Sonic Blow Suggestion

[Old Navy]

i suggest for sonic blow that if you have -100% reduce after cast delay,SB can be spammed 3times...then if you reach -120% reduce after cast delay,you can spam it 4times....this is only fair considering the fact the soul linker's assassin spirit skill has been reduced to 10% increase only in SB,instead of it's original effect which was double damage and also the fact that when we are attacking,we don't have shield compared to other class...and one more thing,how come sinX Cool Girl- can spam her SB up 3-4 times,while i can't do that even using 4kiels+kitty+link....please answer...

[Mint]

I think she uses Expert Rings ^

[masterneil]

I can't spam holy light, I'm using 4 bacso, and I need holy light spam back:D

[Mint]

I can't spam holy light, I'm using 4 bacso, and I need holy light spam back:D

i think holy light is spammable with kiels

[masterneil]

@mint: i need 4 bacso to do 36k heal on the area heal, if no 4 bacso its only 7k heal area|

last time its spammable with195 aspd, and i hope the spam back:D

[Rayray]

the topic was made regarding sonic blow. if you have a different suggestion, go create another one instead of making a suggestion as an irrelevant comment. that's kinda disrespectful on the topic starter.

@topic The reason link wasn't double the damage anymore because it was so OP before. about 3 years ago i think, it was the normal effect, my sonic blow was able to hit around 45k-50k per hit on unshielded opponents. and that is on incantation samurai and not thana. PVP became boring that time since everyone is using SB, and only LKs and Pallys were able to live.

on spamming SB, as with most skills, ping is also an issue. before the patch regarding fixing BN, the max i can spam is 4. and that is the only skill aside from magic skills on my other chars that i can spam. because of ping issues, i cannot be an good Finger Offensive champ.

right now i can spam 3 SBs using elite katar, 4kiels, and expert rings and link. tbh, not that great..

My suggestion: if we cannot do anything regarding delays, I suggest making katars a one hand weapon. Spiral Pierce hits around the same as a sonic blow with the right cards, much more spammable than SB, has a better range considering it uses a spear, and used by a class with the 2nd highest hp modifier in the game, and they could use a shield. i find it a little unfair, if we cannot spam SB at least 3x and make it what it should be, a kill or be killed skill.

[Mint]

the topic was made regarding sonic blow. if you have a different suggestion, go create another one instead of making a suggestion as an irrelevant comment. that's kinda disrespectful on the topic starter.

@topic The reason link wasn't double the damage anymore because it was so OP before. about 3 years ago i think, it was the normal effect, my sonic blow was able to hit around 45k-50k per hit on unshielded opponents. and that is on incantation samurai and not thana. PVP became boring that time since everyone is using SB, and only LKs and Pallys were able to live.

on spamming SB, as with most skills, ping is also an issue. before the patch regarding fixing BN, the max i can spam is 4. and that is the only skill aside from magic skills on my other chars that i can spam. because of ping issues, i cannot be an good Finger Offensive champ.

right now i can spam 3 SBs using elite katar, 4kiels, and expert rings and link. tbh, not that great..

My suggestion: if we cannot do anything regarding delays, I suggest making katars a one hand weapon. Spiral Pierce hits around the same as a sonic blow with the right cards, much more spammable than SB, has a better range considering it uses a spear, and used by a class with the 2nd highest hp modifier in the game, and they could use a shield. i find it a little unfair, if we cannot spam SB at least 3x and make it what it should be, a kill or be killed skill.

SB Hits around double the damage of spiral piece, and I feel adding a shield would make SB assassins Overpowered, without a flaw as they will have High burst damage, high HP and the ability to use a shield. (Spiral Pierce doesn't have the same burst damage as SB has)

oh and also, LK's don't tend to use cloaking & spiral pierce.

Edited September 17, 2012 by Mint

[Cool Guy~]

yeah make a katar one hand weapon because i cant fucking survive asura with: 2 dev+sinx cape+assump+skull aura and i have 270k hp, and champ can kill easy just need touse puppetring card so i die....

[gildartz]

this topic is for sb not for holy light

shield+katar?I dont agree with this.

Edited September 17, 2012 by gildartz

[Amicable]

the topic was made regarding sonic blow. if you have a different suggestion, go create another one instead of making a suggestion as an irrelevant comment. that's kinda disrespectful on the topic starter.

@topic The reason link wasn't double the damage anymore because it was so OP before. about 3 years ago i think, it was the normal effect, my sonic blow was able to hit around 45k-50k per hit on unshielded opponents. and that is on incantation samurai and not thana. PVP became boring that time since everyone is using SB, and only LKs and Pallys were able to live.

on spamming SB, as with most skills, ping is also an issue. before the patch regarding fixing BN, the max i can spam is 4. and that is the only skill aside from magic skills on my other chars that i can spam. because of ping issues, i cannot be an good Finger Offensive champ.

right now i can spam 3 SBs using elite katar, 4kiels, and expert rings and link. tbh, not that great..

My suggestion: if we cannot do anything regarding delays, I suggest making katars a one hand weapon. Spiral Pierce hits around the same as a sonic blow with the right cards, much more spammable than SB, has a better range considering it uses a spear, and used by a class with the 2nd highest hp modifier in the game, and they could use a shield. i find it a little unfair, if we cannot spam SB at least 3x and make it what it should be, a kill or be killed skill.

I kind of like this +1 (tempting to say "Hell Yes")

SB Hits around double the damage of spiral piece, and I feel adding a shield would make SB assassins Overpowered, without a flaw as they will have High burst damage, high HP and the ability to use a shield. (Spiral Pierce doesn't have the same burst damage as SB has)

oh and also, LK's don't tend to use cloaking & spiral pierce.

