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[L2Aim]

From what I have seen, all highrates have the risk of running high on three classes: Assassin, Paladin, and Champion. Why? Because 1) Assassins are basically cleansweepers, 2) Paladins can be Godly tanks, and 3) Champs are one-hit KOs.

One might wonder why WOULDN'T you want to play Assassin? One of the highest HP mods in the game (Second only to Lord Knight I think), a skill that makes potentially crappy damage 4 times better, defensive skills like hide, backslide and cloak, skills that deal massive damage and can be spammed even from range and while hiding, dual wielding (potentially 8 card slots as opposed to 4) .. I've always felt that Gravity seemed a bit partial towards Assassins.

I can see why other class pros would be bitter since this all seems so appealing to countless PvPers who are just bloodthirsty.

Not that you are bitter. I just know that I am sometimes. D:

Simple, be original.

**

Learn to play without having to press the following buttons:

Cloak, SB, backslide, ygg, cloack.

Rinse and repeat.

There isn't only SB sins?

Cloak, auto-attack @ 195 ASPD with double daggers and double attack, backslide, ygg, cloak.

Rinse and repeat.

**

That's my view on sinx, I could make one that might totally suck at killing people,

but I can assure, the emp will be broken before you guys rushed to me.

So far no sinx has even been close to be a good one, none ( I do respect Damascus his style of defensive sin but meh).

[Grim]

Lmfao. Don't condescend me after I agreed with you. And since when was originality something everyone, especially PvPers, in RO aimed for? Why do you think there are guides with exact stats/equips on how to play certain classes?

My question was rhetorical - outlining the main pros of why someone would want to play a Sinx, why it is so overplayed, and why it won't stop being overplayed.

GL though.

If originality was the purpose of this server, PK wouldn't be enabled until 255, and not in maps commonly used for leveling.

Oh, and I get you - I can be bitter sometimes.

I miss the days when my Wizard could be a useful weapon in LMS.

-sniff-

[Versace]

I'm definately not gonna read that shit but, let's try not to flame in this thread.

Funny you'd say that.

[Sapphirel]

Okay here goes another disciplinary action from me.

The thing is, Sonic Blow/SB Abuse isn't really the point of argument here. If I were a moderator, I'd most likely put this in the suggestions thread at first glance. But no. This isn't a suggestion at all. What Raph is trying to imply is that something must be done about the sudden widespread of SB sins (or any other sins for that matter) in this server. True that I might have misread and made a few wrong statements, but that was a very honest mistake. I am a Paladin, so what I probably said on my first post probably didn't appeal much to anyone of you. Now the thing is, other characters usually feel a bit unappreciated due to the overpopulation of Assassin Crosses on the server. Each time a non-"godly" character walks in, BOOM! A sonic blow sin beats the crap out of him, which brings us to the true point of this thread, KILLING EVERY SIN X on sight to serve as a "blacklisting" action to them. Why do so? Because he wanted to put the idea of being a sin x gets you killed in game. Of course there would usually be a few exceptions, and that would be people who are your friends or something like that. Most sins tend to abuse their SB/EDP crit a lot, since they already developed the mentality that people tend to choke when they activate EDP. Well, in most cases, the best thing to do is run or wait for the EDP to run out. Others dispell EDP, but they just backslide like cowardly little dogs. Again, it doesn't matter since its still part of their skills. Even SL buffs are skills and all are perfectly legal. I will most likely ignore posts from SaD guildsmen such as "Duel me" or "lets fight 1 on 1" because theres no guild member from your guild capable enough of disposing me [insert after-WOE massacre I did in anthell one week ago(Admit it, its true.)] . Now getting back on topic, I strongly suggest we dispose of the Assassin Crosses that tend to abuse themselves. I think its for their own good. I would personally inject into their minds that not every Sin has the right to step on other classes. I don't normally do this since I'm a natural pacifist, but I am doing this for the sake of this campaign. I feel unable to appreciate this game any further due to the sudden boom of Sins who ambush other people, especially the training newbies in anthell. I mean, why kill them? Sure its a PvP server, but wouldn't you feel bad if you were training then some random Sin kills you? Is that their true idea of strength? I don't think so. Even if this is just a game, keep in mind that you are still in a community and we are all citizens of it.

You have no right to act in any way you like. They might be pixel people, but still people nonetheless. I might let this slide if it was an accident(or a raid), but cussing the weaker ones and calling them names is unacceptable. Play with someone your own size please. Once again, I stand to the side of the newbies and not for anything absurd. This campaign is the best chance to do so. You can kill them if they reach 255, but not any sooner than that.

