nines Posted July 25, 2011 Report Posted July 25, 2011 Alright well as everyone knows pvp = dead so we need some inspiration to increase pvp activity and these ideas should come into play since the whole 2 week thing (dumb but understandable) 1. Hurry up the release on Black Sacreds (This will majorly increase pvp activity just by doing this one thing) 2. Add new prizes / prize boxes into the mix. Example. \/ 10 Tokens: Black Sacreds 140 ygg tickets / 100 each converter 10 Tokens: Black Sacreds 50 Concentrated Speed Tickets / 100 Cursed Water Tickets / 100 Seed Tickets 3. New Equipment for Ladder - Every time you rank on the top 3 of ladder you also gain Victor Tokens 1st Place = 10 Second = 7 Third = 4 Victors Aura [1] - 40 pvp tokens Effects: 25 All stats Allows player to see invisible players Middle Headgear Victors Armor [2] - 20 pvp tokens Effects: Vit+ 10 Max Hp +15% 1% chance to cast asumptio while being attacked Victors Helmet [2] - 20 pvp tokens Effects: Increase Aspd+ 12, Str+12 Dex+12 All stats +3 Victors Shoes [2] - 20 pvp tokens Effects: Agi+15 Crit+ 20 Increase Movement Speed 5% Flee+20 Increase Damage with all kicks 20% (excluding flying kick) Victors Cloak [2] - 20 pvp tokens Effects: Nullify Gemstone Requirement Max sp+20% Increase Stave Crasher Damage 20% Increase Mammomite Damage 20% (If Jormundagers Rage is worn increase Mammomite Damage 10% Increase Acid Demonstration Damage 10% Increase Fire and Icebolt Damage 10%) Victors Set Bonuses: Immune To Freeze All stats +13 Max Hp+6% Max Sp+5% Movement speed+ 5% Cast Speed Reduced 50% Notes on Victors Item Bonuses 1. Victors Cloak adds a lot of bonuses towards Alchemist because well they still suck. And adding bonuses to skills that aren't as great still 2. Aura is really good. Could cause some op abuse so id say token amount subject to increase amount required for it. 3. Could add new belts? 4. I like tacos. 1
Tom & Jerry Posted July 25, 2011 Report Posted July 25, 2011 +1 . I like. (GODDAMN IT NINES YOUR SUGGESTIONS ARE SO FUCKING LONG)
nines Posted July 25, 2011 Author Report Posted July 25, 2011 2. Aura is really good. Could cause some op abuse so id say token amount subject to increase amount required for it. Want to emphisize how Op this item is. So Id say if subject to change (well needs to be changed) Id say increase to 60 - 90 tokens for it.
Acetrainer Posted July 25, 2011 Report Posted July 25, 2011 Yaa..... NO. Those prizes have got to be the worst suggestion I've seen posted here since the 2-Handed Sword for the High Wizard.
nines Posted July 25, 2011 Author Report Posted July 25, 2011 (edited) ^. Alright. Explain why. I always gladly except criticism. Just explain why with your actual knowledge on how it would effect each class how it would ruin pvp how it would effect the economy and everything. Edited July 25, 2011 by nines
Acetrainer Posted July 25, 2011 Report Posted July 25, 2011 Well Nines, people like yourself who can afford to buy skill on this server will continue to be overpowered and the people who can barely afford a single f-set let alone a valk weapon will continue to be underwhelmed. Not even counting the people who are just starting to get their elite sets together and are further discouraged by PvP because of people like you who kill them because of their lack of items. Classes on this server need to be nerfed to create balance instead of the half-@ssed attempt to make each class stronger than the last.
Veggie&Mac Posted July 25, 2011 Report Posted July 25, 2011 Epic damned suggestion Onichan, black sacred are so damned sexy ( coz i made the recolour GG! ), and they should release the silver sacreds too dont you think? :D Victors? why not Victoirous or Invictus set jaojaoajo >,< btw this set just work only in pvp room or is a global pvp set? +1 Dani♥ P.s.: i hope they fix the AD damage in the new valky weapon for creators J Rage, mammonite is not always used!!!
