Noob School Bus Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 several problems with the new weps 1. no katar i mean hell you gave every class BUT sinx the weps(other then the daggers) 2. the prof wep is stupid and rather pointless since prof were already insaine to kill BEFORE the newest wep 3. the HP wep needs to be nerfed since a thana HP will rape any class 4. making LK too strong they can already Bbash fast as is no need to increase the damage even further 5. new pally spear is stupid since they are for one hard to kill as is and now with more vit and HP they will be even HARDER to kill and more OP 6. new WS wep is ehh should get nerfed a bit though since they are getting a ranged attack as well as massive damage increase on it AND more damage with CT with the addition of pneuma they will be OP 7. GS gun needs to be nerfed since if they GTB they pretty much cant be killed by any magic class since the wep is 1 handed as is 8. new ninja class wep is WAY to OP since final strike can be spammed as well as massive magic spam its stupid to increase them even more its giving them far too much of an advantage over all other classes 9. biochemist wep is stupid since they have AD already and now bolts with an increase from mammo? thats stupid since they for one are strong as is now they are going to be too strong for other classes also the changes to the sinx need to be fixed since SB has been changed and the damage has been reduced far too much. its making the server not worth playing since if you dont donate or aren't already ritch you cant afford anything major the economy is in the crapper MVP cards are worth next to nothing and the MVP's are so easy to kill its not worth hunting them since they are camped 24/7 and die in 1 hit from anything its not worth farming anything. the new weps are making the economy worse since everyone is trying to buy those weps and emps but other then that nothing is being sold, its either everyone already has it or no one needs it since the new weps are making them useless. there is next to no new additions that give anything for any other classes but the weps if you are going to add new weps add new armors i mean thats the only LOGICAL next step. if the balance between the classes is not fixed then just input the renewal jobs(after renewal is added(IF it is added like i have suggested several times and nothing has been done)) ohh wait that would even further increase the imbalance between classes since nothing is being done anyway. 2
FearX Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 I suggest that the MvPs have to be harder to kill, because killing them with 1 asura is kind of lame and easier to camp by geared players more than newbies. About the weapons i didn't even understand what was the point of it so I am not going to talk about that. 1
Ferocious Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 (edited) -1, you're suggestions are really bad. For you every weapon are op but they are all normal. And bio have nothing to increase there damage and there weapon are not really good right now. Edited August 1, 2011 by Ferocious
Halion Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 i seen many good non donation players around, and i doubt that they donate to be good plus i never donated and i got plenty of gears, its all about having patience and find a way to get geared. Now if you think about it the ladder is a way how these new players can gear up theirselves, selling the pvp tokens from 2nd-3rd places and every pvp token is like 300-400 each wich means you don't have to donate to be the shit in game, need to take any chance you can!
nines Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 Wow some one just sucks if they have to qq this much lol no one else has a problem. Though I do agree the Voluspa staff does kind of suck. Why not just post on your normal account so we can kos you in game for being such a dumbass also :O 1
Noob School Bus Posted August 1, 2011 Author Report Posted August 1, 2011 so genesis you still want to take me up on that bet?
