nines Posted September 25, 2011 Report Posted September 25, 2011 Well I think their should be a pre posting of what will be included in the next updated patches to give players some anticipation of what's to come. Also could make it so maybe players can veto some of the updates? Like say x isn't needed replace with y instead ( though admins can say y is to hard atm and not enough time compromise over z? ) Would be cool if it'd happen :O 1
Levis Posted October 6, 2011 Report Posted October 6, 2011 Mhm...neutrality. That sounds good, but it causes a delay for new updates if everything has to be discusses. I like it, but I guess it will hardly happen.
Seraphine Posted October 6, 2011 Report Posted October 6, 2011 (edited) That'd probably delay updates as players would argue/discuss about what's getting implemented and none of the coding is getting done. However i could agree with a pre-posting of updates but that's sort of the final product and nothing can be vetoed as like i stated would delay the updates. Edited October 6, 2011 by Seraphine
nines Posted October 6, 2011 Author Report Posted October 6, 2011 Delay? Or can just release update without that thing
Veralynn Posted October 6, 2011 Report Posted October 6, 2011 That'd probably delay updates as players would argue/discuss about what's getting implemented and none of the coding is getting done. However i could agree with a pre-posting of updates but that's sort of the final product and nothing can be vetoed as like i stated would delay the updates. Only thing I'm looking forward to is having guides and the wiki posted with the update atleast. I'm not sure if you guys use wiki-code or not, but if you do, I could volunteer to help out.
Genesis Posted October 6, 2011 Report Posted October 6, 2011 My problem with this is that its going to be a pretty big pain to code something, spend time on it, then have it "vetoed". Plus, sometimes workarounds need to be made when things are being coded. Imagine having to discuss changes like that. Also, not everyone checks the forums. Those who don't or can't will be left out of this vote. Something like this would seriously hurt any hope of efficiency we could have. Ultimately, making it so expansions are released less frequently. In my view, there is a reason that governments make decisions and not the citizens.
Levis Posted October 7, 2011 Report Posted October 7, 2011 A logical elaboration by Genesis. As I said it will hardly work.
nines Posted October 7, 2011 Author Report Posted October 7, 2011 In my view, there is a reason that governments make decisions and not the citizens. Curious about this phrase in a suggestion thread :P
Xtopher Posted October 7, 2011 Report Posted October 7, 2011 (edited) My problem with this is that its going to be a pretty big pain to code something, spend time on it, then have it "vetoed". Plus, sometimes workarounds need to be made when things are being coded. Imagine having to discuss changes like that. Also, not everyone checks the forums. Those who don't or can't will be left out of this vote. Something like this would seriously hurt any hope of efficiency we could have. Ultimately, making it so expansions are released less frequently. In my view, there is a reason that governments make decisions and not the citizens. Why not just let players know more about what you're thinking about implementing. Allow us to give feedback before it's implemented/coded. I know you guys get tired of complaining and "QQing" after you've put time and work into something. Sure, some things could and should be secrets but not everything needs to be. I don't know about the whole "Vetoing" thing but giving players a chance to voice their opinion a little before things are changed would be beneficial both ways in my opinion. Give the people what they want. I know you can't satisfy everyone but you'll get more positive reactions if we work together. The suggestion thread is nice but its only our ideas. Giving players a chance to contribute with the GM teams ideas is a great way to make progress. We all think differently and from different view points. And as for the people who don't get on the forum... You have broadcasts like every 4 minutes about visiting the forum... if they're too lazy to visit and vote on things then their opinion is void i suppose. All I'm saying is a list of things you would like to implement. For example: Hey guys we're thinking about doing these things in the next few patches: X Y Z What are your thoughts? Edited October 7, 2011 by Xtopher
Genesis Posted October 7, 2011 Report Posted October 7, 2011 There are a number of problems with running everything by players. We've tried before (voting topics), it never really worked. From that experience, the main things I've learned is that people tend to pick whatever benefits them, specifically. Sure there are always people that think in the grander scale of what benefits the server as a whole but that is the minority. Another problem is that I don't specifically have a certain time when I can work. What I mean is, things are organized at different times and then coded during different times. If I had to run everything by the community, it would take MUCH longer. If the whole idea is to have people give their inputs on future updates then you cannot exclude any part of the community. You would need to leave the topic open for at least a few days, in that time I could have already finished everything with an expansion on the way. Also, a lot of the updates tend to have a "surprise" element to it. If you knew what was coming out that would be gone. That's secondary however. The point of the suggestion forum was for you to give us ideas as to what you want. We base all of our ideas off what you say and the arguments you present. That's why there are broadcasts ingame for it. Apart from adding features (not items), everything else is run by GM(s) (who play the server) or players I trust. If you want to have a more assertive role in expansions, don't cause drama and apply for GM. I cant' think of a single update in the last 2 years where I haven't consulted someone.
