Buff bot poll

[Drax]

Well to inform u more genesis on WoE script. They can see damage in woe they can see from diffrent camera angels and 1 other stupid thing but there bitching about buff bots so im gonna bitch about this

[Genesis]

I was wondering on how this Buff Bot script works? Is it 1 char buffing all skills (WS, SL, Priests, etc). Or a WS, SL, Priest, etc class buffing all at one time?

No its for example a creator giving your FP and on another account a priest bless etc.

[Pimptress]

Ah I see, thanks Wizardry.

Edit: And Genesis =)

[Overlord]

You know what... this poll is pointless. Influence has the most members in their guild from the server. Of course they will win EVERY poll they make. I am sure if I had the same amount of members in my guild, I would win.

Doesn`t this seem familiar? How influence complained about Patchworks build? Of course they won that poll too. If nothing goes influences way, we know about what will happen. Could of seen this coming awhile ago.. How about we make a poll and BAN the people using WOE Damage scripts? Seems Fair to me. Assholes.

Shawn, you make a very good point on why Buff Bot should be allowed. I'm kidding. And yet again, you're targeting my Guild which isn't directly relevant to the topic.

The issue with Patchworks build, you were involved in the discussion and was with us. However, that does not matter right now. And watch your language, although Genesis didn't warn you on that. I request that you should be warned for that.

Genesis, I'll message you and refresh your memory on the WoE "damage script" that you approved a while ago.

And a quick question, Genesis, if I download Openkore and set it up as a Buff Bot, would that be within the rules? If not then, I'll get a similar program to act as a Buff Bot? Or is there a specific program / script guideline that would be considered usable in fRO. I would like to play within the rules. = )

As a side note: I don't mind either way, whether it will be allowed or not. The main thing is that it is now public knowledge and which programs are usable. And players in the past have been punished for suspecting of using Buff Bot. But the rules has changed it seems.

[Drax]

Well like posted b4 we use buff bots Influence uses hexed client that gives them an edge to i cant see how much im hitting people for only they can id say thats a PRETTY big edge all we get is agi bless assumptio and FP i dont think there even close to the same

[Genesis]

http://forum.forsaken-ro.net/index.php?showtopic=16

Jul 24 2007, 08:07 PM

Rules haven't been modified. Buff bots are high customized macros; you do not need to use open kore nor visual kore, until we decide if we will allow them or not I cannot support neither parties. I don't recall ever approving of anything that allows you to do extra damage or see damage in WoE.

[Drax]

See point proven were following within the rules influence is not

[Genesis]

Point not proven; if this topic does not go back to its original purpose myself and the GM Team will decide if they will be allowed or not.

[Drax]

ok sorry

[Hrist]

So far, nobody has taken me up on my challenge. I dare you to tell me what makes buff bots so wrong that it disrupts balanced game play. I don't give two shits if Influence, Forsaken, and Escape are at war, but please tell me whats wrong with it. Is it too much of a hazard that it makes the gangers cry, and the so-called "elites" feel so weak? I mean, whats the deal with you people? Have you gone out of your minds? All you care about is your precious e-peen, and not on whats really going on. Seriously, I could care less if this turns out as another influence thread, but I want a straight answer. For me, Auto-AD script is much more devastating, or in another instance, the script that allows you to see your damages in WOE. I really think this thread is biased. And to also think that you want to cancel out your buffs in WOE/PvP/LMS too? Well, isn't that giving the imbalance to the ones who has the money to buy fcp scrolls? I mean, most of us uses FCP buffers in LMS, so whats the point of the whole thing if you jump into a den of lions unprepared? Would you agree going to LMS fighting the ones who can buy FCP scrolls? What about the others who doesn't? Its not always single play, but cooperative play as well. Buffbots are about as haxed as the Auto-AD and Damage/Camera hack in WOE. Would you let those two get implemented and not the harmless Buff Bot (Don't lie to me because I know you use it too)? Think about the weight of your words. I find it offending that your way of thinking always get your way. If you care too much about balance, then think of the most important stuff other than your own selfishness. If you want a reasonable answer, I am always here standing ready for whatever you got. Thats a promise.

