Removing The Reducts On The Stalker Sb/ Legendary Stalker Bow

[zergling]

how about this. leave the reductions the way they are but cause the bow to give them -30% HP when they use any headgear that gives demi resist.

[Rayray]

^ -30% hp is nothing, tao gives them 50% so they wont feel it that much

[zxcv]

I know we cant really change the effect of the bow outright. but that's really the problem. as far as I know, it is the only weapon with reducts that high. cant we just put something else in there ( a new effect) instead of the reducts?

@masternei it's not the price, all classes cost that much. hell, if i get my creator skull aura, cape, jrage, urds earrings, I will have a nearly fully geared creator that costs more or less the same as those reducts stalkers and I still won't have that reducts. and even with all those things, as a creator, I will still be killable, and like zergling mentioned, most classes need gr and tao to survive asura. stalkers practically don't. again, zergling mentioned that most reducts stalkers don't even die to asura even frozen. that just further proves that they do not need GR to survive asura.

Bottomline, if the reducts on the bow is removed or doesn't stack with usakoring and thara frog card. it won't be a problem. since 15% from bow, + 20% from king/friggs, + 10% from sacred wings + 10% from feather beret or poopoo hat = 55% reducts, same with most people having just the usakoring king shield. Now would stalkers want that? NO, OF COURSE NOT. So we really cannot make the solution "bow not stacking with anything else". Just change the effect to something else, just not demi human reduction.

I can switch it with gtb any day =D

My solution to this: Have a cap with demi human resist.

Edited November 26, 2012 by zxcv

[zergling]

cap for demi resist would be nice but it would limit other classes that don't get a bonus like stalkers. they simply need to have an HP reduction that way they become killable by other classes. the best way would be to simply remove the demi resist from the bow but people will bitch about it too much, but the fact of the matter is it's the only wep that's got demi resist isn't it? why the hell does a stalker that already get decent HP+chasewalk+backslide+double strafe+hide+preserve get demi resist on a bow? that's retarted.

[Centurion]

The bow only gives I believe 10% reductions. We cannot significantly change weapons that people have donated for, so you'll have to suggest something else. We can make it so the reductions don't stack with other things (e.g., it doesn't stack with Poring Tower hat anymore.)

Many weapons got nerfed, like LK, WS. I think this should be fixed cause its really annoying trying to kill stalkers. Not even with 2x.

Oh and I remember people complaining about Lord Knight and Whitesmith weaps, and they got nerfed. I dont really know why stalker weap can't be nerfed.

Edited November 27, 2012 by Centurion

[zergling]

because there's about a thousand stalkers and they will bitch and complain about a nerf. stalkers have stupid high resist. no class should be able to tank a frozen asura this is retarted. i have hit lord knights while they are frozen and they still die. why is it a stalker gets special treatment when they have some of the best skills in the game?

[Rayray]

only class I've seen that can be decent against reducts stalkers are clowns because of tarot. but then again, clowns can only hold a few seeds compared to stalkers. so unless you get lucky with tarot, you still lose against stalker.

So if people donated for something , we cannot actively change it? as Centurion said, I remember LK weapons getting some kind of nerf before.

what if we put reducts on ALL VALK WEAPONS if we cannot remove it for stalkers? i'm pretty sure stalkers will have NO RIGHT to complain to 15% demi human reducts on let's say the LK sword. since parry+reducts+high hp is not OP at all, since stalkers basically have the same thing, high hp, reducts and evasive skills. (end sarcasm)

[Centurion]

because there's about a thousand stalkers and they will bitch and complain about a nerf. stalkers have stupid high resist. no class should be able to tank a frozen asura this is retarted. i have hit lord knights while they are frozen and they still die. why is it a stalker gets special treatment when they have some of the best skills in the game?

People complained about LK, WS weaps and they still got nerfed.

only class I've seen that can be decent against reducts stalkers are clowns because of tarot. but then again, clowns can only hold a few seeds compared to stalkers. so unless you get lucky with tarot, you still lose against stalker.

So if people donated for something , we cannot actively change it? as Centurion said, I remember LK weapons getting some kind of nerf before.

what if we put reducts on ALL VALK WEAPONS if we cannot remove it for stalkers? i'm pretty sure stalkers will have NO RIGHT to complain to 15% demi human reducts on let's say the LK sword. since parry+reducts+high hp is not OP at all, since stalkers basically have the same thing, high hp, reducts and evasive skills. (end sarcasm)

Not even clown man, they just put GTB on and then you AV, all you do is 1.2-1.6k.

[Rayray]

^ that's my point as well, as i said ,you have to be really lucky with your tarot where they aren't using gtb yet. but then again they can always wear gtb and their reducts is still high. i already saw one stalker getting ganged by a prof and champ, he used gtb and he still live though asura. OH YEAH THAT ISN'T OP AT ALL.

[zergling]

yea it's retarted that a stalker can tank asura on GTB. since when is it okay for any class other than a full vit build pally to tank asura on a GTB. the reducts that stalkers have are completely broken and from the looks of things it's making a lot of people simply play stalker because it's easy as shit to do and nobody can do shit about them.