[Damascus]

Nerfing was never an idea, let's just wage a full war against Seek and Destroy, every guild, everybody, every class join hands on this one and annihilate their ass from the server so they'll have to resort to a new build and quit abusing that shit.

Grim you don't get the point though, all those other skills you mentioned do not require a Soul Link to be abused and aren't Kiel Powered to be used at their speed, they get every buff mentioned in the game to go to PvP or anywhere then just Sonic Blow, Backslide, Cloak, Sonic Blow, Backslide, Cloak, Sonic Blow, Backslide, Cloak ect..ect... and then they claim themselves best, rub it in people's faces and then when it's one of them alone, oh hell do, do they bother even killing in PvP?

they go to Ant Hell where the newcomers used to hang out which caused me to go there, track them down, kill them and kill a few newcomers myself. All in all if every guild, every person, everybody comes together to kill Seek and Destroy from abusing the damn skill, this campaign in general would end, or at least I wouldn't bother with it anymore.

Edit: Let me mention that Assassin Crosses already have Enchant Deadly Poison then comes Soul Link, natural skill damage enhancement from your normal damage etc, it's nothing like Sacrifice, AD, Asura, etc..

@Versace: No shit I'll say that, I might actually join the campaign with my HP whore LK.

[Gilgamesh]

Nerfing was never an idea, let's just wage a full war against Seek and Destroy, every guild, everybody, every class join hands on this one and annihilate their ass from the server so they'll have to resort to a new build and quit abusing that shit.

Doesn't that strategy turn you into one of them? I don't have a problem with most of them and with most of the class I play. You just have to play it right.

[Damascus]

Doesn't that strategy turn you into one of them? I don't have a problem with most of them and with most of the class I play. You just have to play it right.

No.... I never said go Sonic Blow build, I said that we all kill those [insert swear(s) that won't get me to 100% warn here] since seriously, when theres an entire guild built out of Assassin Crosses with the same build and oddly infinite FCPs/EDPs/YGGs that use only 4 skills at high amounts and base their only attacks off of 1 of those skills, they should be killed and rejected by the server.

[Gilgamesh]

The server would be really boring without them. There will always be players whom you'll dislike and you'll have to deal with them, just like everyone else in every other RO servers.

Sonic Blow isn't even overpowered in this server. It doesn't kill the target in a hit when it did in low rate servers. It's not even spammable even with 3 Kiels.

[Frillybum]

GO NINJAS!!!

[L2Aim]

It's not about pure SB sins, you guys don't understand what I said.

Thanks VapoRub for understand me for the biggest part with your first post on this page (too much to quote xP), it seems you start to get what I mean and what I want to tell the community.

But you change the subject to other classes, that's where it goes wrong.

As you all know, I am a sniper, I'm pretty good and well known on the server.

Paladins are a bitch to fight, sniper have no shield as a standard or using one while fighting totally nerves your defense and offense because we use a ranged weapon (a bow for the people who didn't know what I mean).

BUT I can tank most paladins, even with their 'sick' sacrit damage, I've fought the best pala's of the server and they all, well almost all, respect me. They don't mind fighting me, but they know it will be VERY time consuming.

The other class you mentioned, champs.

Most asura champs are starting players and you can consider them 'noob', they don't know it actually doesn't really work that good.

We all kill them and they ask the good players (good champion players), how they do it, what they do, what gears they use etc.

What you see is, most of them will change to TSS build, asura problem solved.

Ok then, SB sins, you're all talking about it, let me talk about that specific type too then.

They are totally noobs, period, if you rely on just that one build, you fail as a player (it's an opinion not a flame, nice try).

Yes they can be easy countered, you're right 'insert all those who said this here', BUT you miss 1 point.

All of you who said it, have these PRO'S to be able to counter it:

- High HP Modifier.

- Possible to Reflect much more than some other classes.

- Using a shield doesn't hurt your fighting style much as it does to 2 other classes (GS and Sniper).

So think before you talk, I can pump 200 vit and obtain a SUCKY 180k HP which still doesn't make me able to survive SB spam.

You guys are strength based classes OR use a peco which increases the weight limit.

Sniper can carry on average a max of 50 berries (I use traps, armors, boots, cloaks and other gears too), that's why it's totally BULLSHIT that you say it's easy to counter.

Now sins in general, which was my true point.

I've fought some of Seek and Destroy, they have some party name like: "SB Noob?", then I reply with, "Yes you're a SB noob".