Genesis Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 As I've said before multiple times, stop complaining. I am not here to babysit anyone. I am not here to comfort you as you complain. I am not here to be the bad guy. I am not here to solve all of your problems. I am here to administrate this RO server and implement the changes I, and the higher-ups, believe to better the server. We base our decisions on our personal experience, and what the community thinks of the issue. We do not base ourselves solely on what players think, after all some of them are out to better themselves and not the game. However, their voices can serve to present an alternative perspective. This can sometimes be a game changer. As I told you ingame, broadcasting about this isn't going to help your case. Insulting ("ohh wait that would even further increase the imbalance between classes since nothing is being done anyway." ) me and my work certainly won't either. In fact, it downright pisses me off. Which, in case you didn't know, doesn't help your case either. Your post doesn't provide any alternative, you do not provide effects that can serve to "balance out" the classes. An example of this is "new WS wep is ehh should get nerfed a bit though". How is that constructive. You need to base your assumptions on solid facts (i.e. damage outputs). If you do not have access to the weapons, ask a friend. If you do not have friends, then use pen and paper to calculate damage outputs (I use to do it all the time). Without these things, all of this is in the air and subject to interpretation. Your entire last paragraph is just ranting providing absolutely no alternative or solution to these perceived problems. What "bet" are you referring to. That most people will say no to this? Of course they will, no one wants their classes to lose power. That is why YOU need to convince ME that they are wrong and explain why with PROOF (again, damage outputs or thinks of the sort). Without these changes to your suggestion, there is not much we can do. We are not Skynet. We cannot take your complaints and magically produce a solution that will resolve these issues. This is why the suggestion forum is here to begin with. To allow the community to voice THEIR opinion on changes. @Nines everyone has a voice here. Just like you like to spend your time in for_fild01 complaining about me (the "idiot" as you nicknamed me) this person also has that right to voice their opinion and suggest changes. 2
Nelly Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 several problems with the new weps 1. no katar i mean hell you gave every class BUT sinx the weps(other then the daggers) 2. the prof wep is stupid and rather pointless since prof were already insaine to kill BEFORE the newest wep 3. the HP wep needs to be nerfed since a thana HP will rape any class 4. making LK too strong they can already Bbash fast as is no need to increase the damage even further 5. new pally spear is stupid since they are for one hard to kill as is and now with more vit and HP they will be even HARDER to kill and more OP 6. new WS wep is ehh should get nerfed a bit though since they are getting a ranged attack as well as massive damage increase on it AND more damage with CT with the addition of pneuma they will be OP 7. GS gun needs to be nerfed since if they GTB they pretty much cant be killed by any magic class since the wep is 1 handed as is 8. new ninja class wep is WAY to OP since final strike can be spammed as well as massive magic spam its stupid to increase them even more its giving them far too much of an advantage over all other classes 9. biochemist wep is stupid since they have AD already and now bolts with an increase from mammo? thats stupid since they for one are strong as is now they are going to be too strong for other classes also the changes to the sinx need to be fixed since SB has been changed and the damage has been reduced far too much. its making the server not worth playing since if you dont donate or aren't already ritch you cant afford anything major the economy is in the crapper MVP cards are worth next to nothing and the MVP's are so easy to kill its not worth hunting them since they are camped 24/7 and die in 1 hit from anything its not worth farming anything. the new weps are making the economy worse since everyone is trying to buy those weps and emps but other then that nothing is being sold, its either everyone already has it or no one needs it since the new weps are making them useless. there is next to no new additions that give anything for any other classes but the weps if you are going to add new weps add new armors i mean thats the only LOGICAL next step. if the balance between the classes is not fixed then just input the renewal jobs(after renewal is added(IF it is added like i have suggested several times and nothing has been done)) ohh wait that would even further increase the imbalance between classes since nothing is being done anyway. -1 i dont want to be rude ..but why dont u find other server that hit u up ._.? this weapon created by player that who wanna use them 1
Noob School Bus Posted August 1, 2011 Author Report Posted August 1, 2011 "As I've said before multiple times, stop complaining." not complaining stating facts "I am not here to babysit anyone." no one asked you to "I am not here to comfort you as you complain." there was no complaining so why the comfort? "I am not here to be the bad guy" you are kinda here to do a job you are refusing to do "I am not here to solve all of your problems." not supposed to solve all MY problems you're supposed to solve EVERYONES problems the day you start to help only your friends or those that suck up to you is the day you failed at your job. "I am here to administrate this RO server and implement the changes I, and the higher-ups, believe to better the server." thats my point about changes that should take place but people dont want their classes nerfed and so no one seems to want to do anything but make new weapons. "We do not base ourselves solely on what players think, after all some of them are out to better themselves and not the game." when someone points out a problem that no one else wants to see or do anything about since the admins all play