I see many valid points in the argument between Gilgamesh and Hrist. However, I do must point out that I see many good points in Gilgamesh's statements.

For example, he does make a good point when it comes as to what fair play and balance is. While most of you think buff bots are ok, it is simply not the way RO was meant to be. Sure, if you can get an edge with buffs over your opponents, it means you will have a better chance of winning. However, RO was meant to be so that for you to get those buffs, other players would have to take the roll of the buffers. I deem it quite contradictory of my statements to be making changes to balance classes, while forgetting them and leaving them as macros. My apologies for that.

Voted no. I'm sure people can adapt to playing the buffer roll again.

And you think other hacked stuff was meant to be in RO too? If you want to remove one, then remove it all. But removing our pre-emptive chance of pre-buffing is simply wrong. All RO servers allows it. Buff bots or none, pre-buffing has been a tradition of RO since 5 years ago. Everyone going into PvP asks for buffs before fighting. Thats in Low rate official servers. What about in highrates? We ask for FCP because we want to avoid getting any broken stuff. We ask for priest buffs because we might get ambushed anytime. Isn't it the whole point of the whole thing? Not every buffed person gets a fair chance of winning. Buffs however, increases that chance. So are you saying that their points are the only ones who will win everytime? Don't they use buff bots as well? Is it so wrong? Not everyone who takes the role of buff bots can't play. YOU implemented the dual clienting too right? The other character can play while the other client stands in wait. It doesn't impair their playing capacity at all. What you were saying has just been proven wrong. Buff bots aren't the only issue here because Gilgamesh suggested the pre-buff removal in PvP/LMS. Is that justice and balanced gameplay for you? Tell me if my impression of Justice in ForsakenRO has been wrong all this time. Its not just balance for one, its balance for the greater masses and not just a single guild. I dare you to gang me in this thread too if you can.

[Gilgamesh]

I dare you to tell me what makes buff bots so wrong that it disrupts balanced game play.

I think you've never seen the full potential of what these scripts can do.

I mean, whats the deal with you people? Have you gone out of your minds? All you care about is your precious e-peen, and not on whats really going on. Seriously, I could care less if this turns out as another influence thread, but I want a straight answer.

...Aren't you the one who is not direct to the point? You started this shit up.

For me, Auto-AD script is much more devastating, or in another instance, the script that allows you to see your damages in WOE. I really think this thread is biased. And to also think that you want to cancel out your buffs in WOE/PvP/LMS too? Well, isn't that giving the imbalance to the ones who has the money to buy fcp scrolls?

You're right Auto-AD script is devastating, so is with that script that makes you see damages in WoE. I have FCP Scrolls. I mean, buffs should be canceled before one enters the PvP room but not to entirely disable buffs.

I mean, most of us uses FCP buffers in LMS, so whats the point of the whole thing if you jump into a den of lions unprepared? Would you agree going to LMS fighting the ones who can buy FCP scrolls? What about the others who doesn't? Its not always single play, but cooperative play as well.

I believe no one sells the FCP Scrolls nowadays. You say cooperative? Is buff-botting / pre-buffing using buff slaves cooperative? Those are probably used by only 1 person. There is no cooperative involved with just 1 person.

If you care too much about balance, then think of the most important stuff other than your own selfishness.

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And you think other hacked stuff was meant to be in RO too? If you want to remove one, then remove it all. But removing our pre-emptive chance of pre-buffing is simply wrong. All RO servers allows it.

A lot of low rates have pre-buffs canceled once a person enters PvP. But of course, Cooked Items aren't canceled.

Buff bots or none, pre-buffing has been a tradition of RO since 5 years ago. Everyone going into PvP asks for buffs before fighting. Thats in Low rate official servers.

No. They get their ass flamed for being a buff maniac. They always get buffed inside the PvP room. Or if outside, probably not a bot nor a slave.

