Lets Talk About Magic Stalkers

[Yeung]

Arguably the most overlooked class in the game. I've said it time and time again BUT A BROTHA CAN'T GET A WORD IN >:[

Before anyone says "You've done this before" I know I have, thank you very much.

But that was just about their new weapon, WHICH IS STILL HORRIBLE AS OF TODAY. I didn't even get to put in my final suggestion for the weapon due to my absence, and the thread is locked now.

Which is all the reason I need to start another threaddddddd yuuuu feeellll meeehhh~

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Now I know I've been gone for a while, and now there are even more changes to the server, some good some bad yadda yadda.

Yet barely ANYTHING has been done to help Magic Stalker out a bit.

AN ENTIRE NEW SET OF WEAPONS, WITH NONE INTENDED FOR HELPING MAGIC STALKERS Shit even the ninjas got somethin' to help them out, and they were ( And STILL are ) pretty legit in the first place..

And the Whitesmiths. HOLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYY CHRIST THE WHITESMITHS YO.

You GOTTA be kidding me.

I know balances aren't made with the snap of a finger, but this has been my plea for YEARS AND YEARS. And after all these years, the ONLY thing I've achieved for the class I love most, is adding a weight increase to their weapons. And it's not good enough. All the other classes are and builds are 'evolving' at a steadfast rate, and we're being left behind.

Just like ND PvP. QQ

So lemme just go over some magic stalker 'facts', for clarification. I can honestly say out of everyone on the server, I think I would know about these the most:

PROS:

+ The diversity to use a hybrid build to confuse and attack enemies with more than one 'strategy', which is the selling point of Stalkers in the first place.
+ Strip dat hoe. The element of surprise works wonders for us.
+ Due to backslide and cloak, hard to be cornered by melee classes, and even ranged classes sometimes.

CONS:

- The same diversity that helps us, also brings our downfall. Trying to cram too much into two different things often spreads yourself thin, and makes you weak at both.
- FCP + GTB = Instant Defeat, unless you use drastic, unorthodox methods that obviously barely have a chance in hell of working ( Edge, OH WAIT GTB. Or maybe you could run around for 10 minutes and wait til' it wears off LIKE A THUG. Too bad they'll most likely tele out. ) or sacrificing yourself ( I.E Reflect with Orcs ).
- Barely have any equipment that supplements their magical abilities. For instance, the Winter Scarfs give Thiefs a bonus of STR/DEX + 20, which is obviously for melee/ranged Stalkers and Assassins, and barely help magic stalkers.
- Our best defense is not to be hit.
- Elemental reductions ruin our offensive capabilities even more, even without GTB.
- Maya is a pain, and AoE spells can't kill people without being out-healed.


From my nganalysis, you can clearly see we SUCK in most situations involving anyone who knows what they're doing.

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Change can't happen over a day, at least not in fRO. Though through small steps I think the build I love most can be saved from this horrible tragedy.

And the first step is to CHANGE THAT DAMN SWORD. Which brings my suggestion for the Stalker Black Oriental Sword:

The current stats are, 20+ INT, MAX HP + 20%, MATK + 35%, MAX SP+ 15%, Level 10 Enlarge Weight, 30% Chance of Reject Sword on ATK, 5+ ATK SPD, and Unbreakable.

I request one or more the following changes:

+ Add another magic skill to the sword. o=One OR MORE of the following skills, being reasonable about them of course, would certainly help. --> Soul Breaker - Lightning Spear Of Ice - Acid Demonstation - Storm Gust - Meteor Storm - Jupital Thunder - Stone Curse - Mind Breaker (Yeah, mind breaker. ) - Crimson Fire Formation - Dragon Fire Formation - Falling Ice Pillar - Lightning Crash - Magic Crasher. ALMOST ANYTHING WOULD HELP TREMENDOUSLY.

^^ Out of all of these, I think LSI would be the obvious choice. For people who say we wouldn't need Kiels and we would be cheap, WE STILL NEED KIELS FOR EVERYTHING ELSE like I dunno... uh.. STRIP? Or our possible new SECOND SPELL?

^^^ Soul Breaker with a damage increase would be a pretty cool idea too.

+ Add Defense to the Sword. Soaring Bird has 20%, AND ITS A BOW. Why doesn't the sword?

- In light of a defense increase, take away Reject Sword. We can cast that our damn selves.