the server and dont want their own classes to be nerfed(human nature no offense) "However, their voices can serve to present an alternative perspective." as i said human nature which means we will not do anything that makes us weaker "This can sometimes be a game changer." thats kinda my point "As I told you ingame, broadcasting about this isn't going to help your case." well when no one wants to see the obvious facts sometimes drastic things need to be done look at world history "Insulting ("ohh wait that would even further increase the imbalance between classes since nothing is being done anyway." ) me and my work certainly won't either." obviously nothing else seems to be working "In fact, it downright pisses me off." and ignoring every single suggestion about classes(and everything else) doesnt irritate me? "Which, in case you didn't know, doesn't help your case either." didnt you say that it wasn't just YOUR oppinion on the issue? just a bit self centered IMO "Your post doesn't provide any alternative, you do not provide effects that can serve to "balance out" the classes." who said anything was wrong with the elite weapons? they were fine as they were "An example of this is "new WS wep is ehh should get nerfed a bit though"." dont have all the answers just saying problems "How is that constructive." im just pointing out problems i dont have solutions thats why its on the suggestions so others can give their point of view "You need to base your assumptions on solid facts (i.e. damage outputs)." old weapons<new weapons. old weapons= medium damage. new weapon= super high damage facts "If you do not have access to the weapons, ask a friend." constantly making weapons stronger is pointless since at some point you will be killing everyone in 1 hit... nuf said(friends and I have tested damage by the way) "If you do not have friends, then use pen and paper to calculate damage outputs (I use to do it all the time)." i have had to fight against the weapons and they have stupid high damage from what i used to take with the old weapons "Without these things, all of this is in the air and subject to interpretation." i dont see how its subject to interpretation since it all points to the same thing... "Your entire last paragraph is just ranting providing absolutely no alternative or solution to these perceived problems." not ranting just lots of suggestions that are OBVIOUS and no one seems to bother fixing them, and hence its in the suggestions section and as stated before i dont have all the answers just providing the problems "What "bet" are you referring to. That most people will say no to this?" damn strait "Of course they will, no one wants their classes to lose power. That is why YOU need to convince ME that they are wrong and explain why with PROOF (again, damage outputs or thinks of the sort)." sometimes it's not what people want thats whats needed for the server to grow(as per proof look at MVP's and the economy of the server look at the time in which they changed) also look at the fact that these weapons are donation only and the fact that new players who don't donate or can't donate can do pretty much nothing when they get 1 shotted in any sort of pvp its no fun for them and thats why the server is slowly dying since new players are just leaving since they cant do a damn thing against someone who has been playing for a longer period of time and with the constant change of items and weapons makes new players who donate want to kick themselves since they just donated for last months weapons in which are out of date and thus weak. "Without these changes to your suggestion, there is not much we can do." as stated above thats why its in the suggestion section... "We are not Skynet. We cannot take your complaints and magically produce a solution that will resolve these issues." 1. not complaining stating facts as stated before 2. thats why its in the suggestions section so OTHERS will actually take a look and if they can get past their own wants and look at what the server NEEDS then they can see these problems are actuall problems and not just some person ranting "This is why the suggestion forum is here to begin with. To allow the community to voice THEIR opinion on changes." thats kinda my point... but sometimes its the GM's that need to do whats best for the server instead of looking at only what players want and the biased opinion of the GM's(happens to everyone don't be offended) in any case take a look at that one should explain a lot. instead of looking at only making money off the weapons maybe think about whats needed to keep the server alive since a lot of the ritch players have only 1 thing to do and thats PVP but if they have no one to fight in pvp what will happen? they will leave and the server will be left with nothing.
Seraphine Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 (edited) "As I've said before multiple times, stop complaining." not complaining stating facts "I am not here to babysit anyone." no one asked you to "I am not here to comfort you as you complain." there was no complaining so why the comfort? "I am not here to be the bad guy" you are kinda here to do a job you are refusing to do "I am not here to solve all of your problems." not supposed to solve all MY problems you're supposed to solve EVERYONES problems the day you start to help only your friends or those that suck up to you is the day you failed at your job. "I am here to administrate this RO server and implement the changes I, and the higher-ups, believe to better the server." thats my point about changes that should take place but people dont want their classes nerfed and so no one seems to want to do anything but make new weapons. "We do not base ourselves solely on what players think, after all some of them are out to better themselves and not the game." when someone points out a problem that no one else wants to see or do anything about since the admins all play the server and dont want their own classes to be nerfed(human nature no offense) "However, their voices can serve to present an alternative perspective." as i said human nature which means we will not do anything that makes us weaker "This can sometimes be a game changer." thats kinda my point "As I told