Rule Ammendment

[Ryoji]

I am proposing a new setup be instated for the rules as for punishment wise.

Be it a new staff member added on for the sole purpose of enforcing said punishments, then so be it.

There are many cases irl as Icon stated before that could change your amount of time served in jail.

However, this is not jail. It's a forum. HOWEVER~!

The game seems to differ from the forum in terms of punishment.

I'm assuming there are no in stone records of every single punishment in game.

So, how is it someone can be put in jail over and over and eventually get out in game for

half if not most of any rule broken in the game, set aside the extremes.

You're jailed or you're banned, that's punishment for the game.

So, that seems fair enough. You do the crime, you do the time.

Yet, on the forum it's different. You don't get jailed. You get warned.

So really, there is no punishment until you've hit your limit. Then you're gone.

Or in other words. Banned. [The Death Penalty Punishment]

I am not pushing for a time limit this time, but a new idea.

I want the opinion of everyone else's on this idea as well,

to see if more can be thought up or if this could be modified for the better in any way.

My idea as it stands is to adjust the warning system into a series of logs.

Be it under a hidden section of the forum,

as I know you CAN make being a previous Admin on many other forums myself.

OR

You can appoint a new member of staff with a custom title and only power given to mod ONLY that.

Because, I know Admin's can change the powers given to any title as well.

That way anytime a GM/Mod gives a warn. They could do it in a variety of ways.

They could verbally warn that person if it's a minor warn [such as spam, reviving threads, etc]

Or just do what they also do sometimes and don't say anything and just bring up their warn.

INSTEAD of just bringing up their warn, they could send a pm to said staff member then this staff

would justify if it was worthwhile to warn that person.

Now, how does this help the situation at all?

Well, there's two parts to the idea. I also think an appeal section should be applied to the forum.

In which a person should be allowed to appeal a 10% off their warn for said reasons that they list.

And in doing so they should only be allowed an attempt at an appeal every month or so.

However, a vote must be put from the GMs/Mods/Admins and they can do it however they like.

To prevent favortism, I think logs should be kept of each warn anyways.

Thus that specific staff member.

In the appeal that said staff member takes out the log for what was done,

and who the punishment was issued by.

Then I believe 2-3 Gms/Mods/Admins must then say if they wish to appeal / keep the warn there

and their reasons.

However, I believe the one who issued the punishment.

Both the logging staff member, and the one who pm'd the request to warn or the one who did warn

should NOT be allowed to vote in that specific appeal.

That way it is not biased towards a certain opinion, but instead can give room to other

Staff members and their stand on the rules.

This giving the chance to redeem or present a case that would be deemed unjust.

No one staff member is correct...except Genesis, because he owns this forum/game.

A staff member reads the rules, and makes judgements on their outlooks on the rules.

However, no one views the rules the same way as the next.

This is to be given a fair chance to both the staff, and the players themselves.

Need an example?

I was given a 10% for my signiture, which contained a fact justified by reasoning.

My fact was not directed at one person, nor did it contain nudity/obscenity/Flames.

It was not offensive to the public neither.

So I did what I assumed was the better of two things to do.

I asked a HIGHER GM and the Mod that Warned me for if this was justified.

The GM said that I was correct, and the Mod was improperly punishing me.

The Mod said, that the signiture wasn't breaking the rules so it would not be removed again

HOWEVER, the mod then said that the warn would NOT be removed

Even if it was an unjust punishment.

So even though one stubbornly admitted I was correct.

And a higher authority admitted I was correct.

Should I be left with such a warn? Or allowed a fair chance?

[Zeitgeist]

Every offense done in the game is logged, so does every warn given to players on the forums.

We've already had our previous experiences with forums to allow the players to appeal to an accusation (report forums would let anyone post, so anyone accused of breaking the rules could appeal to their side) which only brought flames, drama and grief-play. The implementation of a public access forum to defend your case will not proceed, it's open to a lot of abuse.

You're wrong when you say you don't get punished on forums. People who break the rules constantly do get banned for a certain time, not many have reached this kind of punishment. However, I do believe that 10 followed instances of abuse on the forums should lead to a permanent ban. However, least you didn't notice it yet, Genesis cleans up everyone's warn history after the forum has a mass clean-up. This has already happened once and has left players who had 90% on the clean.

We don't prohibit the players from defending themselves against punishments, as long as they do it orderly. Your case should not be the difference if you explained your case with order. If said moderator admitted your signature did not break any rules then the warn must be removed, no questions asked. I'll inquiry more of your case with the staff.

[Ryoji]

Then what of an option to create a sub board with a password upon a request for a player.

Let's say that there's still a one month chance for an appeal still.

That said player would pm a GM and request them to make a sub board with their name on it.

So, lets go through over an example.

It's been a month since I've been warned, I want an Appeal.

I then PM Zeit, and you'd go to the board for appeals which is locked except for pinned rules and set up.

You'd then create a sub board with my name "Ryoji", and password lock it.

That password is then sent to the player, and to the other GMs/Mods.

That will give a chance for the player to defend themselves for the appeal.

After the case has been decided a GM closes the thread and locks it, and then changes the password.

That way the player can no longer keep accessing the sub board.

The sub board could stay there, but if they became crowded or weren't used for another appeal after so long

Then that board could be deleted until that person requested another appeal.

Or, you could merely keep that board open as long as said case is open.

Then delete it when said case is shut.

To do that however, a GM would have to pm the final post/result to the player incase they missed it.

[Ryoji]

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Waiting for a reply to my Second Post

[Ryoji]

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[Ryoji]

What?! Bumped AGAIN!?

Yes, I will keep bumping this

[Gilgamesh]

This is what happens when forums are ran by female mods.

Pussies.

[Genesis]

Then don't post in them. =]

I'll consider this suggestion Ryoji, it has some potential. Be sure to PM me if you make any changes to it.