+ A chance to coma with melee would be nice, even though it's barely useful.

+ Increase ATK spd to 10+ We already have to waste enough points on INT and DEX, so we barely have anything left for HP and AGI. It would help more than you think.


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With this, I think we can stand an honorable chance against today's super-powered, nearly invincible class strategies that have nothing to do with luck like ours.

Peacey P out, ya'll biscuitheads~

Edited October 19, 2011 by Yeung

[Yeung]

Just finished editing. Let your opinions fly brothas and sistas.

[Sorrow]

Splendid :D

i agree and put N reasonings along with the other suggestions in the past. Magic stalkers can be a lot of fun, but they suffer far more than any other of the magic classes specially for the fact that they don't have spells of their own.

i agree on adding the spells Lightning Spear of Ice and Meteor Storm, both at level 10.

This combinations seems to be the most logical seeing as Meteor Storm will give them their AoE needs while LSoI will give them their one target needs, professors have double bolt that's the superior skills for single target magic along with TS and HD for AoE uses, and wizzards have an arsenal of AoEs along with their Amplification and JT for their One Target sniping.

MS is a very tempting spell for being excellent, that will most likely make stalkers who do the magic build must having kiels.

Having MS and LSoI from the weapon, they can focus their Plagiarism on getting an anti-GTB skill; we live happily ever after :D

[Yeung]

Though I think that's a nice combo, it seems a litttlllleee over bearing considering we could use Acid Demo with it.

We'd be like, overpowered Creators. I'm not trying to unbalance the game here. :'<

[Halion]

I agree to this just like the old one, magic stalkers ftw!

I go for the lsoi added to the wep!

Edited October 19, 2011 by Halion

[Xtopher]

I couldn't bring myself to read all of that but I disagree with adding a magic skill to the weapon. The weapon already gives amazing magic damage output and you are a stalker you can copy skills. Its the most versatile class in the game.

No QQing about dispel because you can get soul link and never be dispelled.

Angel of ghost helmet also gives some magic skills. Try introducing it into your build.

[TensaZangetsu]

i disagree because stalker dont need more POWAAAA, you kno..

[Forum~]

Arguably the most overlooked class in the game. I've said it time and time again

BUT A BROTHA CAN'T GET A WORD IN >:[Disagree. Taekwon class is the most overlooked class in the game.

But that was just about their new weapon, WHICH IS STILL HORRIBLE AS OF TODAY. I didn't even get to put in my final suggestion for the weapon due to my absence, and the thread is locked now.

Implying that your opinion has any more worth than any other player is a big no-no.

AN ENTIRE NEW SET OF WEAPONS, WITH NONE INTENDED FOR HELPING MAGIC STALKERS Shit even the ninjas got somethin' to help them out, and they were ( And STILL are ) pretty legit in the first place..

Ninjas never had anything in the first place. If you argue the magic stalker argument, don't forget there's also the gunslinger shotgun, gunslinger rifle, etc.

And the Whitesmiths. HOLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYY CHRIST THE WHITESMITHS YO.

You GOTTA be kidding me.

Agree. WS is overpowered. Who in their right mind decided to give WS pneuma? Additionally, who decided to make them Tomahawk-centric over CT-centric? Silliest "class balancing" act I've ever seen (though apparently, this issue has been resolved in another suggestion).

Just like ND PvP. QQ

LOL, if you're being serious in this day and age in FRO.

So lemme just go over some magic stalker 'facts', for clarification. I can honestly say out of everyone on the server, I think I would know about these the most:

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tl;dr, though, I can probably guess what sort of argument you made.

Seems like I'm bashing on you, but I'm not; just decided to point out some fallacies in your point. A magic weapon for stalker would be cool. I don't actually mind. Though I must say and agree with Chris, they are the most versatile class in the game.

[Yeung]

@ Chris - I didn't say anything about changing damage. We just need another skill. We obviously can't do a thing about GTB + FCP, so something to bypass that would be great or otherwise we're a lamed out build.

The funny part is, I tried PLENTY of builds with the Helm of Darkness AND Angel Of Ghost. Some worked OK, but most were spread too thin between stats and useless skills, and rendered completely ineffective.

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@Zangetsu - Bow Stalker doesn't. Magic Stalker does.

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@Forum(lol) - I don't mind your opinion at all yo; say what's on your mind. The better the argument, the better we can sift through this.

