE, then I'd believe you in the name of basic science.

However you're saying Myth cannot affect a myth, because it's a myth of slight difference.

[HandCock]

so is fcp price going to go up or down if this actually goes somewhere :o sorreee if ish a weird question

[Ryoji]

so is fcp price going to go up or down if this actually goes somewhere :o sorreee if ish a weird question

Up. But it's more likely that people will farm even more, and it'll remain about the same price.

It's still a very easily attainable item.

[wiwi]

jumping to conclusion too fast arent u? most of us are not disagreeing on ur suggestions.

i think what we disagree on is the %.

[Ryoji]

If we're not having it affect FCP I won't acept anything less then 90%.

If it does effect FCP I'd be happy with 50% at lowest, but for getting rid of FCP 5% at lowest. =P

Getting rid of FCP is a bonus, I'd really just like bringing back to neglected class(es).

I think we're all in agreement on rough percentages, however as long as no one disagrees with the suggestion.

Or at least no one has a reason to why this shouldn't be implemented that justifies it.

Then I say Genesis or Zeit critque this quick, justify it, and put it into play.

[Sorrow]

Overall, just let it go to Admin and FRO Community. I just predict what will POSSIBLY happen.

Nah...i don't think this will happen at all, believe me. We've been trying to get some edge for spellcasters for a long time =P i'm here just for the fun of having ideas that could work and no one gives a damn about them and don't want even to try XD

1. Even if you say it is a buff (whatever the reason) still doesn't change the fact that it's chemical (by Alchemy).

2. The words ALMOST divine powers already told one thing. IT IS NOT DIVINE POWER!!!! Therefore it has limits and barriers.

3. Alchemy and Magic are two different kinds. Magic can use chemicals to produce effects but the way it performed is understandably unknown (other than the fact it usually chanted in nonsensical way). It has some result but it is more of a Mental performance and has close relation to religion. Alchemy on the other hand is the ART OF TRANSFORMING substances into another by THE KNOWLEDGE OF CHEMICHAL PROPERTIES of substances. It has clear items to make, it also has clear items to produced. The 'old' rules of alchemy is weight to weight, which means to produce a pruduct weight 1kg it need 1kg of materials. Close relation to modern pharmacy.

Still another fun thing to do here; discuss logic on something that can be interpreted in a lot of ways depending on culture/folklore/belief/mithology =P

Well...priests DO have divine powers given to them straight from The Lord and apparently they don't work as well oO

i have my own interpretations as to how magic works =P and any fairy tale/role playing game/religion/book has theirs...but only to leave somehting clear...i think that for someone who can make people crazy by staring into their eyes, destroying their soul and moral and make fire and ice rain from the sky...making some strange blue coating over their enemie's armor and weapon vanish must be a piece of cake XD

And...people still need to learn and look into the whole.

[Daniel Rose]

Who cares about the story of how dispell can take away FCP!

Seriously we need a way around FCP. Giving dispell the ability to take away FCP will

1)make Valk Card worth more

2)Increase Profs use

3)change WOE,GvG,PvP

it will in all help balance the Prof with other classes as well as allowing GTB to be removed(since FCP+GTB shield=Magical Damage based classes weak) will help with the situation of High Wiz and Prof being less useful.

Lets not think of FCP is chemical and Dispell is magic it doesnt effect it or magic is almost divine

Lets think of this topic. Its about suggestions about Dispell not about why the suggestions dont work in the world the ro story logic!!!

P.S

Sorry about the rant i was bored and this seemed like a fun rant to do^_^

[Ryoji]

I actually don't mind if it gets rid of FCP or not.

Personally if it would help get my first idea passed I'd forget all about FCP dispell.

I'd be just happy as sunshine being in for_fild and a champ runs up to me and gets dispelled and can't efist me.

So I have on thana TSS protection, and I can survive alot longer then the average player. =P

Or just dispelling a sinx's EDP soon as it's cast. Forcing them to spam more of their bottles.

That's right people, I'm going to be annoying your community. Lol.