[Rayray]

I did 1.8k bolts on a reducts stalker, while having MB. it was 30k+ matk. NOT OP AT ALL. O_O

@zergling that is exactly what is happening. everyone going stalker because it is technically unkillable.

Edited November 27, 2012 by ZerO25

[zergling]

stalkers are broken and they need fixing any other class that would get hit by a mind broken prof with over 30k matk would take at least 3k bolts but not stalkers they get special treatment when it comes to them. the hell is this if you're going to have resist on one weapon put resist on all of them lets see how well a stalkers can handle a lord knight or a sniper that decides to roll 80% demi resist. they can't that's as simple as it gets. if a sniper uses 80% demi resist you think people will be able to kill it? i think not.

[Rayray]

I actually hit 3k-5k on 12k matk to people with normal reducts (just using usakoring king shield). with 30k matk i was able to hit someone with more than 8k bolts without imp cards yet. to normal people, i shouldve been hitting 12k+ bolts if i went pure int+ mb. and yet it hits less than 2k on reducts stalker. something is really wrong here.

again, there are only 3 solutions i see. one is to remove the reducts from the bow altogether. the other is to put a reducts cap on stalkers so that they cannot go overboard. making the bow not stack to other things is basically the same thing as removing the reducts. the third one is putting a backlash on their hp whenever they use full reducts. Like reducing their hp to 100k - 120k maximum if they had reducts so that they will still be killable.

[thePast]

Guys, it's only productive to post here if you actually, you know, suggest what we can do about it. Saying how high their redux is over and over again isn't really helpful at all. We already know there's a problem. If there are cards they're using to get magic reduction, why don't you tell us the name(s) of the problematic cards (you can do it via PM) so we can actually do something about it. Want them to only have x% of reducts?Suggest how we can achieve that. After all, this is a suggestion forum, not rant and rave. :) Thanks!

[masterneil]

Ray.. 30k matk only 8k bolt?

Jano did 8k-10k with 22k matk.. And with mb ge got around 36-40' matk and he do around 22k bolts

Wonder why u did that dmg...

And with mb jano did 6k with mb to Dress2Impress

And 1 more suggestion .. Poring tower stack with frigg,king shield,vote king shield to stalker.. They stack right?

My suggestion is make it just stack with stalkers and frigg and poring tower don't stack for other jobs..

Can this happen pls?

[Rayray]

Ray.. 30k matk only 8k bolt?

Jano did 8k-10k with 22k matk.. And with mb ge got around 36-40' matk and he do around 22k bolts

Wonder why u did that dmg...

And with mb jano did 6k with mb to Dress2Impress

And 1 more suggestion .. Poring tower stack with frigg,king shield,vote king shield to stalker.. They stack right?

My suggestion is make it just stack with stalkers and frigg and poring tower don't stack for other jobs..

Can this happen pls?

^ Read please, because i am a creator and im not using imp cards. magic attack fluctuates a lot, i did 8k on 30k matk to others, i did maximum of 14k to another. I did say more than 8k right? And if Jano himself with his full magic prof does 6k with MB to a reducts stalker when it should normally hit 22k bolts then something is wrong.

Poring tower doesnt stack anymore. with king and friggs.

And why are you suggesting something that will actually make reducts stalker more powerful again?. it was a good thing that poring tower doesnt work with king shield and friggs and you want it back again?

[zergling]

well how about this instead why not just give all other class valk weapons 15% demi resist? that way nobody can kill anyone because nobody will ever take more than 6k per hit. sounds good right? ohh wait no that's wrong because then nobody will ever kill anyone so what's the point for this being a pvp server if nobody dies? exactly right there's no point in fighting a stalker because they can hold 300+ seeds with 80% resist tanking asura while frozen and to top it all off THEY DEAL OVER 5K HITS WITH DOUBLE STRAFE WHICH THEY CAN SPAM WITHOUT KIELS. now then glad we got that out of the way. how about we get our heads out of our asses and actually nerf something that needs to be fixed such as removing the demi resist off stalker bow.

[brendanguyen]

well how about this instead why not just give all other class valk weapons 15% demi resist? that way nobody can kill anyone because nobody will ever take more than 6k per hit. sounds good right? ohh wait no that's wrong because then nobody will ever kill anyone so what's the point for this being a pvp server if nobody dies? exactly right there's no point in fighting a stalker because they can hold 300+ seeds with 80% resist tanking asura while frozen and to top it all off THEY DEAL OVER 5K HITS WITH DOUBLE STRAFE WHICH THEY CAN SPAM WITHOUT KIELS. now then glad we got that out of the way. how about we get our heads out of our asses and actually nerf something that needs to be fixed such as removing the demi resist off stalker bow.

^ I lol'd, but it's true. I was about to make a QQ thread about reduct stalkers myself.

[zergling]

well the fact of the matter is that nothing is being done when a stalker can simply stand around and tank anything that they are hit with including a frozen asura and laugh in the faces of champs something needs to be fixed.

[Veracity]

We'll review this and make a decision. Thank you everyone who gave meaningful, intelligent responses and weren't just complaining.