Selling Fro Items For Real life Cash Illegal?

[kitzai23]

Is selling items outside of game illegal? why?

I dont see why players are not permitted to sell items from game for real cash. Why isit Illegal? Let me guess, maybe some of you would think that, selling my items for real cash in life would affect the market of administrators from Forsaken Ro. Maybe this is one of the reasons the gm's can only point out? what else? But from my point of view, I think that, I sacrficed day and night, all my time, just to online and play Forsaken Ro leaving out assignments, Work not done, sometimes late for classes mostly oversleeping due to playing this server. For all that time I've sacrifice, I only get to gain and earn that little bit of coupons or items just to PVP/MVP or WOE in game. As for all the effort put into this game, just to have these items, why dont I have the rights to do whatever with it? Some people choose to give it to friends, or brothers or sisters or just leave it. But I choose to sell my items for real life cash. WHY? For playing Forsaken Ro, I dont only spend and sacrifice my time to play, I have to firstly Pay my rent, Pay electricity Bills and also the internet Bills. DO you think its free? Currently now im running low in cash, as my situation now is kinda broke due to spending of unnecessary stuff like this, and I cant find a part time job which is suitable for me to help me survive till next month cause only then my dad would cash in my next allowanece. So i just sat down and thought for abit, then I said to myself "Oh, I've got items and valuables in my account, I think I can use the items and get money from it to support myself throughout the weekend" and that was my last resort. As I posted the list of items and valuables of mine in the "Market" section, here comes [GM]Genesis posting up in my ttopic saying its illegal. So please guys, from your point of view, please leave a post for what you think of this issue. Cause i seriously think its stupid that "Its illegal to sell your own stuff for real cash" Its my item, I have my rights to do what I want to do with it. For Your INformation, I havent sold anything yt since Genesis posted a reply that he will banned the seler and buyer who is involved. Please guys, post down a topic about this..whether u agree with me or not. THanks.

-For those who wants to cause Drama or Flame in my Topic, Please feel free to Fu*k off..

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[Tick]

It is also how the person will get you the money which makes it illegal. Always the possibility of it being a scam. That is why it is illegal.

[Terroryst]

Alright, I didn't read the whole thing, but you don't HAVE to play this game. You shouldn't throw away stuff that are more important to play this. This is supposed to be something recreational. o_O

[Terminus]

Use your fucking head. If you sell something like for example, worth 50 dollars (a full set). Then they take the items but don't pay you. After that you go running to Genesis "gm111!!1 i sry sumeone scam me nd i giv him money!!" It would be your utter fault and they cannot do anything since there is really no evidential proof. Plus, you could be faking it by selling it to yourself and saying that you lost it to some BR. Of course, you can always sell your items. I'm sure you won't get banned for it. Just that they won't do anything about it is why it is illegal.

[kitzai23]

Why are u swearing? are u some kind of game retard or psycho? Please dont post another reply in my topic thanks. I only ask for opininons, not ask u to give me god damn lecture, I know what I am doing. I've been scammed many times. I never complained to the Game Masters here. I already mentioned, in order to get money, selling my items is my last resort, read carefully MY ITEMS, means MY RESPONSIBILITY if anything happens, so whats ur problem? Genesis, I hope you dont do anything stupid.

[Genesis]

Not to mention if someone pays YOU money for a donation item at a cheaper price that means they could have used that money to DONATE to the server, donations are what keep the server ALIVE.

[Versace]

Simple reasons on why it is illegal:

- Scam Cases

- Economy

[GodspeedXIII]

Now that Gen and the others exlplained the hurt to the server...

I'll give a few more reasons why I don't agree with you.

1) JOBS and DIPLOMAS pays your rent and bills better than SPRITES.

2) Think of the receiving side: Not all people are Paris Hiltons and Bill Gates so you can expect them to feel nothing buying your stuff. Even Gen didn't say: CMON DONATE DONATE GET PAWNAGE GEARZ YEAH!!, but he recommend the donators to think through and through before doing so and the money goes to running this server and some to living costs <- that's because it's Gen's "JOB"

The point is, for RO addicts, especially young ones may buy your stuff without proper realization that he won't be playing RO in the next few years to come or he just thwarted his lunch money rations OR he's just stolen his mom's Paypal account. Seriously, any commercial code would say that when a person who has not come of age execute a contract wihout the guardian's permission and such contract is not normal living expenses, the contract is "avoidable" and you're subjected to return the money if the guardians say so.

3) You can't enforce any sprites-to-money transfer. All sprites and graphics are the intellectual property of Gravity and you're selling something that is not yours, while Donations are not contract of sale, it's contract of don while forsaken gears aren't counted as "considerations" to the contract.

In 2) and 3) I've cited the general principle of law, I don't live in the US so I can't quote UCC, but I'm a law student and I know that those principle are in the law of ANY country, therefore that explains why your acts are illegal.

This is gonna hurt but

4) It is YOUR FAULT that you oversleep and didn't finished your assignments and didn't have jobs to pay your bills. RO is not something to interfere with your real life when you play WITH MODERATION. I can clock in whole weekend for RO, but when time comes, I sleep early and go to work on time, even get my exercises done. Nitemare said this is something recreational and sure as hell it is: You can't listen to tons of music everyday and ask why don't you get paid for listening to so much music.

There you go, life reasons, legal reasons. If you're DESPERATE with money right now, you may easily quit RO, get a loan and renew your life with jobs and investments anytime (don't pay away your loan, or you'll be in even deeper dunghole)

[Communism]

LOL. True.

[Arcane]

This is a joke.

[chalkzone]

Well, if you gonna sell ur stuff on people around ur neighborhood for cash, especially if you have so much excess. i dont see anything wrong w/ that.