Buff bots aren't the only issue here because Gilgamesh suggested the pre-buff removal in PvP/LMS. Is that justice and balanced gameplay for you? Tell me if my impression of Justice in ForsakenRO has been wrong all this time. Its not just balance for one, its balance for the greater masses and not just a single guild.

I don't have any guild in any of my characters. I didn't see any good solution you've come up to. You just simply try to prove to me that everything I say is incorrect.

I dare you to gang me in this thread too if you can.

You feel oppressed and you seek for justice because you feel that your rights have been taken away from you.

I'll end my role in this topic in this one post. Seriously, just think about it Hrist. I don't have to repeat myself for you, and that goes that same for you, you're just repeating things over and over again with your long replies.

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Less than 200 players,sorry but i MUST correct you,I am mostly on all day and lets see.....more than 200 players :P evrerytime one logs off another 30 or so may have entered...there are about 350~400 players playing at diffrent times,and I must remind you...not everyone plays at your time please try to be more precise, I have not and will not vote.I shall not get into this row...but if you don't like the server,leave it.If you'd take that much time to say it isn't great,go,no one is holding you back,go to some crappy lowrate with about 500 players and say "THIS IS TEH BEST SEVER EV4R!!1!!11111!!!!1!!!!!!for all I care.I think your just complaining about buffs because you are one of those noobs who get killed,I get killed and I may throw in the occasional "fag" when I'm like level 99~150 and he's like level 200+,so I must agree with Hrist.

There are less than 200players on at a time. Did I correct myself now? Even if we have 200players on at a time, does that mean the server has a great population? No. Seriously Tyler, you don't even know about anything in the topic.

You said, I am one of the "noobs" who gets pwnt?

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[Damascus]

Welcome to Forsaken Ragnarok Online: The Forbidden Reality.

If arguments get out of hand in a poll, just vote Yes and leave, if you wonder why? because if it's on something unfair, I'm probably doing it.

PS: Yes means No and No means Yes while Yes means Yes and No means Yes and Yes means No while No means No.

Gilgamesh quit arguing, I still use the bot to auto-FCP before I duel since I don't use Scrolls and having another account lags too much. :x.

[L I N K]

LMS about 10 minutes ago, I go in, EVERY member of Influence Has Soul Linker Buffs (ka-Spells). They had WS party Buffs to, That provides an Unfair advantade to their teaming in non-team LMS.

[Hrist]

Gilgamesh, as usual, you ended up quoting everything without proving anything. Alright then, I'll make it as simple as I could so I can match up to that rusted old brain of yours. If this doesn't make you give up, then you're just too naive like your ideas of "honor and justice".

In my posts, I never said about disabling the buffs in pvp. I said that it is WRONG to disable pre-buffing in PvP. And you say A LOT of lowrates disabled pre-buffing because they don't want buff whores? See, thats the biggest fault in your statement. You, once again have been very predictable since the very beginning. You keep on defending as hard as you could, but in the end, I come out and pin you down in another checkmate. Don't believe it? Here goes:

First of all, there is no such thing as buffwhores in low rates. In case you didn't notice, I am trying to match up with Zeitgeist's statement of "what should be" in RO. Now, a good example of this is the "official servers", and the "low rate" servers. Its usually this kind servers that have large populations, am I right? Now there is no such thing as "Domination" in low rates since everything is capped down to a much faster gameplay compared to ours. They have moderate damage compared to their low HP. In short, they die easily. In these desperate situations, they unconditionally ask for buffs to a random Priest that sits in the PvP entrance. Of course, the kind priest buffs them or so. Now, even with buffed, most of them never had a chance to win because their opponent had better gears, and probably more playing experience. Still, those buffs usually extends their lifespan in PvP. If those buffs were for example, removed from the system, wouldn't it devastate the balance itself? Same goes with our Highrate version of RO. We have leet gears, we have high HP and stats, and we got the pre-buffs system. Since everything is easier to get than in low rates, we should understand the damage gap the we possess. Like every MMORPG in this millenia, RO is sadly a standard RPG. The more damage the opposing character has, the most likely we strive to shield away from it. We try to balance what we do not possess by taking in added strength from other resources. However, although they were buffed, the percentage of losing is still there. I mean, if they prepared in advance so as to shorten their battle capacity, isn't that a valid tactic? The opposing party can do so as well. Get it now? And you said they DISABLED pre-buffing in low rates? Prove what good it did. I mean, who would want to play in a server that cancels the buff you prepared before going into PvP/WOE/LMS. Wouldn't that give the advantage to the ones who were already lions (and most likely make an excuse with honor and shit). Yes, there is the duels of true honor in this server, but there is also a battle of tactics. If you want a fair and non-buff reliant duel, then say so. But in a free-for-all match, everything is possible. In the true spirit of our previous Lowrate lives, we would always remember that we once asked for buffs in desperation to win against an ambush or against a player who is trying to prove himself strong. There are no standards in PvP, and most certainly no rules on winning. Its just put up or shut up. Unless you haxed yourself to do 9999999 melee, then everything else is fine, including pre-buffing. You never had a point son, only misconceptions. There was never any cheating, only misunderstandings. Everyone used buff bots every once in a while, so there is no denying that they they took benefit from it. GMs, I humbly appeal that you read this carefully, because this statements of mine is the deciding factor of my defense in the matter of pre-buffing. Imagine what those thousands of lowrate players do if the PvP stations prevented them from pre-buffing. Wouldn't they get raped by unconditional means? Sure, the higher leveled players could buff too, but that doesn't change the fact that the oppressed players had a chance even in smaller quantities to win against the other players. Destroy that concept and there will be hell... Or most likely bad rumors about that server being gay and all.

You take away our freedom to pre-buff ourselves in desperate times (with the exceptions of fair and agreed dueling), then you take away the true essence of RO if you really knew what you are talking about. If you disable our ability to buff before a tight battle, then you've lost your senses and you were blinded by false appeals. I might agree to the removal of any hacks in this server (buffbots, hacked camera angles/ WOE damage hacks/ and Auto-AD script), but please, DON'T YOU DARE remove our freedom for a pre-emptive strike. Its not a strategy limited to us alone... ITS A STRATEGY THAT THE FOUNDERS OF RAGNAROK BUILT FOR EVERYONE'S ENJOYMENT.

And yes Gilgamesh, it has always been a cooperative play sadly. If it weren't, then there's no WOE/LMS/Guild War/Capture the flag/and Poring ball. Remember that there is no "I" in a team. It is what balance is made for. Got oppressed by a stronger opponent? Make a faction for yourselves and seize the glory. Plan and dominate, not just dominate because you did it alone. You and your companions did it together. If you want me to prove you wrong a thousand times, then I will. By all that represent MMORPGS, I will prove you wrong everytime.

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Jul 24 2007, 08:07 PM

Rules haven't been modified. Buff bots are high customized macros; you do not need to use open kore nor visual kore, until we decide if we will allow them or not I cannot support neither parties. I don't recall ever approving of anything that allows you to do extra damage or see damage in WoE.

Not approved? I recall somewhere having this "approval" of yours. Even if it wasn't approved, why does it exist? Why does it continue to be used in this server? Remove all the hacks you find, but I'm damn sure you can't remove our freedom for a pre-buff in PvP. Sure take away the harmless buff bot, but not everyone's rights for victory. You heard me right. EVERYONE can have that chance. Take it all away that you think is illegal but not our legal rights.

I'll say it again, "Yes, buff-reliance is wrong if you want to be strong, but it is Legal. Strength alone never win wars. Sure, you may be the best in non-buffed duels, but you can augment that strength too using buffs in desperate times. If you think your skill alone can win against a whole guild or party in LMS, then think again. Ganging is also cooperative play so expect them to use every means to take you down. Don't you buff yourself too before going to PvP? Face it, you need those buffs too. Everyone does. Removing it is as dumb as bullcrap. Don't talk to me about skills because I have it too and so does the remaining 200 people in this server. But what you're doing is ruining a good server. Don't deprive yourself of the things that might come in handy to you as well in the future. Stop being childish and let us play the game we all love."

