Desamor Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 Even that Sage got nerfed twice, doesn't have benefits that Wizard has. In case people forgot, Sage can't use Kingring/FBH with bolts, this mean the damage they do compared to the wizard is low, yea, they attack faster but in a 80%, but also, that make them more easily to get reflected by maya, while mostly wizard doesn't have to worry about that since they do AOE damage with good damage. Now, another thing that made the gap is a bit wide is their weapon, Wizard's weapon have better benefits* than Sage itself, even tho' was the one nerfed. Professor Enable the use of Level 1 Stave Crasher, Allow the use of Level 10 Enlarge Weight Limit, Max SP + 15%, Int + 35, Str + 35, MATK + 30%. Wizard Increase damage of Stave Crasher by 40%, Reduce damage received from Demihumans by 10%, Max HP + 20%, Max Sp + 10%, Int + 30, MATK + 35%, When attacking there is a 5% chance of casting Strip Shield. Allow the use of Level 10 Enlarge Weight Limit. *About the Stave Crasher, yea, Sage have Voluspa but that only mean they need to change weapon in order to fight properly, what this mean? Well, a Wizard can use the same weapon for Stave/Magic while a Sage can't, since Voluspa decrease their INT. ----- Now my suggestion is, that Sage get Autostrip, the dmg reduct and HP boost same as Wizard, or a bit better to compensate the nerf on the damage cards, once again, they can attack faster but are the one that get reflected while wizard could just drop a meteor.
Rayray Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 Wizards do not have a benefit over prof in any shape or form except on WoE where AoE shines a bit better, but then can still be easily shut off by a prof's skill. I disagree on making it on par with the wizard highness. You are only looking at the descriptions itself. While it does look like the wizard highness is better on paper, you have to look at it as a whole. Even with the wizard highness' hp boosts and all, wizard would still be below prof as a whole. Those hp increase mean not that much since wizard base hp is crap in the first place. Wizards also do not have the one spam kill potential that profs have due to double bolt. A good prof would not drop a bolt if he know he would get reflected, and in my experience, a reflected bolt to a wizard will instantly kill it due to the lack of hp(barely making it 180k most of the time, and that is on eidelic) so that isn't really a good comparison. The only time wizards look better is on woe when they already have stacked multiple meteors. I don't actually see the gap you are talking about between wizards and prof. If you pit them together in pvp, prof wins 80% of the time. That's why the wizard highness got boosted because prof's stave damage was actually better on voluspa then a wizard before, and stave was a skill of wiz. You just can't compare the two as wizard is way below prof in all honesty. If we make the highness the same on prof and wizard, the gap between them will get bigger, when it is already on prof's advantage. Comparing just the weapon descriptions is also misleading. 1
gennova Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 If this got accepted Ill be really happy, but yeah. Its easier to use maya on HW rather then Prof. Even when fighting against maya user, I tend to keep going while spamming seed like crazy to see which one drop first and most of the time I survive. As long as I already anticipated maya, Ill be ready to spam seed when my HP drop like crazy unlike HW who drop dead right away on single reflect. Prof can easily reach 200+ HP while HW hardly had 100+ with maximum vit he can add after giving much to agi. Thats the reason HW weapon got boost. And a good HW will increase their reduct build like using Laughing Poopoo Hat and use less vit so can go without skoll. The HP wll become bellow 100k, but still can survive Asura rather then HW who put much vit. And it doesn't matter what build HW goes, Prof still outbest HW.
sartorius19 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 Its the Spam of Bolts im most concerned of rather than the equips. as the two elaborated already. Theres only few good wiz out there who can par on prof and other classes. The weaps are fine the way they are imo. But not on voluspa. I really support the idea of having hit to compensate the lesser damage we get from losing so much int. i could agree on strip as matk classes are easily countered by GTB. and not all are on FCP. so at least they have a chance. Mostly I can withstand most attacks and wait for the fcp to worn out and just strip people, most classes runs away/warps away when stripped anyways. but not the hp and other things, my prof can easily have 250-300k hp without even using 2 tgk. compared to the crappy hp of wiz.
Shadi Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Now my suggestion is, that Sage get Autostrip, the dmg reduct and HP boost same as Wizard, or a bit better to compensate the nerf on the damage cards, once again, they can attack faster but are the one that get reflected while wizard could just drop a meteor. WoWoWoW buddy. As someone that has a lot of experience with both classes, The high wizard is in no way better than a prof in any way, shape or form. Professors have higher damage output (they shouldn't but they do), they have way higher survivability (not just HP but also skills that make them nearly invulnerable) they have the same/higher stave damage with voluspa than wizards. They can sustain reflect while wizards can't. If you're wondering I'm currently playing professor and I literally see no reason to buff the highness. Also I don't see where your "decrease in int" is coming from. Voluspa adds int. Not as much as the other weapons obviously but I don't think you can call it a 'decrease of int' as it's still a bonus. Also my bolt damage on voluspa is fine as it is, I personally don't even need the highness to force people to maya or gtb, and once they do that stave does insane damage with hardly any attack animation so it can be spammed like crazy. Edited January 12, 2015 by Shadi 1
Rayray Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 ^ I was actually waiting for you to reply as you were the only other wizard I know that actually used the class to pvp.
Shadi Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 ^ I was actually waiting for you to reply as you were the only other wizard I know that actually used the class to pvp. Kinda miss using it, should gear it up again. Though if there's any magic class that needs a buff, it's wizard not sage. I'm not asking for damage buffs or anything the only thing they need is more HP.
Rayray Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 Kinda miss using it, should gear it up again. Though if there's any magic class that needs a buff, it's wizard not sage. I'm not asking for damage buffs or anything the only thing they need is more HP. Wizard highness is probably one of the rarest valks so i hope you still had that. And yeah, what we need is more HP for wiz. 180k max HP on eidelics is not funny.
Shadi Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 Wizard highness is probably one of the rarest valks so i hope you still had that. And yeah, what we need is more HP for wiz. 180k max HP on eidelics is not funny. I can get my hands on one. Getting eidelics will be harder :P!
Rayray Posted January 12, 2015 Report Posted January 12, 2015 I can get my hands on one. Getting eidelics will be harder :P! Way easier to just get the ring(if you had people to raid with). Although eidelics was good enough to at least raise my hp to 180k, i do not know how much it is now