1. Taekwon's, at one point, we're looked into but got dropped out around the time of new updates, just like Magic Stalker. So I'd say they're even.

2. As the thread starter, and with my knowledge of the class build, I think my opinion does indeed have a BIT more value than most people. Though that doesn't mean I disregard ANYONES opinion, and I doubt the GM's do either.

3. I can agree with you saying Ninja's didn't have everything, but they sure had A LOT compared to this stalker build. I think Ninja is a pretty under the radar powerhouse class, who now only recently is getting exposed thanks to the new weapon. But that's my opinion, and yours is yours.

4. That's literally the first big thing I noticed when I came back. Seriously, CT and TT doing 40-50k? With Numa'? Pshhhhhhh.

5. ND PvP is washed up. And I miss it. Dearly. qqqqqqqq

6. That was actually one of my facts, that you skipped over. qq But with that same versatility comes the price of spreading yourself thin to play on two different 'planes'.You can't play left field and right field effectively at the same time y'know.

If you think we need a magic weapon, gimme detailed stats of what the weapon should have in your opinion, if you don't mind.

Edited October 19, 2011 by Yeung

[Sorrow]

Okay :3 then maybe LSoI+...Falling Lightning Strike? XD Heck i think just Lsoi would do if anything else is asking for too much xP

And Creators will always deal 40% more damage with AD than a stalker can thanks to their Creator's only weapon, they won't be surpassed ;P If anything Stalkers can be Evil Creators! *Full Strip vs FCP*

Magic stalkers are fine because of the versatility...well stalkers are versatile to build once built they have a single skill...thats not really the meaning of the word 'versatility' ... i mean... a single option(that can be swapped away)? Besides, regardless of the spell they choose, GTB still is the one thing that'll stop them completely, one skill<>one solution, that's NOT very versatile either xD

Believe the evidence the eyes bring; go on for_fild or during a woe and count on your two hands how much bow wielding stalkers you meet then how much magic wielding stalkers you meet. That'll tell you really if they're fine or not ;3

If you meet one magic stalker and that's you trying to increase numbers...then we have a problem!

[Xtopher]

@ Chris - I didn't say anything about changing damage. We just need another skill. We obviously can't do a thing about GTB + FCP, s

Sorry to say this but it's kind of the road you've chosen when you go magic. Welcome to mage life. GTB and FCP screw over mages pretty hardcore. If you chose to play like a mage on stalker you have to be ready to accept the disadvantages.

My best advice is to look for a new build.

I mained stalker for a long time a year or so ago. My number one tip is this: Never depend on a skill that isn't in your skill tree. Stalkers that depend on copied skills or skills that aren't native to their skill tree are always easier to beat. A stalker who uses his own skills and chooses to copy skills that only compliment this are much more likely to win fights.

Vit/Martyr stalkers get pooped on through fcp/gr just like fcp/gtb it's just a flaw in the builds.

[Yeung]

Sorry to say this but it's kind of the road you've chosen when you go magic. Welcome to mage life. GTB and FCP screw over mages pretty hardcore. If you chose to play like a mage on stalker you have to be ready to accept the disadvantages.

My best advice is to look for a new build.

I mained stalker for a long time a year or so ago. My number one tip is this: Never depend on a skill that isn't in your skill tree. Stalkers that depend on copied skills or skills that aren't native to their skill tree are always easier to beat. A stalker who uses his own skills and chooses to copy skills that only compliment this are much more likely to win fights.

Vit/Martyr stalkers get pooped on through fcp/gr just like fcp/gtb it's just a flaw in the builds.

Lets get something straight before I go any further.

Before this post, on your last post you said this.

The weapon already gives amazing magic damage output and you are a stalker you can copy skills. Its the most versatile class in the game.

But now you're basically saying if you're not a DEX stalker, you're destined to be horrible since obviously stalkers don't have any native magic skills of their own.

Its the most versatile class in the game.

I didn't choose to suck. I choose to think outside of the box. Though currently, there IS no outside.

Stalker's are SUPPOSED to go outside of their skill trees. THAT'S WHAT MAKES THEM UNIQUE.

Magic stalker was a perfectly viable build before the server started to evolve with more reducs/resistances OTHER than GTB. Though as I said in my opening statement it seems we haven't had anything done for us from those days save for a weight increase.