[Daniel Rose]

Well I think getting a way around FCP is a great idea

As on the idea of Dispell going through GTB here what I think

If they have GTB strip their shield

If they have FCP give us a way around it

If dispell can cancel FCP it would make things easier for Profs and HW who have GTB issues

Who agrees with that?

[geldaz]

I actually don't mind if it gets rid of FCP or not.

I'd be just happy as sunshine being in for_fild and a champ runs up to me and gets dispelled and can't efist me.

So I have on thana TSS protection, and I can survive alot longer then the average player. =P

Forgive me if my english and the ways of explaining this aren't really understendable,but aren't you being a LITTLE to selfish? I mean,as far as I've been reading and of my knowledge,DISPELL is a skill for Professors,meaning a High Wizard or a Ninja would require to get a Valkyrie card and MEELE another class,lets take for example,a SinX.

From what you just said,you just bother aslong as you can survive longer,but you don't really care about others. This,to my eyes,benefits PROFESSORS. I can't see my High Wizard nor anyother player that has a ''passion'' for that class benefiting with this,and then if we ask for another buff they'll say we've got benefited enough and that we're nothing but cry babies.

I know how this works arround here,I've been here for some time now,and sincerely,this won't bring us anywhere.

No harm intended,I mean.. I'D LOVE MAGIC CLASSES TO GET A BUFF,but a buff that benefits to everyone,not just to your eyes. I've learnt that from ranting to much before on the GTB thread (;

Then again,only professors get benefited. I mean,not all of us are Professor addicted. I enjoy High Wizards ye know? (;

[Rosed]

Nowei! What if Dispell can now remove Fcp Buff? then everyone will become Proffessors now because they now have the ability to take out Fcp and also pass through Gtb. o_o

nofcpdebuffplz.

[Shadow Cloner]

Also, you watch too much FMA or you're trying to be like Ernest Gary Gygax.

In which case, you need to try harder.

Alchemy and Magic are highly similar, both are of mythological standards.

If it was an item called ULTRA SUPER GLUE, then I'd believe you in the name of basic science.

However you're saying Myth cannot affect a myth, because it's a myth of slight difference.

What is FMA and Who is Ernest Gary Gygax? :blink: I'm not American so I don't know what are those.

It's up to you to think that way, but I believe they are different (in terms of input-perform-output). In the past science are not as advanced as now therefore ability to make rubber band is already considered extraordinary. For me, A slight difference mith means they are different. Whether it is affecting each other or not, it still does't make either one controls the other.

Well...priests DO have divine powers given to them straight from The Lord and apparently they don't work as well oO

i have my own interpretations as to how magic works :P and any fairy tale/role playing game/religion/book has theirs...but only to leave somehting clear...i think that for someone who can make people crazy by staring into their eyes, destroying their soul and moral and make fire and ice rain from the sky...making some strange blue coating over their enemie's armor and weapon vanish must be a piece of cake :lol:

And...people still need to learn and look into the whole.

Priest are as same as human. It's the skill which has Holy effect but still even priest's magic has limitation (HL can't strike (at least reduced to 50%) angeling card users. MA still can't damage others but Undead, Ghost, Demon and Shadows). In the game, as far as I remember, it is only Defender's Holy Avenger/Gloria Domini which has total divine powers.

From what you just said,you just bother aslong as you can survive longer,but you don't really care about others. This,to my eyes,benefits PROFESSORS. I can't see my High Wizard nor anyother player that has a ''passion'' for that class benefiting with this,and then if we ask for another buff they'll say we've got benefited enough and that we're nothing but cry babies.

No harm intended,I mean.. I'D LOVE MAGIC CLASSES TO GET A BUFF,but a buff that benefits to everyone,not just to your eyes. I've learnt that from ranting to much before on the GTB thread ;)

I enjoy High Wizards ye know? ;)

I do agree. That's why if this pass through, I see 2/4 (depend how you see it) classes overpower the rest.

[Ryoji]

There's already several overpowered classes as is.

Mostly consisting of champs, sinx, and paladins.

However, they are being worked on to be made less powerful then they previously were.

However that still doesn't help ANY magic classes, and maybe even the stalker class on the side.