you ingame, broadcasting about this isn't going to help your case." well when no one wants to see the obvious facts sometimes drastic things need to be done look at world history "Insulting ("ohh wait that would even further increase the imbalance between classes since nothing is being done anyway." ) me and my work certainly won't either." obviously nothing else seems to be working "In fact, it downright pisses me off." and ignoring every single suggestion about classes(and everything else) doesnt irritate me? "Which, in case you didn't know, doesn't help your case either." didnt you say that it wasn't just YOUR oppinion on the issue? just a bit self centered IMO "Your post doesn't provide any alternative, you do not provide effects that can serve to "balance out" the classes." who said anything was wrong with the elite weapons? they were fine as they were "An example of this is "new WS wep is ehh should get nerfed a bit though"." dont have all the answers just saying problems "How is that constructive." im just pointing out problems i dont have solutions thats why its on the suggestions so others can give their point of view "You need to base your assumptions on solid facts (i.e. damage outputs)." old weapons<new weapons. old weapons= medium damage. new weapon= super high damage facts "If you do not have access to the weapons, ask a friend." constantly making weapons stronger is pointless since at some point you will be killing everyone in 1 hit... nuf said(friends and I have tested damage by the way) "If you do not have friends, then use pen and paper to calculate damage outputs (I use to do it all the time)." i have had to fight against the weapons and they have stupid high damage from what i used to take with the old weapons "Without these things, all of this is in the air and subject to interpretation." i dont see how its subject to interpretation since it all points to the same thing... "Your entire last paragraph is just ranting providing absolutely no alternative or solution to these perceived problems." not ranting just lots of suggestions that are OBVIOUS and no one seems to bother fixing them, and hence its in the suggestions section and as stated before i dont have all the answers just providing the problems "What "bet" are you referring to. That most people will say no to this?" damn strait "Of course they will, no one wants their classes to lose power. That is why YOU need to convince ME that they are wrong and explain why with PROOF (again, damage outputs or thinks of the sort)." sometimes it's not what people want thats whats needed for the server to grow(as per proof look at MVP's and the economy of the server look at the time in which they changed) also look at the fact that these weapons are donation only and the fact that new players who don't donate or can't donate can do pretty much nothing when they get 1 shotted in any sort of pvp its no fun for them and thats why the server is slowly dying since new players are just leaving since they cant do a damn thing against someone who has been playing for a longer period of time and with the constant change of items and weapons makes new players who donate want to kick themselves since they just donated for last months weapons in which are out of date and thus weak. "Without these changes to your suggestion, there is not much we can do." as stated above thats why its in the suggestion section... "We are not Skynet. We cannot take your complaints and magically produce a solution that will resolve these issues." 1. not complaining stating facts as stated before 2. thats why its in the suggestions section so OTHERS will actually take a look and if they can get past their own wants and look at what the server NEEDS then they can see these problems are actuall problems and not just some person ranting "This is why the suggestion forum is here to begin with. To allow the community to voice THEIR opinion on changes." thats kinda my point... but sometimes its the GM's that need to do whats best for the server instead of looking at only what players want and the biased opinion of the GM's(happens to everyone don't be offended) in any case take a look at that one should explain a lot. instead of looking at only making money off the weapons maybe think about whats needed to keep the server alive since a lot of the ritch players have only 1 thing to do and thats PVP but if they have no one to fight in pvp what will happen? they will leave and the server will be left with nothing. Honestly at this point all your doing is complaining and nothing else.Theirs new weapons because the server has to run somehow,it has to be paid through something the admins can't be forking out there own money to pay for the server(because that's unrealistic). I don't see why your blatantly telling Genesis he isn't doing his job when he does one of the best jobs on all the private servers.If you'r not willing to do any work to progress further and become stronger and only stick with elite weapons then so be it,but things move on ,every thing changes,it's called evolution.This suggestion isn't really a suggestion if all that's getting done is a bunch of complaining and ranting. Edited August 1, 2011 by Seraphine 1
FearX Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 This is messed up, I suggest you to find another game. 1
Ferocious Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 Genesis do what he can. He is not a robot and got a life. He do a really good job and like serphine said, he is one of the best administrators on privates server. Create you'r own server and you wont be able to do anything. Think about what you say before argueing on some shit you don't even know
Mr. Masochist Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 Complaining about everything without trying to help change it will get you nowhere. You gave us nothing to support your opinions, nor were you polite with them. All in all you need to calm down and rethink how to address these problems that you think are problems. My honest opinion, the new weapons are a little underpowered and if anything need a boost in some areas. The new set of Valk weapons were absolutely amazing and gave the underpowered classes exactly what they needed. -1 for sure.