Genesis Posted July 25, 2011 Report Posted July 25, 2011 Alright well as everyone knows pvp = dead so we need some inspiration to increase pvp activity and these ideas should come into play since the whole 2 week thing (dumb but understandable) 1. Hurry up the release on Black Sacreds (This will majorly increase pvp activity just by doing this one thing) 2. Add new prizes / prize boxes into the mix. Example. \/ 10 Tokens: Black Sacreds 140 ygg tickets / 100 each converter 10 Tokens: Black Sacreds 50 Concentrated Speed Tickets / 100 Cursed Water Tickets / 100 Seed Tickets 3. New Equipment for Ladder - Every time you rank on the top 3 of ladder you also gain Victor Tokens 1st Place = 10 Second = 7 Third = 4 Victors Aura [1] - 40 pvp tokens Effects: 25 All stats Allows player to see invisible players Middle Headgear Victors Armor [2] - 20 pvp tokens Effects: Vit+ 10 Max Hp +15% 1% chance to cast asumptio while being attacked Victors Helmet [2] - 20 pvp tokens Effects: Increase Aspd+ 12, Str+12 Dex+12 All stats +3 Victors Shoes [2] - 20 pvp tokens Effects: Agi+15 Crit+ 20 Increase Movement Speed 5% Flee+20 Increase Damage with all kicks 20% (excluding flying kick) Victors Cloak [2] - 20 pvp tokens Effects: Nullify Gemstone Requirement Max sp+20% Increase Stave Crasher Damage 20% Increase Mammomite Damage 20% (If Jormundagers Rage is worn increase Mammomite Damage 10% Increase Acid Demonstration Damage 10% Increase Fire and Icebolt Damage 10%) Victors Set Bonuses: Immune To Freeze All stats +13 Max Hp+6% Max Sp+5% Movement speed+ 5% Cast Speed Reduced 50% Notes on Victors Item Bonuses 1. Victors Cloak adds a lot of bonuses towards Alchemist because well they still suck. And adding bonuses to skills that aren't as great still 2. Aura is really good. Could cause some op abuse so id say token amount subject to increase amount required for it. 3. Could add new belts? 4. I like tacos. No one does PvP Ladder because the same wings have been in place since it was enabled for the most part. That's 2 years, everyone has them so no one is going to really want to do it for wings they already have. New colors would probably change that. I don't know about adding another set however. I've always been against topping things that are already established. However, the difficulties of the times we live in have called for them. Well Nines, people like yourself who can afford to buy skill on this server will continue to be overpowered and the people who can barely afford a single f-set let alone a valk weapon will continue to be underwhelmed. Not even counting the people who are just starting to get their elite sets together and are further discouraged by PvP because of people like you who kill them because of their lack of items. Classes on this server need to be nerfed to create balance instead of the half-@ssed attempt to make each class stronger than the last. Weapons are sold for $30, or 300 coupons. 1 coupon is not worth the same it is in real currency, its worth much less. Therefore, Valkyrie Weapons should be cheaper than 300 coupons ingame. Problem is, people who have them, overprice them. Also, stop complaining "Classes on this server need to be nerfed to create balance instead of the half-@ssed attempt to make each class stronger than the last." Who are you to call them "half-@ssed". Do you code them? No. Do you add them? No. Do you test them? No. Last thing I want to do is hear you/anyone else complaining. This isn't a daycare, if you have changes you think would improve the game, then suggest them. If the rest of the community agrees, then they will be added. If you don't, then you have nothing to contribute.
nines Posted July 25, 2011 Author Report Posted July 25, 2011 Well Nines, people like yourself who can afford to buy skill on this server will continue to be overpowered and the people who can barely afford a single f-set let alone a valk weapon will continue to be underwhelmed. Not even counting the people who are just starting to get their elite sets together and are further discouraged by PvP because of people like you who kill them because of their lack of items. Classes on this server need to be nerfed to create balance instead of the half-@ssed attempt to make each class stronger than the last. Ok. By the way your replying lol you obviously don't know me. I'm not like Cole. I don't kill under geared players I actually yell at my friends and kill them when they do that. And I give out items to them on the normal. So there's one knocked down. Underwhelmed players? People do that. Not gear. They kill the noobs who can't afford stuff. This doesn't discourage them into going into pvp since even if they did go into pvp as of this moment they would still die instantly for obvious reasons. It's pvp. Their under geard. Theirs a ladder system. If your going to attack me with the point of under geared players why not put in a suggestion on how to help under geared players? I've made a bunch of those kind of suggestions. Why don't you check them out and muster up an idea if they're on your mind. My suggestion is to increase pvp activity for just that reason to increase pvp activity. Their is a bunch of geared players on the server and a bunch of them like to pvp but because of the 2 weeks now they lost the initiative to go into and actually ladder. Especially since the prize isn't worth 2 weeks of their life. Adding new prizes that are not over powered by the way (except the aura) will help increase pvp activity and overall server activity. Classes on the server need to be nerfed to create balance instead of a half asses attempt to make a class stronger than the last......Interesting. I wasn't aware any class had a major advantage over any other class in this server. My half ass attempt to make a class stronger than the last? Well sure maybe if I was suggesting a 2000% More damage with Acid Demo would make the Alchemist class stronger than the rest. What this is is bringing all the classes onto an equal playing field. Hence why it's balanced and not major bonuses. (Looks forward to a reply)