Once again, its checkmate for you kind sir. By the screenshots you posted, I can see that indeed, you got pwnt. Its their right too am I correct? Why not form a party too and take them out with the same strategy. If you call yourself a true fighter, then quit crying and do something. Its PvP, and you don't seem to lack good gears either. You don't look like a newbie yourself, so why should we give mercy on your appeal? Its a PvP raid, so its natural. If everyone were friends, then what is PvP for? Sure enough, you know what I mean right? Instead of complaining, FIGHT back and show them you're a man with the plan.

[Hrist]

I know that it is illegal by now. But if you read my whole post correctly, I am willing to have it removed, just as long as they don't remove our rights of pre-buffing before going into PvP. Analyze it correctly man, and not give false supports. Or else, I will post and post until I remove that idea out of this thread. Buff bots can go, but never, EVER, remove our chances of pre-buffing. In all honestly, TELL ME WHATS WRONG IN USING LEGIT SKILLS to power yourself up?! Tell me! Remove the macros, auto-AD/ and haxed WOE clients, but never that option. Just that.

[Sensation]

Keep on topic, say whether the buff bots should be allowed or not and give arguments.

Don't point to any other guilds it's not about them, it's about the buff-bots only.

If you guys go off-topic again and pick on other guilds/players, your warning level will increase.

Final warning to everyone, no matter what guild you are.

[Hrist]

Am I picking on anyone? Does my statements look like a joke? I'm trying to prove a point here. Tell me in all honesty whats imbalanced in pre-buffing and buffbots? Seriously answer me with your full mental capacity because I'm wasting my time explaining.

Buffbots MIGHT be wrong, but whats WRONG WITH LEGIT BUFFING then? Devastating? Tell me.

[Sensation]

Hrist I wasn't just talking to 1 person, it was a general comment to everyone posting here.

Sorry if I offended you in any possible way.

Also clearing something up, there is no WoE damage script, it's called a hex-edit (a change of "75" to "EB").

I was thinking of making one for the server, but people complain too much already.

[Clay]

After reading through pages and pages filled with essays. I support removing the buff bots but removing buffs once you enter PvP etc, in my opinion just won't work.

[Hrist]

Okay okay, so maybe you got me on the illegality of bots. Well, its not the only thing illegal here isn't it? Since the buff bots being illegal is the only decent defense you have against mine, then I'll take it into consideration as well. So the harmless buff bot has finally been noticed while the other illegal scripts weren't. How sharp! I'm impressed. Now, I'm positive the GMs knew what to do right? They should remove ILLEGAL stuff from our server right? Buff bot might be a bot, but if you wanna talk about Illegalities, then shouldn't we make a campaign to remove the other macros as well? I mean, there are other illegalities here right? Shouldn't we remove those FAR MORE dangerous ones too? Poor buff bot isn't the only harmful one is it? Lets remove it all for balanced gameplay. Even dual clienting is illegal and not implemented in some servers unless they forcibly hack the registry right? I am no dumb cookie since I know it well. Why don't we remove it too? Buff bots and other "illegalities" should be removed if you're claiming that it does harmful effects to our server right? I hope you understand that I am not making just empty statements out of nothing right? I do hope so. Between right and wrong, "legit" and "illegalities", shouldn't you rethink carefully of your statements before making attempts at masking your ideas with false illusions of balance? I mean, if our good ol' buff bot doesn't do anything BUT devastates the server according to our righteous players, then shouldn't we rethink about the much MORE devastating relatives of buff bot too? Make buff bot stay at least since he's pretty much harmless anyway. But if you plan on attacking me with your so-called "illegalities" then I'm expecting to get your ass handed right away.