Noob School Bus Posted August 1, 2011 Author Report Posted August 1, 2011 constantly making classes stronger without giving any sort of defenses is stupid since all you are doing is making it more difficult for newer players to survive. i have seen plenty of servers where donation items are the same for a long ass time. the newest weapons are fine right now because no one has decided to do something that is OP with them yet and as soon as they do everyone will say "that class is OP" and be in the same exact boat. most of the classes have been made even stronger which is stupid since they were fine to begin with and now they are being made even stronger. its stupid to continue to make weapons for higher damage and HP and not give any sort of new armors to compensate. think less about your own damn classes and more about what is good for the server dont complain when the classes NEED to get nerfed a bit. as i stated before no one will like this post because it is going to make classes weaker and no one wants their class to be weaker.
Nelly Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 constantly making classes stronger without giving any sort of defenses is stupid since all you are doing is making it more difficult for newer players to survive. i have seen plenty of servers where donation items are the same for a long ass time. the newest weapons are fine right now because no one has decided to do something that is OP with them yet and as soon as they do everyone will say "that class is OP" and be in the same exact boat. most of the classes have been made even stronger which is stupid since they were fine to begin with and now they are being made even stronger. its stupid to continue to make weapons for higher damage and HP and not give any sort of new armors to compensate. think less about your own damn classes and more about what is good for the server dont complain when the classes NEED to get nerfed a bit. as i stated before no one will like this post because it is going to make classes weaker and no one wants their class to be weaker. i think everyone start at the same equips Forsaken Wonderer Set ..they all know how to take time n work hard to get Forsaken Elite Set or Forsaken King set ..that all depend on Hard Work..n Stop Complaining ..if u are a newbies starts as newbie PvP/Woe is useless for non hard worker player types..what u need to do is get freeken gear your self and Follow the Game Flow
Veracity Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 "you are kinda here to do a job you are refusing to do [...] not supposed to solve all MY problems you're supposed to solve EVERYONES problems the day you start to help only your friends or those that suck up to you is the day you failed at your job." A job? No, what Genesis does is not a job. He is not getting paid for it. He (and the rest of the staff) receives virtually no benefit other than making our players happy. We are volunteering our time for free and working our asses off to provide players like you with the best RO server we possibly can. Genesis is not "supposed" to do anything, either. Despite this, he does everything he can--spending endless hours coding/developing updates, supporting players in game, solving hack/scam cases (which by the way, is a lot more than most other server administrators will do!), listening to player's suggestions... and that's just part of what he does. He's been working on the server from day one... do you have any idea what kind of time commitment and dedication it takes to run a popular RO server for over 4 years? Very few servers have been able to stay open that long out of the hundreds and hundreds of private RO servers. That right there says Genesis is doing something right. "thats my point about changes that should take place but people dont want their classes nerfed and so no one seems to want to do anything but make new weapons. when someone points out a problem that no one else wants to see or do anything about..." We are doing lots of things other than make new weapons, including adding more benefits for new players and those who can't donate. Have you ever thought that no one else sees the "problem" that you do because maybe there isn't one? Just because you think something is wrong with the server and new weapons doesn't mean it is so. Yes, the weapons are better than the elite weapons. Why? Because they were designed to give every class a chance in a highrate PvP environment (even if that meant making some changes to the class itself). We're trying to tackle something very few, if any, servers have ever really been able to achieve. Yes, it's not perfect, but we're working at it. If you look, a majority of the community supports these efforts, too. "... since the admins all play the server and dont want their own classes to be nerfed(human nature no offense)" No, that is incorrect. Neither of our admins play the server at all anymore. They only go on their Game Master account to support the players. Also, all of the higher up GMs (Wish, Justice, and myself) rarely, if ever, play the server anymore. We have chosen to devote all of our free time to bettering the server as staff and have had to give up enjoying it as players. We are the primary decision makers and discuss the suggestions of the community in an unbiased manner with the sole intention of bettering the server. "'Insulting ("ohh wait that would even further increase the imbalance between classes since nothing is being done anyway." ) me and