Even the mages got Stave Crasher, since GTB is obviously a worse enemy to them than us. But we got left behind in the dirt and are currently wallowing in it hopelessly.

As for 'amazing damage output', I only have 1k more MATK with that the Oriental and 4 Kingrings than the normal Forsaken Magic Stalker Dagger with 4 Kingrings. Not amazing at all.

[supream]

wheres shadi's sig that says posts should be like a skirt short enough to keep someones attention but long enough to cover the detail -__-. well for the parts i did read through, no coma on weapons been discussed before. idk about adding a magic spell to the sword since theres a helm that lets you use one anyways. aspd increase is ok i guess.

[Yeung]

Well Yeung says posts should be however long as you want, especially when you're trying to explain something that's important to you.

If you don't wanna read, that's up to you but don't feel left out when you're missing the important parts.

Like the part where I said I've tried using both skill helms and they're not all that, believe me. BOth of them knock you down to 3 headgear slots, and having 2 kiels and maya or 3 kiels is a really unfair sacrifice compared to the skills that they give you.

[Bishop]

Like the part where I said I've tried using both skill helms and they're not all that, believe me. BOth of them knock you down to 3 headgear slots, and having 2 kiels and maya or 3 kiels is a really unfair sacrifice compared to the skills that they give you.

I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with this suggestion as well. Stalkers already have countless of possibilities with their ability to copy spells and their given headgears. There's several other classes as well that are reduced to 3 headgear slots to be able to get their full potential. Just because stalkers have to do that as well they deserve a boost ?

I don't get your point. A default magic build would be pretty much the same as a default acid demonstration build.... Copy AD. Use cold bolt from the helm and you wouldn't even need to get the "Half-half not good at both" kind of build. And you should remember one thing. Stalkers are supposed to be jack of all traits, master of none. Dont expect to overpower creators in their AD or wizards in their magic spells. Wizards and Creators are given those boosts because they solely depend on those skills. While stalkers have possibilities to switch build and/or skills.

[Yeung]

I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with this suggestion as well. Stalkers already have countless of possibilities with their ability to copy spells and their given headgears. There's several other classes as well that are reduced to 3 headgear slots to be able to get their full potential. Just because stalkers have to do that as well they deserve a boost ?

I don't get your point. A default magic build would be pretty much the same as a default acid demonstration build.... Copy AD. Use cold bolt from the helm and you wouldn't even need to get the "Half-half not good at both" kind of build. And you should remember one thing. Stalkers are supposed to be jack of all traits, master of none. Dont expect to overpower creators in their AD or wizards in their magic spells. Wizards and Creators are given those boosts because they solely depend on those skills. While stalkers have possibilities to switch build and/or skills.

I never said they deserve a boost because they're forced to use helms to obtain certain skills. I said it spreads them thin, and that's a known fact.

Apparently, you want us to be underpowered creators. Because lord knows someone running around with GR + GTB and massively high health can't stand up to a 2 Kiel lvl 10 cold bolt with horrible MATK, and an even shittier 2 Kiel AD. Though it seems like this build is viable at first glance, it's barely more viable than just testing your luck and HOPING that someone doesn't have FCP on, which they always do in most cases.

You don't think having to use reset stats every second to switch builds isn't a disadvantage, when the enemy is clearly going to switch his defense by clicking a few items and bam, rendered completely useless yet again. I can assure you DEX Stalker's don't have that problem at all, yet this is what I have to go through just to even have the hope of killing someone with GTB + FCP.

I never said I wanted to overpower Creator's, OR Wizard's. Early in the thread I said that if they give us LSOI and we used Acid Demo, we would probably be overpowered creators. Yet now that I think about it our AD would probably suck compared to theirs, so it wouldn't really even matter. Considering our low HP and Defense, we'd still be on the losing end.

Magic Stalker currently, given all of its so-called 'versatility', is a horrible one trick pony that's forced to be good in ONE sole thing, that will obviously be completely useless when faced with GTB, or be a shitty jack-of-all-trades that sucks at two different things. THAT'S why they deserve a boost.

Edited October 19, 2011 by Yeung

[Bishop]

I never said they deserve a boost because they're forced to use helms to obtain certain skills. I said it spreads them thin, and that's a known fact.