Thank you for your time.

[geldaz]

First of all, there is no such thing as buffwhores in low rates.

Actually there are. In low rates and even in officials.When I still used to play iRO It was pretty comun to find Hight Priests saying ''Will be Buff whore for money'' and such stuff like that..

Do you find it fair on fighting a player that has all the buffs on the game when you'r simply doing all by yourself,and you happen to die,get fucking made fun of? I know know,Good players should always be prepared,but you gotta understend my point,that ALL the buffs in the game makes a HUGE BOOST in PvP. Buff bots is just as Hunt bots. Hunt bots beneficies the PvP too doesn't it?If you go by the fact that MOST of the hunt bots farm berries,Hunt Bots sure do help alot in matters of PvPing.

I'm agaisn't the removing pre-buffs ,but I sure agreed with removing Buff bots. WoE dmg Script ?Just as Sensation said,its a hex-edit.Why would it give an edge? Even though I never used and I will never try it,I think it's the same.You,people who don't use it,still see people animations changing elementals ((When it's a elemental that does animation ofcourse)) don't you?Don't try saying it gives an edge on the damage over the emp. You can just go on ratemyserver.net ,check emp proprieties and use the correct cards acording to the information in there.And,resuming all this thing,you can get it easily.

Don't take my posts kinda offensivly or don't judge me by my grammar because I'm Portuguese and I'm 13,that says enough.

[Risk]

The poll question seems to be confusing for me. If I disagree with the Buff Bots, should I vote for Yes? or No?

Should we or shouldn't we allow buff bots?

- I think I can say Yes, the Buff bots shouldn't be allowed.

- I can say No, the Buff Bots should be allowed.

[Hrist]

What I meant to say with buffwhores are the people hated for having too much buffs. I've never seen people complain in iRO for buffing, only in special instances like fair duels. But buffs are treasures there.

Oh sure, more honorary talks. Its honor this, honor that to you, when there is absolutely no relevance to the topic. You're trying to get rid of the buffs, not the buff bots themselves. The buffs stays in and out of PvP okay? Whether being given by a buff bot or not, they are all legit and usable skills. Whatever skill it is, even if it boosts you in a multitude of times, as long as its legal, then it stays. You are contradicting yourself in many ways. Buffs aren't biased by all means because its accessible to everyone. Newbies get boosted by buffs, and same effects for the higher levels. It isn't the high levels/better equipped that benefits from it. Everyone does. Now get back on topic and discuss about buff bots. I'm pretty much disappointed already on how ignored my points are in this thread. Discard the ideas of removing the pre-buffing in PvP, and concentrate on the discussion on hexed clients/macros/bots.

And yes, seeing your damage in WOE is an advantage just so you know. Others can't see their damage, so it would be harder to decide on anything. Those who see their damage gets lowered/increased can obviously adapt better to the situation. How can this be ignored as much as you give attention to buff bots? Think hard.

@GM Risk

http://forum.forsaken-ro.net/index.php?s=&...ost&p=27323

[Confidance]

When you use openkore on official, how do you get banned for it?

You send the bot to hunt monsters.

When you have the recources and time to create an FCP bot, however, it is a different matter. Bring yourself to a private location, set a less obvious cool down and wait time on FCP, and it will fcp you conveniently. You won't get banned.

If you have the recources and time to make and support the buff/fcp bots, there will always be a way, it is just the main requirement. It's a high rate, we get 255 in a day, find 600 glistening coats in an hour, and we're not out there botting monsters, we're just making a creator stand in town and FCP us. If you want to do it on official, just make it look like you're dual clienting, if they had a way to detect openkore, you wouldn't see so many bots on iRO.

If for some idiotic reason, dual clienting is not allowed, there is still no way to prove whether or not you are dual clienting, or your friend surfing the internet on his other comp is FCPing you on que.

[geldaz]

Now it starts to confuse me.. I voted no,the buff bots shouldnt be allowed.. But it starts to be confusing now.