my work certainly won't either.' obviously nothing else seems to be working" Insulting the staff is never going to help anyone get what they want. We are always more than happy to listen to players who communicate their opinions and ideas (whether they're positive or negative), so long as they do it in a polite, respectful, and intelligent manner. "and ignoring every single suggestion about classes(and everything else) doesnt irritate me?" Not sure what you're talking about. We do listen to the suggestions from the community and use them as a basis for our priorities and ideas. "'An example of this is "new WS wep is ehh should get nerfed a bit though' dont have all the answers just saying problems [...] im just pointing out problems i dont have solutions thats why its on the suggestions so others can give their point of view" A suggestion implies you are suggesting a solution or alternative to a problem, not merely stating the problem. Look at every other topic in the suggestion forum and you will see this is standard procedure. Stating a supposed problem without offering an alternative is not constructive at all, it is just criticizing and complaining... which is exactly what you're doing. "constantly making weapons stronger is pointless since at some point you will be killing everyone in 1 hit... nuf said(friends and I have tested damage by the way)" We are not constantly making weapons stronger. We added weapons for the classes that had yet to receive them, or had not received their primary weapon (e.g., the Whitesmith Hammer). You cannot kill everyone in 1 hit, and it will never be that way because that goes against everything we are working towards. "'Your entire last paragraph is just ranting providing absolutely no alternative or solution to these perceived problems.' not ranting just lots of suggestions that are OBVIOUS and no one seems to bother fixing them, and hence its in the suggestions section and as stated before i dont have all the answers just providing the problems" As stated before, you have suggested nothing. "sometimes it's not what people want thats whats needed for the server to grow(as per proof look at MVP's and the economy of the server look at the time in which they changed) also look at the fact that these weapons are donation only and the fact that new players who don't donate or can't donate can do pretty much nothing when they get 1 shotted in any sort of pvp its no fun for them and thats why the server is slowly dying since new players are just leaving since they cant do a damn thing against someone who has been playing for a longer period of time and with the constant change of items and weapons makes new players who donate want to kick themselves since they just donated for last months weapons in which are out of date and thus weak." We're well aware of that, that's why the higher ups have final say on everything that gets added. We have the best interests of the server at heart and are unbiased in our decisions. Yes, you can get the weapons by donating. However, unlike many other servers, anyone can purchase them from other players for tokens. If you look at what we did before (buffing the elite weapons so they're only 5-10 stats less than the new valkyrie weapons), you would probably be able to figure out we're going to do something similar again for these new weapons. We are working on a very large update to help those who can't donate or are new to the server. The server is far from slowly dying and we're already addressing the issues you're bringing up here. "'This is why the suggestion forum is here to begin with. To allow the community to voice THEIR opinion on changes.' thats kinda my point... but sometimes its the GM's that need to do whats best for the server instead of looking at only what players want and the biased opinion of the GM's(happens to everyone don't be offended)" We hire GMs because they believe they are capable of acting professional and unbiased. I'd say the vast majority, except for maybe a couple, have been capable of doing that. We have no tolerance for unprofessional/biased GMs and hold all of our staff to a high standard. We do not only look at what players want, as I've already explained previously. If we did, there wouldn't be so many rejected suggestions, now would there? We always carefully consider the community's suggestions and make sure they are in the best interest of the server. "instead of looking at only making money off the weapons maybe think about whats needed to keep the server alive since a lot of the ritch players have only 1 thing to do and thats PVP but if they have no one to fight in pvp what will happen? they will leave and the server will be left with nothing." We are not simply looking to "make money off the weapons," they were designed to promote class balance and a competitive PvP environment. We're always looking to improve the server and add more interesting features for both new and old players. I've even made topics about it because people brought up their concerns with these issues. I'd love to hear any suggestions you or anyone else has concerning this. However, "nerfing all the Valkyrie weapons" isn't the solution. 1
Adum* Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 you say stupid so many times, its stupid!! blah blah blah. you want to nerf other weapons, yet you're not providing facts that will support your claim. obviously no one will like your post cause its stupid...pointless...no facts..and you bitch too much.