The fight starts, surprisingly they didn't tried SB (or better said, didn't have the chance to), which was a good thing, they changed their build somewhat (I hate to admit it, but thanks for trying otherwise for once ;) ). I don't hate your guild, you guys apparently hate mine, but that doesn't matter in this case.

Then I've killed one of them and guess what, they ask a fellow friend (uhm a sinx too right???.... doh ofcourse it was another sinx, overpopulation etc), I was doing quite well dealing with them, because they didn't try to SB (The other button still worked perfectly though (ygg berries) ).

Anyway to make a long story short, some sins have changed, this topic does HAVE EFFECT.

You all say Seek and Destroy sucks, but they are the first ones who changed, not those other 'leet' players.

Change your style and/or class, try play mine and fight your previous one, come back and see if MY class is so easy to play, if it's easy to survive, to counter SB, Sac, Asura and all that shit, if you're capable of comparing it with the same class your arguments are solid, you have a point then.

So all just fuck off with, "ow just log on a different char then" or "They are easy to counter" and all that crap, that is what this is all about.

Play your char right and when you die don't fucking immediately log on your sinx, get better and learn to play (L2Play).

If you really have read all of this then you seem to be interested, thanks for reading and make a good reply.

Thanks for you time.

[Sapphirel]

I decline in this campaign as well. I only did this for the sake of the training newbies at anthell. Anthell is my favorite hangout and I protect it AT ALL COSTS. Whether its a nasty team of gangers, or just some annoying prick who wanted to have their fun, I stand ready for anything.

Oh and by the way, the statement "Play a Sin and you will fail as well" caught my eye. Thank you bandit for that one. I played Sin x as my secondary class (Sniper being my first), and it was fairly hard. I had to watch myself out for other classes, living out the same fear of getting destroyed like other classes. Yes it was hard playing a Sin. Sometimes, I had to carry two katars with me just in case I ran across someone with Evil Druid. I had to resort to SB sin each time crits fails. Well, I am the one who forgot what its like being an Assassin. I guess it wasn't their fault for having as much of a hard time as other classes. I realized that I was once a Sin too, and I know what it feels like when your damage is being inadequate. I refuse to take part in this campaign, but I will not hesitate to kill anyone who try and harass the training newbies in Anthell.

PS: Ninjas are HARDER to kill than sins by all means.

[L2Aim]

Damn traitors D:

[topgun]

Thats the price you pay for playing a high rate server.

Unbalance occurs, the game wasnt ment to go past lv 99.

every class has some sort of counter...

it's all about who gets the first hit, while if a sniper gets the first hit u may not kill the sin x but u can repel him and keep your distance.

get a sin x card, very helpful, and speed potion with wings, means u can walk without getting hit out of cloack easy, you also have snare. etc etc.

its unfair a class can dish out 300-400k damage with a push of the button sure, but you just have to find a counter that works for you.

now a party of sonic blow seek and destory sins, thats a different story, no one on the server can take that on, no matter how good you are.

Also card combo counters exist , if your willing to replace a few cards in your slots, depending on your class.

Im not for the thread.

I made a Sonic blow sin x myself, with all the best gear u can get with out a thana, and i didnt find them that great....and i was scared of paladins.. but thats just myplaystyle and me. they arent unbeatable i can say.

as for wearing shields etc etc class vs class skills, and weight limit etc, the game wasnt ment to be over 99, thats why unbalance occurs.. cant be helped.

[Damascus]

Not too unbalanced. All you need is a Valkrye Randrigs card on weaponry, a sight clip, Thara Donation Shield, 2 OLs so the attacker won't spam SB on you (they'll fear reflect a bit) and then just start poking them until you Dispell. Eventually they'll run away like cowards and enable you to kill them. If possible, strip/break their weaponry first, THEN Dispell and THEN finish off. I usually do that now.

[Sapphirel]

Based on the Seek and Destroy guild duel against Influence last time, I'd say Paladins didn't do much against them event with full 135% reflect. Their coordination were superb (a whole net cafe of a**holes bragging about them being the best), having everything prepared by all means possible, meaning to say having SL buffs, FCP, and other stuffs. They kept on SBing everytime, and my reflect was completely useless. They should have been dead already but Kaizel probably prevented them from falling. I saw myself tanking 5 SB sins at the same time, all with Kiels and deadly YGG rates. I can survive 2 SBs, all of it dealing around 300k-400k damage, but 5 SBs is simply overkill. And if they did die by reflect, they'll just stand up again because of SL buffs. Yes dispel makes them run away, but they come back later with more YGGs and more SL buffs. Its just pointless trying to struggle.