Apparently, you want us to be underpowered creators. Because lord knows someone running around with GR + GTB and massively high health can't stand up to a 2 Kiel lvl 10 cold bolt with horrible MATK, and an even shittier 2 Kiel AD. Though it seems like this build is viable at first glance, it's barely more viable than just testing your luck and HOPING that someone doesn't have FCP on, which they always do in most cases.

You don't think having to use reset stats every second to switch builds isn't a disadvantage, when the enemy is clearly going to switch his defense by clicking a few items and bam, rendered completely useless yet again. I can assure you DEX Stalker's don't have that problem at all, yet this is what I have to go through just to even have the hope of killing someone with GTB + FCP.

I never said I wanted to overpower Creator's, OR Wizard's. Early in the thread I said that if they give us LSOI and we used Acid Demo, we would probably be overpowered creators. Yet now that I think about it our AD would probably suck compared to theirs, so it wouldn't really even matter. Considering our low HP and Defense, we'd still be on the losing end.

Magic Stalker currently, given all of its so-called 'versatility', is a horrible one trick pony that's forced to be good in ONE sole thing, that will obviously be completely useless when faced with GTB, or be a shitty jack-of-all-trades that sucks at two different things. THAT'S why they deserve a boost.

Why would you use 2 kiels ? You need to have a maya purple on you at all times, Fsoldier maybe ? When you are using MAGIC ? As a magic stalker you're far less vurnerable with 3 headgear cards than a clown or any other class that does need to damage through physical hits and can be stoned. As said before, using the helm gives you more potential. Live with the downsides like all other jobs have to do when they use different hats to get their full potential.A 3 kiel spam on AD on a gtb user will do decent damage. This is the exact same thing creators have to live with as well, FCP and GR that is.

You dont have to switch stats every second, you can switch skills around or find a HYBRID build instead of fully focussing on magic and then find it weird people use gtb. Dex stalkers dont have that problem because they use their own skill three to the full potential. They will use that double strafe and combo it with a different skill. Going for the magic tour is YOUR decision it's not "Something you have to go through". By going magic you increase your damage output but you also increase the chance of being countered. To work around this you can try using acid demo or stave crasher OR use a hybrid build and be able to switch to bow to DS. (The dex will give you a lot of aspd when wearing the bow, needing less agi for aspd. high dex, high int , medium vit, low agi and you should be able to have a fine hybrid build.) Also considering your low HP and defence... Can I remind you that stalkers have higher HP than creators and quite some other classes ?

Last of all. Stalkers have just as much chance vs gtbers as all magic classes have (if not more). so personally I see no reason to buff up stalkers because of that. Hence my opinion. I'll leave this as my last post here cause we can probably argue on forever which doesn't really have any use :O,

Bishop

[Yeung]

Why would you use 2 kiels ? You need to have a maya purple on you at all times, Fsoldier maybe ? When you are using MAGIC ? As a magic stalker you're far less vurnerable with 3 headgear cards than a clown or any other class that does need to damage through physical hits and can be stoned. As said before, using the helm gives you more potential. Live with the downsides like all other jobs have to do when they use different hats to get their full potential.A 3 kiel spam on AD on a gtb user will do decent damage. This is the exact same thing creators have to live with as well, FCP and GR that is.

You dont have to switch stats every second, you can switch skills around or find a HYBRID build instead of fully focussing on magic and then find it weird people use gtb. Dex stalkers dont have that problem because they use their own skill three to the full potential. They will use that double strafe and combo it with a different skill. Going for the magic tour is YOUR decision it's not "Something you have to go through". By going magic you increase your damage output but you also increase the chance of being countered. To work around this you can try using acid demo or stave crasher OR use a hybrid build and be able to switch to bow to DS. (The dex will give you a lot of aspd when wearing the bow, needing less agi for aspd. high dex, high int , medium vit, low agi and you should be able to have a fine hybrid build.) Also considering your low HP and defence... Can I remind you that stalkers have higher HP than creators and quite some other classes ?

Last of all. Stalkers have just as much chance vs gtbers as all magic classes have (if not more). so personally I see no reason to buff up stalkers because of that. Hence my opinion. I'll leave this as my last post here cause we can probably argue on forever which doesn't really have any use :O,

Bishop

You were a formidable opponent. But I, the Noob King, WILL KNOCK YOU DOWN.