TensaZangetsu Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 lmfao this is ultimate qq, everything sucks hahaha...>.>
Bishop Posted August 1, 2011 Report Posted August 1, 2011 A suggestion implies you are suggesting a solution or alternative to a problem, not merely stating the problem. Look at every other topic in the suggestion forum and you will see this is standard procedure. Stating a supposed problem without offering an alternative is not constructive at all, it is just criticizing and complaining... which is exactly what you're doing. The above quote describes the exact situation. I'm not going in depth of the problems stated. If you understand the above quote you'll know what to do. 1
Sorrow Posted August 2, 2011 Report Posted August 2, 2011 Since this is in a suggestion topic, allow me to view it as such and try to meassure its validity... 1. Although the Cat Paws are extremely weak weapons when compared to any other of the custom weapons, they are the katar equivalent sinx have among valkyrie weapons. Even if the Sinx class has a total of 5 valkyrie weapons, i can say that none of them is worth, i can agree that sinx need more loving. But i still think the sinx players need to give a bit more of input on what exactly would make them happier with their class instead of just ranting how awful they are. 2. i'm not really sure i follow some of these points; you call the weapon pointless and then states they made professors harder to kill? i agree that the weapon is pointless and much inferior to the already existing one, if thats what you were trying to say then okay i agree. But i suggest you try playing the class instead of spewing untruthful things, if that's not what you meant. Have you tried wearing a GTB when facing a professor? It works wonders on making them into sitting ducks. You can try maya too when you're more confident. Stavecrasher? that tickles you? The only time in my entire life i died for a stavecrasher i was wearing devilings+maya and there was this wizzard spamming stavecrasher on me with thana while standing on a deluge with his friend HP Lexing me...skolls+gtb works wonders. 3. A magical weapon will rape people because of thana?...get a pair of skolls please. 4. The spear is based on a spiral pierce build, the sword is based on a bowling bash build. Lord Knights are supposed to be damaging powerhouses and having great HP, and there is nothing wrong in giving them boosts that help them fit the role. And i don't find their damage THAT impressive either >.> 5. The New paladin weapon adds 10% HP where the older one adds 15%, your statement is invalid; the new weapon is more offensive oriented and lowers HP when compared the the older one, please pay attention to detail and say something when you have the correct data. Paladins are resilient because of their build; they can't go around surprize attacking people and killing them on a skill spam streak. Some might, but the rare damaging builds can't take as much punishment as the tanking one. You can potentially get any class make them pure vit and survive lot, its just that Paladins are the ones that benefit the most from such build. 6. The WS class was extremely underpowered untill the release of the weapon, i believe the weapon gave them means to fight well both offensively and defensively, it was a great improvement, they waited long enough, they deserved it. You can however wear skolls and slide under their own pneuma to avoid the tomahawk. 7. From this moment sinx are the only ones who still have two handed weapon in which they depend, i can't agree on nerfing the GS gun, not wearing a shield is a huge set back. Desperado always was a strong skill tho, a Desp spamming GS always was and always will be a bad match for a sinx. 8. Ninja is a tricky class, but easy to deal with, i met about 3 effective ninjas, the rest were just wanabes. To fight a ninja you must be a bit tricky too; as a sinx you can kill a FS spamming ninja with Throw-freaking-Stone, but poison react also works. Maya is a better card to deal with profs and ninjas than GTB, switch them around as you need. They also were awful before the weapon. 9. You're kidding right?? i dare say creators are one of the most underpowered classes currently(and were before too), their new weapon looks promising but it turns out it is a joke, and gives no solid advantage to a class that has been asking for boosts as fas as i remember and still are. Try putting on GR and you'll see that creators aren't anything special. i get the impression this is the point of view of a new player that likes sinx most and wants to be able to kill everything overnight. i advise you to try and full gear yourself, acquire experience as a player(not just gear up your character, but improve YOURself also), and then try things out, ask people for tips, observe a bit. Wanting to nerf every class of the game but yours is not exactly the way to find balance. Donating isn't all that hard if you're in that much of a hurry you know, it helps you get better and helps the server, seriously, getting 30$ a month to spare for like 3~5 months is easy stuff, in many online gaming, you have to pay like 20$ monthly just to play and don't get a staff that's actually willing to listen to you if you come with ideas. Speaking on ideas, get your data straight when you do make something like a suggestion. Try things out, and come with a present tense, valid points about the problem you're assessing and possible solutions, not an overly agressive post, full of preposterous assumptions, untruthful statements and completely lacking of any useful content. Overall, i can't agree with anything suggested, because really...nothing was suggested... 2