YES! I am specifically trying to support Proffessor. That is correct. Yet, at the same time I don't play just prof.

You are incorrect there.

Because with simply 1-2 valk cards I could actually dispell even faster in pvp then using the skill.

Yes, that even with 2-3 kiels.

So if anything a valk card would be favored, and even in WoE and such you wouldn't have to be

the only class reliant on using dispell because anyone could do it.

If a guild agreed to it, we'd have a back line of wizards and instead of trying to kill people we could have

a team of paladins or sinx dispelling and stripping people while us magic classes barrage from behind.

Why?

Because it brings back strategy and competition to pvp.

It brings back meaning to all classes, other then the powerful three. =P

[» Pat]

{ bonus bUnbreakableWeapon,0; bonus2 bAddRace,RC_NonBoss,10; bonus2 bAddRace,RC_Boss,10; bonus2 bAddRace2,5,10; bonus3 bAutoSpell,289,1,10; if(BaseClass == Job_Mage) bonus { skill 289,1,10} },{},{}

Should work somehow like that.

If class is mage cls, gain skill Dispell Lvl 1.

[Ryoji]

I'd be happy as sex if they got rid of valk card

and gave all magic classes dispell

And dispell passes GTB. <3

[Sorrow]

i have nothing against FCP...only chemical protection shield :3

one thing that i agree with geldaz(though there's lots of things i agree with him); giving an advantage only to professors won't do any good about the GTB 'issue'. Still, i think that this change along with others could work...

i was thinking something funny...what if Magic Crasher had a 1% chance of causing 1kk damage when the target is wearing GTB? XD

[Ryoji]

Or just increase magic crasher damage, or do what blueberry was saying

and give dispell to wizards too; Which would be nice.

[geldaz]

Or just increase magic crasher damage, or do what blueberry was saying

and give dispell to wizards too; Which would be nice.

You haven't re-posted to what I said before,wow,how...weird. Anyways,giving dispell to Wizards WILL NOT help. Why? Wizards aren't Professors. Professors do actually have a slight chance of Meelein (( Even though that chance is barely any ,except for PD professors )) ,but Wizards are far from being a Meele DPS class. And ..just spamming dispell? Wizards are meant to be one of the most versatile classes here,not a 1-skill class. I honestly don't get how giving dispell to Wizards is going to make this game more strategic. Honestly,you guys are watching to much programs. This is real business. Not Jerry's program.

[Ryoji]

YES! I am specifically trying to support Proffessor. That is correct. Yet, at the same time I don't play just prof.

You are incorrect there.

Because with simply 1-2 valk cards I could actually dispell even faster in pvp then using the skill.

Yes, that even with 2-3 kiels.

So if anything a valk card would be favored, and even in WoE and such you wouldn't have to be

the only class reliant on using dispell because anyone could do it.

If a guild agreed to it, we'd have a back line of wizards and instead of trying to kill people we could have

a team of paladins or sinx dispelling and stripping people while us magic classes barrage from behind.

{ bonus bUnbreakableWeapon,0; bonus2 bAddRace,RC_NonBoss,10; bonus2 bAddRace,RC_Boss,10; bonus2 bAddRace2,5,10; bonus3 bAutoSpell,289,1,10; if(BaseClass == Job_Mage) bonus { skill 289,1,10} },{},{}

Should work somehow like that.

If class is mage cls, gain skill Dispell Lvl 1.

I'd be happy as sex if they got rid of valk card

and gave all magic classes dispell

And dispell passes GTB. <3

Or just increase magic crasher damage, or do what blueberry was sayingand give dispell to wizards too; Which would be nice.

[geldaz]

As I said,wizards are meant to be versatile. You're trying to stuck them with 1-2 skills. Magic crasher was rarely used on iRO. We're forced to use that last shittie option in here.

[Ryoji]

One to Two options are better then the ZERO they already have.

Is now the time to be picky?

[Sorrow]

i say buff stave crasher so much that people will MUST take off the GTB to survive the second one XD

PS:for more that it looks like the subject is going loosen from the topic, in the end there's not how to avoid, the root of the problem is just one and everything sooner or later gets to it T.T