Why would you use 2 kiels ? You need to have a maya purple on you at all times

You just answered your own question lmao. With those crappy skill helms, if I had to keep Maya P on at all times I would only have 2 Kiels, which is horrible in most situations. 2 kiel AD and Cold Bolt isn't going to do much, as I said before. And being blind is just a no-no against most classes. I agree with you in saying that every class should have a weakness; that makes the game even and interesting. But this is much more than a weakness; it's a wall stopping us from doing anything remotely useful against most opponents.

You dont have to switch stats every second, you can switch skills around or find a HYBRID build instead of fully focussing on magic and then find it weird people use gtb. Dex stalkers dont have that problem because they use their own skill three to the full potential. They will use that double strafe and combo it with a different skill. Going for the magic tour is YOUR decision it's not "Something you have to go through". By going magic you increase your damage output but you also increase the chance of being countered. To work around this you can try using acid demo or stave crasher OR use a hybrid build and be able to switch to bow to DS. (The dex will give you a lot of aspd when wearing the bow, needing less agi for aspd. high dex, high int , medium vit, low agi and you should be able to have a fine hybrid build.) Also considering your low HP and defence... Can I remind you that stalkers have higher HP than creators and quite some other classes ?

I said 'switching builds' is something I have to go through, not being a magic stalker. Mixing my words around are we?

And it's obvious that going magic stalker is my decision, and I FULLY INTEND to stick by it. With that being said, I also intend to try and help me and the rest of this dying breed as much as I can, making sure we don't fall behind as the tides change.

Have you ever wondered why you barely see magic stalkers as much as star glads. Or maybe why there's only ONE THREAD IN THE GUIDES SECTION DEDICATED TO A MAGIC STALKER BUILD? It's from 2009, a time where we could actually do something before all the update smacked us in the face. Going by your forum join date, I dunno if you we're around for those times though. So oldschool bruuuhhh~

It's because no one has found a viable way to play them other than being a one chance class with with a lot yet NO truly formidable options. And if someone has actually found some epic build, I've yet to see that magical fairy flying around for_fild blasting everyone with his SUPER EPIC ULTRA VERSATILE HYBRID BUILDUUUUUUU that's so evened out he could stand a chance against GTB and FCP. Believe me when I say I haven't stumbled over one truly viable build, and I've been here for a multitude of years. You can try it for yourself if you really think it's that easy, because it's not.

I doubt it's because no one has 'found' a way, actually. It's because one doesn't really exist. At least not in my opinion.

ast of all. Stalkers have just as much chance vs gtbers as all magic classes have (if not more). so personally I see no reason to buff up stalkers because of that. Hence my opinion. I'll leave this as my last post here cause we can probably argue on forever which doesn't really have any use :O

Maybe DEX Stalkers, but I'm talking about Magic Stalkers which due to reasons previously stated obviously stand no chance against the juggernaut that is GTB + FCP.

DEX Stalkers can stay right where they are, but Magic Stalkers need some TLC bruh. And unfortunately, arguing is the entire point of this thread, so that we can get down to the bottom of this. Leave if you want; thanks for the input.

[.Kyuubi.]

Going magic stalker build just like going DEX stalker build has its ups and down.

Magic:

1.low dex=lowered strip rate, so what does it matter if you're fighting a high dex class? you'll most likely never strip them anyways and if you do, its not for long).

2. sure you do high damage, but then comes gtb and they pretty much just t bagged you. deal with it.

3. you're not meant to be a dominant pvp class. enough said.

4. you excell as a party member (you force gtb and or strip if they dont have fcp resulting in easy kills) thats you're roll, deal with it.

Dex:

1. pneuma fucks you. enough said.

2. you dont have very high damage. but you're also very evasive.

3&4 are basically the same.

obviously there are more ups and downs (just like every other class). and just because one player can counter you doesn't mean that every player can do the same.

[Seraphine]

I would say that if you play magic stalker or any magic class you have to be prepared to face Golden Thief Bug,it's inevitable. Magic stalker is a build/class where you think outside of the box but are punished for it,Professors share the same fate,Ninjas are perfectly fine on there own(depending on how you play them),Soul Linkers are a little different so i won't go into them but Professors have Stave Crasher while Magic Stalkers don't but Magic Stalkers do have the versatility with backslide,however if you compare Magic based Stalkers to Dex based Stalkers their a joke. Buffing the magic based stalkers won't hurt anyone at all, i can't even remember the last time i saw a Magic Based Stalker.