xXxJCxXx Posted August 2, 2011 Report Posted August 2, 2011 Since this is in a suggestion topic, allow me to view it as such and try to meassure its validity... 1. Although the Cat Paws are extremely weak weapons when compared to any other of the custom weapons, they are the katar equivalent sinx have among valkyrie weapons. Even if the Sinx class has a total of 5 valkyrie weapons, i can say that none of them is worth, i can agree that sinx need more loving. But i still think the sinx players need to give a bit more of input on what exactly would make them happier with their class instead of just ranting how awful they are. 2. i'm not really sure i follow some of these points; you call the weapon pointless and then states they made professors harder to kill? i agree that the weapon is pointless and much inferior to the already existing one, if thats what you were trying to say then okay i agree. But i suggest you try playing the class instead of spewing untruthful things, if that's not what you meant. Have you tried wearing a GTB when facing a professor? It works wonders on making them into sitting ducks. You can try maya too when you're more confident. Stavecrasher? that tickles you? The only time in my entire life i died for a stavecrasher i was wearing devilings+maya and there was this wizzard spamming stavecrasher on me with thana while standing on a deluge with his friend HP Lexing me...skolls+gtb works wonders. 3. A magical weapon will rape people because of thana?...get a pair of skolls please. 4. The spear is based on a spiral pierce build, the sword is based on a bowling bash build. Lord Knights are supposed to be damaging powerhouses and having great HP, and there is nothing wrong in giving them boosts that help them fit the role. And i don't find their damage THAT impressive either >.> 5. The New paladin weapon adds 10% HP where the older one adds 15%, your statement is invalid; the new weapon is more offensive oriented and lowers HP when compared the the older one, please pay attention to detail and say something when you have the correct data. Paladins are resilient because of their build; they can't go around surprize attacking people and killing them on a skill spam streak. Some might, but the rare damaging builds can't take as much punishment as the tanking one. You can potentially get any class make them pure vit and survive lot, its just that Paladins are the ones that benefit the most from such build. 6. The WS class was extremely underpowered untill the release of the weapon, i believe the weapon gave them means to fight well both offensively and defensively, it was a great improvement, they waited long enough, they deserved it. You can however wear skolls and slide under their own pneuma to avoid the tomahawk. 7. From this moment sinx are the only ones who still have two handed weapon in which they depend, i can't agree on nerfing the GS gun, not wearing a shield is a huge set back. Desperado always was a strong skill tho, a Desp spamming GS always was and always will be a bad match for a sinx. 8. Ninja is a tricky class, but easy to deal with, i met about 3 effective ninjas, the rest were just wanabes. To fight a ninja you must be a bit tricky too; as a sinx you can kill a FS spamming ninja with Throw-freaking-Stone, but poison react also works. Maya is a better card to deal with profs and ninjas than GTB, switch them around as you need. They also were awful before the weapon. 9. You're kidding right?? i dare say creators are one of the most underpowered classes currently(and were before too), their new weapon looks promising but it turns out it is a joke, and gives no solid advantage to a class that has been asking for boosts as fas as i remember and still are. Try putting on GR and you'll see that creators aren't anything special. i get the impression this is the point of view of a new player that likes sinx most and wants to be able to kill everything overnight. i advise you to try and full gear yourself, acquire experience as a player(not just gear up your character, but improve YOURself also), and then try things out, ask people for tips, observe a bit. Wanting to nerf every class of the game but yours is not exactly the way to find balance. Donating isn't all that hard if you're in that much of a hurry you know, it helps you get better and helps the server, seriously, getting 30$ a month to spare for like 3~5 months is easy stuff, in many online gaming, you have to pay like 20$ monthly just to play and don't get a staff that's actually willing to listen to you if you come with ideas. Speaking on ideas, get your data straight when you do make something like a suggestion. Try things out, and come with a present tense, valid points about the problem you're assessing and possible solutions, not an overly agressive post, full of preposterous assumptions, untruthful statements and completely lacking of any useful content. Overall, i can't agree with anything suggested, because really...nothing was suggested... This is so far the best reply i read for this topic. So professional. Well said Sorrow. I couldn't agree with you more. @Noob School Bus: Please use this as your reference. Best of luck to you.
D.Vampire Posted August 2, 2011 Report Posted August 2, 2011 (edited) Be happy with what the GM's give us and stop this already. Edited August 2, 2011 by D.Vampire