Well, if you think about the hp....sinx have about 200-250k I would say, while LK's have 280k+ and besides LK have auto guard, and all those other buffs....

[Cool Guy~]

Ok go to pvp room and duel a champ with full buff and 2 deviling if u see u survive asura, and like we know champ ill use puppetring card =)

[Rayray]

We had given the long range classes a one hand bow(and gun and shurikens). Desperado is easily spammable and that damages more or less the same as SB. What I was suggesting is basically a trade off. if we cannot get any kind of compensation regarding SB spam(which needs 4 kiels, a link, a valk weapon and probably expert rings to achieve what can be achieved before with just 3 kiels and expert rings) then SB sinx is a dying class. people who will suggest double deviling against champs really haven't used an SB sinx. without any kind of protection for Puppetring, if we cannot kill the champ in one spam of SB(2-3 is the most common we can do now), then we die. unless you have thana and they are not using skolls, the best you could achieve with SB is 16k-18k each hit on shielded opponents(and that is with full buffs and they are just wearing the shield+usakoring as reducts).

I am suggesting it as an alternative if the delay wouldn't be fixed. if it would then don't make it a one hand. honestly, a one handed crit sinx would do more damage than an SB sinx right now, so i don't really get what the fuss is about if we give katar users a shield.

Edited September 18, 2012 by ZerO25

[Cool Guy~]

what about the other people don't have thanatos card??

[Rayray]

my incant damage of sonic blow on shielded opponents(not going full buffs, only using link) is 12k-13k max, going 16k-18k if i do full buffs and go full str, most of the time it's 9k per hit(this is on normal gear donation gear, not using the new accessories, most of the time im using expert rings to cut the delay) depending on the opponents gear. TBH i would rather have a fix on the delay, i find shielded katar users weird for some reason, i just put the one hand katar as an alternative but i think most of the community wouldn't like it anyway :p

Edited September 18, 2012 by ZerO25

[Mint]

my incant damage of sonic blow on shielded opponents(not going full buffs, only using link) is 12k-13k max, going 16k-18k if i do full buffs and go full str, most of the time it's 9k per hit(this is on normal gear donation gear, not using the new accessories, most of the time im using expert rings to cut the delay) depending on the opponents gear. TBH i would rather have a fix on the delay, i find shielded katar users weird for some reason, i just put the one hand katar as an alternative but i think most of the community wouldn't like it anyway :p

12k-13k so lets say.. 12.5k

12.5 * 8 = 100k

3-4 times = 350k.. in a short space of time

But i think that the delay should be fixed, so that SB sinx can use fsold

[Rayray]

well, with math how can I argue? kidding aside, champs do that same amount of damage too btw. and they are not as hindered as SB sinx(they can use shield).

[Mint]

well, with math how can I argue? kidding aside, champs do that same amount of damage too btw. and they are not as hindered as SB sinx(they can use shield).

Champs do around 130k asura's with the normal equips, and it takes longer to spam 3 asura's than 3 SB's

[Rayray]

But does being a little faster justify the penalty of not having a shield?

[Mint]

But does being a little faster justify the penalty of not having a shield?

Alot faster* and double the damage so.. i'd say yes?

[Zeal]

Remember guys: LK can't spiral with Parry on. Sonic Blow hits 8x, Spiral Hits 5x. You can use Thanatos with Sonic, not Spiral. Sinx also has great escape tools such as backslide/cloak that LK does not.

You have to consider everything when comparing the two. I'm inclined to disagree with 1 hand katars.

[Old Navy]

ok,so what is the use of kitty claw donation katar with no special effect whatsoever except for that -10% in after cast delay if SB can't be spammed for at least 3-4 times?and what will be the use of that "cursed assassin cross ring" with -5% in after cast delay and +10% in SB if that skill can't be spammed in the first place?and one more thing,most LK's now are Bowling Bash type and really hard to kill because of that parrying skill + shield.i really agree to zero25 to put back the SB like before because it's really a kill or be killed skill..

[Rayray]

If we consider everything, then LKs would win hands down. Like Old Navy said, most LKs now use bowling bash because of the valk weapon(which was supposedly a 2 handed weapon, now it is one handed). now they can use parry and the shield? add 2 hand quicken with that and they save a few stat points. SB sinx are more vulnerable now considering we had to use 4kiels, kitty claws, a link, probably WS buffs to add to the damage since we cannot spam as efficiently as before, and we had to use expert rings(which cuts our damage since we cannot even use old str belts) and we cannot use a shield while every class now can. slap on a puppetring and you win against an SB sinx. hell, a highwiz with an elite weapon could even kill a fully geared SB sinx.

[TensaZangetsu]

increase the dmg on kitty claw by 35%

[Rayray]

@Old Navy is that you randoming yesterday on for_fild? nice damage and spam btw, but as you see, if people are wary and alert and is using even just a shield(I was the stalker Shadow Zero and im only using fshield+usakoring) they would live through the damage.

[Old Navy]

yes zero,im the SB sinX you saw the other day,before i was using 3 kiels only,being one kiel on Ship Captain Hat to get 20% more damage.But know,i had to use VH(w/ 2kiels),needs to sacrifice one STR 40 acce for expert ring+ link in order to get 3 spams...i just compensated on the damage by using Ws Buffs..but the Ws buffs was not enough for the lost 40 str and ship captain hat...and i dun have a shield for goodness sake!so really,SB spam needs to be put back like before...