That was against our 2 Profs, 1 Champ, and 2 paladins. And they said "No need to fight now. Our team already won."

Like TopGun said, you just can't beat their party of 5 SB sins and 1 LK. Unless you bring the whole other guilds to kill them. But simply put, SB has become a whole lot deadlier compared to Sac and Asura. Unlike Sacrifice and Asura, SB can have a specific element, meaning to say, they can get past GR. If you haven't seen it yet, try SB coma build made popular by one of the SaD members.

I really don't give a damn about this campaign, but I will get back on every SB sin from SaD soon. Just you wait.

[NiDo]

Based on the Seek and Destroy guild duel against Influence last time, I'd say Paladins didn't do much against them event with full 135% reflect. Their coordination were superb (a whole net cafe of a**holes bragging about them being the best), having everything prepared by all means possible, meaning to say having SL buffs, FCP, and other stuffs. They kept on SBing everytime, and my reflect was completely useless. They should have been dead already but Kaizel probably prevented them from falling. I saw myself tanking 5 SB sins at the same time, all with Kiels and deadly YGG rates. I can survive 2 SBs, all of it dealing around 300k-400k damage, but 5 SBs is simply overkill. And if they did die by reflect, they'll just stand up again because of SL buffs. Yes dispel makes them run away, but they come back later with more YGGs and more SL buffs. Its just pointless trying to struggle.

That was against our 2 Profs, 1 Champ, and 2 paladins. And they said "No need to fight now. Our team already won."

Like TopGun said, you just can't beat their party of 5 SB sins and 1 LK. Unless you bring the whole other guilds to kill them. But simply put, SB has become a whole lot deadlier compared to Sac and Asura. Unlike Sacrifice and Asura, SB can have a specific element, meaning to say, they can get past GR. If you haven't seen it yet, try SB coma build made popular by one of the SaD members.

I really don't give a damn about this campaign, but I will get back on every SB sin from SaD soon. Just you wait.

wow do we have 5 SB sinx there?

we are only 4 named NiDo ForTiFide (normal type sin x), ~Ryusin~ (SB type), ~IdealChick~(crit type), BurdeN(SB type).

im the one tanking all ur champions, profesor and palladins also you high wizard and sin x during that war. why would we all use a normal build there if u got 2 profesors and 2champions also with 2pallies. we are just thinking good strategy to overwhelmed in that war. also when i changed into an LK name [P]romi[L][K]i[D] and no one wants to attack me why? coz of my stone cursed armor. one more thing you a sniper sniping us and stripping our items so we decided to use a FCP buffs. also i am not using a soul linker buffs and priest buffs only ~Ryusin~ and Burden are buffs by link and you got a profesor to dispel them so why are you complaining about that. a war between 4 vs 8......

[~RyuShin~]

Thats the price you pay for playing a high rate server.

Unbalance occurs, the game wasnt ment to go past lv 99.

every class has some sort of counter...

it's all about who gets the first hit, while if a sniper gets the first hit u may not kill the sin x but u can repel him and keep your distance.

get a sin x card, very helpful, and speed potion with wings, means u can walk without getting hit out of cloack easy, you also have snare. etc etc.

its unfair a class can dish out 300-400k damage with a push of the button sure, but you just have to find a counter that works for you.

now a party of sonic blow seek and destory sins, thats a different story, no one on the server can take that on, no matter how good you are.

Also card combo counters exist , if your willing to replace a few cards in your slots, depending on your class.

Im not for the thread.

I made a Sonic blow sin x myself, with all the best gear u can get with out a thana, and i didnt find them that great....and i was scared of paladins.. but thats just myplaystyle and me. they arent unbeatable i can say.

as for wearing shields etc etc class vs class skills, and weight limit etc, the game wasnt ment to be over 99, thats why unbalance occurs.. cant be helped.

your correct TopGun is you are a true SB that is in your style, Build, Item etc...

Based on the Seek and Destroy guild duel against Influence last time, I'd say Paladins didn't do much against them event with full 135% reflect. Their coordination were superb (a whole net cafe of a**holes bragging about them being the best), having everything prepared by all means possible, meaning to say having SL buffs, FCP, and other stuffs. They kept on SBing everytime, and my reflect was completely useless. They should have been dead already but Kaizel probably prevented them from falling. I saw myself tanking 5 SB sins at the same time, all with Kiels and deadly YGG rates. I can survive 2 SBs, all of it dealing around 300k-400k damage, but 5 SBs is simply overkill. And if they did die by reflect, they'll just stand up again because of SL buffs. Yes dispel makes them run away, but they come back later with more YGGs and more SL buffs. Its just pointless trying to struggle.