Adding one of these skills: + Add another magic skill to the sword. o=One OR MORE of the following skills, being reasonable about them of course, would certainly help. --> Soul Breaker - Lightning Spear Of Ice - Acid Demonstation - Storm Gust - Meteor Storm - Jupital Thunder - Stone Curse - Mind Breaker (Yeah, mind breaker. ) - Crimson Fire Formation - Dragon Fire Formation - Falling Ice Pillar - Lightning Crash - Magic Crasher.

And maybe buffing the sword stats or magic damage could help. Almost no matter what you do will make this class/build completely overpowered.

Edited October 20, 2011 by Seraphine

[Yeung]

Going magic stalker build just like going DEX stalker build

No. Just no. Please do your research.

1.low dex=lowered strip rate, so what does it matter if you're fighting a high dex class? you'll most likely never strip them anyways and if you do, its not for long).

It matters because strip is strip. At the rate you can spam it, the success rate doesn't really matter. And as for it's not for long, it's long enough for me to actually kill someone.

I don't see how this matters at all though, seeing as how the whole deal is FCP + GTB.

2. sure you do high damage, but then comes gtb and they pretty much just t bagged you. deal with it.

I'm not gonna deal with this. Every other class got buffs when they we're 'bagged' by an obstacle. Why can't we? I'll be damned to sit around and suck for the rest of my fRO career. Fuck that.

3. you're not meant to be a dominant pvp class. enough said.

Who said anything about being a dominant PvP class. I just want a fair chance, so stop shoving words in my mouth.

I'm pretty sure Whitesmiths weren't meant to be a dominant PvP class, seeing as how their primary roll in the game is MAKING things. But look at them. They gettin' payypaahhhhhhh.

4. you excell as a party member (you force gtb and or strip if they dont have fcp resulting in easy kills) thats you're roll, deal with it.

That's not my roll. That's a roll you're suggesting to me. Dealing with it is NOT in my agenda as you can see.

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If you wanna argue with me, at least do some actual research like Bishop before coming in here yelling we're not meant to be anything but backup before you get embarrassed homeboy.

[Yeung]

I would say that if you play magic stalker or any magic class you have to be prepared to face Golden Thief Bug,it's inevitable. Magic stalker is a build/class where you think outside of the box but are punished for it,Professors share the same fate,Ninjas are perfectly fine on there own(depending on how you play them),Soul Linkers are a little different so i won't go into them but Professors have Stave Crasher while Magic Stalkers don't but Magic Stalkers do have the versatility with backslide,however if you compare Magic based Stalkers to Dex based Stalkers their a joke. Buffing the magic based stalkers won't hurt anyone at all, i can't even remember the last time i saw a Magic Based Stalker.

Adding one of these skills: + Add another magic skill to the sword. o=One OR MORE of the following skills, being reasonable about them of course, would certainly help. --> Soul Breaker - Lightning Spear Of Ice - Acid Demonstation - Storm Gust - Meteor Storm - Jupital Thunder - Stone Curse - Mind Breaker (Yeah, mind breaker. ) - Crimson Fire Formation - Dragon Fire Formation - Falling Ice Pillar - Lightning Crash - Magic Crasher.

And maybe buffing the sword stats or magic damage could help. Almost no matter what you do will make this class/build completely overpowered.

i can't even remember the last time i saw a Magic Based Stalker.

I'm right here you know. Still kickin' dem phat beats.

Almost no matter what you do will make this class/build completely overpowered

That's very, very true. But that's what testing is for yknow.

Testing I'd be glad to take part in. Ohohoho~ ;I

[Sorrow]

i have an idea; why everyone who is against the suggestion and keeps trying to tell ways how it can work out, try making your own magic built stalker and feel on the flesh how 'awesome and OP and fine' they are instead of making assumptions or trying to teach the bird how to fly? :3

See if that works!

When a magic stalker starts spamming LSoI on you what you do? You put Maya or GTB and and case closed you know they can't do anything else! If they spam AD on you, you'll prolly laugh at their low damage output untill they take off your GR and then you'll come back with FCP and a /gg face.

If a WS starts spamming TT on you and you die no matter what, what you do? You come make a suggestion on the forums to nerf them...thats basicly what Yeung did, after trying many ways to make it work, it didn't! Thus he came and made a suggestion based on all the data he got from self experience.