But Selling and Buying items on the internet to people you dont know, is One hell example of stupidity.

[kitzai23]

I dont fully agree with you all saying that Im affecting the economy of Forsaken Ro, but Why does Genesis have to worry? when so many other people are donating, Forsaken RO is famous, right? And look, there's only small population in the community like me who wants to sell items, and the majority goes to people like u all, who dont like selling your stuff to people. Therefore, only that few people who are wanting to sell items wouldnt even affect the market of Genesis in forsaken RO.

Lets Look at number 1 of what godspeed posted. Jobs and diploma's get your rents and bills paid.

Yes, Sure it does. I dont know why Im sharing with you my personal situation, but let me give you guys a clear view of what situation im in right now. I've no money now. No money to eat, my rent, I've settled it early fo the month, BIlls and stuff, all done. Im an international student, to apply for a visa, I have to pay $50 above to get a stupid working visa so i can work. After getting a visa, I need to take cabs/tramps/Bus to the city to look for jobs? as where im staying now is kinda outskirt of where Im studying. And dont forget, I've got college to keep up with, I've got curricular activities to attend, and rush back home at some days. And do you think I would get a suitable job for myself by then? I would be starving If i spent the current cash I have to apply for the working Visa and pay for transportation. I rather keep my cash first, then wait till my next month allowanc comes in then look for a job. Since im low in cash, almost close to less than $40 to last till next month thats why, selling my items was my last resort.

Lets Look at number 2, here is what GodSpeed quoted

"The point is, for RO addicts, especially young ones may buy your stuff without proper realization that he won't be playing RO in the next few years to come or he just thwarted his lunch money rations OR he's just stolen his mom's Paypal account. Seriously, any commercial code would say that when a person who has not come of age execute a contract wihout the guardian's permission and such contract is not normal living expenses, the contract is "avoidable" and you're subjected to return the money if the guardians say so."

Okay so you say many commercial code would say that when a person who has not come of age execute a contract without the guardian's permission and such contract is not normal living expenses, the contract is avoidable, and you're subjected to return the money if the guardians say so. I dont see why Genesis is not having problems such as guardians of RO Players(who are kids) asking for a return of cash because of the reasons u've just stated. Let me argue with the statement you've just said. Im sure genesis does not meet the age of even doing this business also, as you just stated above if you're talking about meeting the age criteria of doing business for cash. If that is so, It is the GM Team's fault for not putting up an age limit to play the server, at least put up the rules or age limit as a backup would help Genesis save his ass if he meets any of these cases as u stated. For Instance, If an underage kid were to buy stuff online, He is the one who makes the decision to buy, nobody is forcing him to buy(as u stated above). All a sudden, he feels like reclaiming his item for cash back from genesis, and as above you stated that "a person who has not come of age execute a contract wihout the guardian's permission and such contract is not normal living expenses, the contract is "avoidable" and you're subjected to return the money if the guardians say so." Doesnt this make Forsaken's RO server's market drop aswell? So in conclusion, the GM team should put an age limit, if he were to sell things online to RO players in his server in case of this type of situation. DOnt forget, we are doign TRADING here. not BETTING. If the guardian of a kid were to ask me to give money back. I would say Fu*k Off.

Number 4

You quoted that "It is YOUR FAULT that you oversleep and didn't finished your assignments and didn't have jobs to pay your bills. RO is not something to interfere with your real life when you play WITH MODERATION. I can clock in whole weekend for RO, but when time comes, I sleep early and go to work on time, even get my exercises done. Nitemare said this is something recreational and sure as hell it is: You can't listen to tons of music everyday and ask why don't you get paid for listening to so much music."

Sorry Im not as perfect as you are. I believe everyone has their good and bad side of themselve, as nobody is perfect. What is perfect? We dont know. Sorry I cant cope up with my studies cause I fucking love Forsaken RO, Its just what I like to do. You have things that you Like to do. But For me, I love spending time Ro until i miss classes, and always being involve in procrastination. Sorry, Im not perfect. GOD made me like this.

THis is getting me nowhere. I hope you guys understand.

[GodspeedXIII]

I once was in the situation you're in, but without that severe of a shortage. Yes, it does feel like shit.

But look, you can't say GOD made you like this while you're still clicking away on RO screen. I've lost friends, fucked up my grade and even failed at love life saying all those things. You're in distress but you can take some countermeasures to ease your pain: To see it from god's point of view, if he can always see you from the above why can't he reach his hand down and give you some greens?

If someone is willing to buy your already-owned stuff in person and that would make you live a month longer, I can accept that as your last resort. Promise that you would not make a living out of fRO and ruin it for us all (as in: no donation bootlegging)...turn off your PC and think what can you do to pay the bills, get the grades and have some time to clock in for RO for some time, you may get a loan for that work permit, you may start buy-and-sell stuff over eBay(that is not graphics), there're many poissibilities if you can get out of that emotional clouds. If you have faith in christianity, borrow that faith and defeat what makes you like this.

Don't give me that "I can't that's the way I am" bullshit. I've given people enough of that bullshit already, but I stood up and changed.

I have no authority to give you the green lights to do what you asked, but think about what I say, hard.

[Defiance]

Its Illegal since it will simply put the ForsakenRO Management under violation of laws. Why on Earth would you think that you're allowed to sell it when the ForsakenRO Management aren't even allowed to do so. Its called donations, not items for sale. Its not compulsory, and thats why hundreds of people still enjoy playing this game for free up until now.

[Phanta-Realism]

Reasons:

--> Sellers can report a scammed/hack case after receiving payment.

--> Sellers provide an alternative instead of donation.

--> it doesnt help the server at all. No gain, all losses. o.o

[kitzai23]

THanks for your opinions and "lecture" but i still cant accept the fact its illegal. Thanks anyways