That was against our 2 Profs, 1 Champ, and 2 paladins. And they said "No need to fight now. Our team already won."

Like TopGun said, you just can't beat their party of 5 SB sins and 1 LK. Unless you bring the whole other guilds to kill them. But simply put, SB has become a whole lot deadlier compared to Sac and Asura. Unlike Sacrifice and Asura, SB can have a specific element, meaning to say, they can get past GR. If you haven't seen it yet, try SB coma build made popular by one of the SaD members.

I really don't give a damn about this campaign, but I will get back on every SB sin from SaD soon. Just you wait.

well Sapphirel you have no sportmanship....if you lose you lose if you died you died thats all...keep talking and you are lying im the only one SB sinx that time NiDo,IDEAL are normal type ewwww if Bandit saw this Topic hes the one who saw the fight Thanks Ooops and Iceey say" go get your SaD members and you guys want war then we war =)

[Damascus]

You know this campaign was discontinued right? Nobody does it and mainly since I've befriended Seek and Destroy, I doubt L2Aim will have much followers. Sorry L2Aim but apparently this thread turned to what you wouldn't like which is we did not follow you. As for Seek and Destroy, I'll see you in-game at any time, don't forget if you need help, now you could turn to me also, I'm at your aid.

[~RyuShin~]

You know this campaign was discontinued right? Nobody does it and mainly since I've befriended Seek and Destroy, I doubt L2Aim will have much followers. Sorry L2Aim but apparently this thread turned to what you wouldn't like which is we did not follow you. As for Seek and Destroy, I'll see you in-game at any time, don't forget if you need help, now you could turn to me also, I'm at your aid.

Thanks Damascus [mike]

no rape|no gang

NO SB sinx =)

[Rayray]

why does damascus hate my guild now? I am gone for about two months and I didn't know what happened or who are the new members that caused some problems...

[Hrist]

Whatever. Like I fear sins. Anyway, the only way an EDP sin would win against a full reflect pally is with *coughinfiniteygghackcough* which I know some people has. I seriously doubt a normal sin would survive against a good paladin.

This thread is crap srsly.

[Rayray]

yeah I see your point but there are only about a handful of REALLY good paladins. and there are a lot of sins that uses the same build.

to dama: ok i will ask what happened, it is hard being out of action for months and then I return and I see damascus against me ~_~

[L2Aim]

Whatever. Like I fear sins. Anyway, the only way an EDP sin would win against a full reflect pally is with *coughinfiniteygghackcough* which I know some people has. I seriously doubt a normal sin would survive against a good paladin.

This thread is crap srsly.

Funny that people normally ignore crap and now reply to it saying it is crap.

Anyway, nido also said that they said my stripping sniper was annoying them and therefore they did FCP runs(ow another buff to kill an underpowered class?).

All of you went back to classes that can use shields, just use reflect, bla bla etc etc.

But snipers die in 1 SB hit, reflect or not, it doesn't have a point trying, read the damn info I give you.

Also Topgun, don't tell me that I should use traps and all, apparently you haven't seen me play, I fight most classes and I don't even bother using PvP bow.

And I've been fighting SaD sins before, 1v1 in pvp and they died, what happened next?

Buffs, lots of buffs, yggs restocked and another friend was called.

Both died, but it doesn't stop then, change builds, weapons and more friends, that is my problem.

Stop changing to the easy '1 hit kill' builds and try to play some other class for a change, instead, respect them being able to kill you.

I don't want to brag too much, but I've been putting snipers back on track and I'm happy to see there are more people trying to play one.

It's a hard class, low hp, no shields when trying to be offensive at the same time, easy dead and quite easy to counter.

If you think what I say is wrong, then say what is wrong, no good arguements have been given so far, or at least, not much.

Also, don't make all of us charge SaD only, there are more Sins out there, some of SaD are ok, others don't, same counts for other guilds.

[Gilgamesh]

I'm working on my High Priest to counter every class, lol. My build and reflexes aren't really good at the moment though ;o

[Damascus]

I'm working on my High Priest to counter every class, lol. My build and reflexes aren't really good at the moment though ;o

High Priest fucking kick ass sir.