Ranged Stalkers can and are taken seriously(in fact there's a fair number of them), why the heck a magic stalker can't get tools enough to make it be taken seriously too? Not so far as being dominant pvp class but at least viable.

[.Kyuubi.]

Hey yeoung how about quote entire sentences instead of just bits and pieces that u can try to talk yourself around (nice fail yeah :]). It's so retardedly obvious how op magic stalkers would be if you got a second skill that isnt in your skill tree (sure whitesmiths got pneuma but now its being removed for something else, they've been the underdogs for way too long).

Second, do your own research. Whitesmiths where meant to be one of the primary damaging class in pvp with cart termination with the ability to stun but high rates t bagged that idea so now we just do alot of damage. our roll is to support our party members, just like your roll is to make the enemy warry of any skills that might have to force them to use gtb and get dominated by asura or go redux and get thana raped)

[Yeung]

Hey yeoung how about quote entire sentences instead of just bits and pieces that u can try to talk yourself around (nice fail yeah :]). It's so retardedly obvious how op magic stalkers would be if you got a second skill that isnt in your skill tree (sure whitesmiths got pneuma but now its being removed for something else, they've been the underdogs for way too long).

Second, do your own research. Whitesmiths where meant to be one of the primary damaging class in pvp with cart termination with the ability to stun but high rates t bagged that idea so now we just do alot of damage. our roll is to support our party members, just like your roll is to make the enemy warry of any skills that might have to force them to use gtb and get dominated by asura or go redux and get thana raped)

I'm sorry, I quoted the things that mattered, since we're not really talking about DEX Stalkers here. Even though you we're wrong about them too, so I guess I'll go back over it JUST FOR YOU BBY <3

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1. pneuma fucks you. enough said.

Last time I checked, Bowling Bash can be copied. Get your facts straight.

2. you dont have very high damage. but you're also very evasive.

Last time I checked, 20k+ DS spammed at godlike speed is high damage. Once again, get your facts straight.

3&4 are basically the same.

3. you're not meant to be a dominant pvp class. enough said.

DEX Stalkers sure as hell are dominant enough from what I see.

4. you excell as a party member (you force gtb and or strip if they dont have fcp resulting in easy kills) thats you're roll, deal with it.

DEX Stalkers don't force GTB, only FCP. Make sure you read over your own theories before you make mistakes like this, and then blame me for not going over them when they we're stupid in the first place.

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Now, onto your current plea~

Hey yeoung

My name's Yeung. NOOB KING Yeung. >:I

It's so retardedly obvious how op magic stalkers would be if you got a second skill that isnt in your skill tree (sure whitesmiths got pneuma but now its being removed for something else, they've been the underdogs for way too long).

Hah. Funny how you're saying this with no valid proof, as such a thing hasn't been done outside of those crappy skill helms. We won't know until we try, just like Whitesmith didn't know until they tried.

Though I do agree, whitesmiths needed a buff. And so do magic stalkers~

Second, do your own research. Whitesmiths where meant to be one of the primary damaging class in pvp with cart termination with the ability to stun but high rates t bagged that idea so now we just do alot of damage. our roll is to support our party members, just like your roll is to make the enemy warry of any skills that might have to force them to use gtb and get dominated by asura or go redux and get thana raped)

Believe me when I say I've taken my time here, and have done my research. I think my VALID FACTS can back that statement.

As for Whitesmiths, they're a hybrid between support and damage, NOT a primary damage class. But fuck what their 'supposed' to be. This isn't iRO, this is FORSAKEN RO. Whitesmiths aren't supposed to have a weapon that lets them do Throw Tomahawk OTHER THAN THE TOMAHAWK are they? NO, they're not, but they do.

This is a custom, private server. Before you go on about any more 'roles', think about the fact that this server has so many custom items that those roles have been reduced to basic archtypes.

I don't have to want to walk around with a SinX at my side everytime I want to kill someone. I want a fair chance at doing something meaningful in the least by myself, without being shut down by a skill and a shield.

Oh and..

(nice fail yeah :])

If I had the time to cook you, I would. But I don't wanna draw negative attention to myself before this dilemma is over.

For the record though, my drawn Avatar has a better shape-up than the person in yours. And why the hell do you have a towel rack in your bathroom with no towels on it. No towel havin ass.