kuoch Posted July 25, 2011 Report Posted July 25, 2011 Like the idea. Would be nice to see this get put in. PvP isn't as exciting as it was before. And I'm sure everyone is willing to fight for these spots. Let alone, attract a lot of players, in my opinion. 1
Acetrainer Posted July 26, 2011 Report Posted July 26, 2011 (edited) No one does PvP Ladder because the same wings have been in place since it was enabled for the most part. That's 2 years, everyone has them so no one is going to really want to do it for wings they already have. New colors would probably change that. I don't know about adding another set however. I've always been against topping things that are already established. However, the difficulties of the times we live in have called for them. Weapons are sold for $30, or 300 coupons. 1 coupon is not worth the same it is in real currency, its worth much less. Therefore, Valkyrie Weapons should be cheaper than 300 coupons ingame. Problem is, people who have them, overprice them. Also, stop complaining "Classes on this server need to be nerfed to create balance instead of the half-@ssed attempt to make each class stronger than the last." Who are you to call them "half-@ssed". Do you code them? No. Do you add them? No. Do you test them? No. Last thing I want to do is hear you/anyone else complaining. This isn't a daycare, if you have changes you think would improve the game, then suggest them. If the rest of the community agrees, then they will be added. If you don't, then you have nothing to contribute. Excuse me? So, who exactly codes these items? Because look at the elite set, every single elite set is the same. They all give the same bonus' to agi. How is that useful? I've made tons of suggestions to make these items more "noob" friendly but people are too concerned with giving more buffs to the overpowered items, and don't listen to what I or anyone else has to say for the noobs. To nines: I disagree because the same group of people hoard PvP. Looking at this topic, it seems that it is designed to buff you and your friends. If PvP ladder was fair, and EVERYONE had a chance to win, then I would agree with this suggestion. But looking at the current pvp ladder situation, I wouldn't agree to save my life, sorry. it's my two cents. Edited July 26, 2011 by Acetrainer
nines Posted July 26, 2011 Author Report Posted July 26, 2011 Me and my friends sit and talk. And kill each other at for_fild01. None of us have laddered in months and months and months and months. And everyone does have a chance to win. Have you looked at how many kills is winning ladders now? 300? up to 700? Wow. Before used to be up to 2k kills a week. Now in 2 weeks its lower than 1k....And it seems like your disagreement is more leaned towards who's laddering and for some reason you think its me? Please I already told you before to tell me how it would effect everything. You've yet to even say how it would truly effect pvp vs people of current equal gear. I'll admit the Black Sacred came as a thought because I mostly wanted the Black Sacreds but what did I do? I took off my greed and made a suggestion that everyone would like. I wouldn't even go ladder for those other items I've suggested. I go to college and got a life lol don't got time to do all that. As for your reply to Genesis The Elite Set sucks? LOL you obviously don't know how to play the game. Ask any old player who knew me when I first came here. They all hated me because I would own the shit out of every one in donation gear and emps with a moon aura, a sheep hat, and a full elite set. And if no one cared about adding anything for the noobs what about the wanderer set? what about all these new events that any noob can do? Now GM's Im going to request for this pointless argument that is hardly related to the topic be halted and put back onto topic. 1
Genesis Posted July 26, 2011 Report Posted July 26, 2011 Hey, Elite gear should be changed. When we look at suggestions, we do not simply look at what people say (since most are just after their own interests). We also look at the reasons why they say the things they say. After all, we want to make the server better for everyone, not just a small group of people.
Xtopher Posted July 26, 2011 Report Posted July 26, 2011 (edited) I agree with adding more colors of sacreds. I disagree with those armors/set and aura. What are you thinking? Killed a few too many brain cells nines. No pvp set should be stronger than f.king set and no aura should be stronger than emp. They do enough as is.... The servers too elitist as is, those items would only make it worse. I could maybe agree on adding items equal to what we have (pvp rucks, imps, emps, or something different looking than sacreds but same effect). PvP is stagnant but making the server more elitist isn't the answer, in my opinion. and @ your Elite gear comment... c'mon man, you're talking about when YOU first came here. You're a fossil. You've been here how long? 3-5 years? Don't you think that argument is kind of dated? I'm sure you could hold your own in an elite set back then (I'm not trying to kill your ego), but that's really not an option with all the new additions on this server. The elite gear is super outdated as well as the quest. Why are we even talking about this? Edited July 26, 2011 by Xtopher
nines Posted July 26, 2011 Author Report Posted July 26, 2011 So the strongest gear set you should be able to get should only be through items that are acquired by donators?
Acetrainer Posted July 26, 2011 Report Posted July 26, 2011 So the strongest gear set you should be able to get should only be through items that are acquired by donators?That's a weak argument considering only the highest donators on the server are the ones who would be able to get the "new sets."
nines Posted July 26, 2011 Author Report Posted July 26, 2011 (edited) How is that an argument....its just a fact if your looking at it logically. And no highest donators? there's a bunch of top tier players who haven't donated anything. Xtopher is one of them. seriously Ace calm the fuck down dude... Lets watch this train of events 1. Elite Quest Needs to be done to get anywhere in the server really. A. Needs to gather a lot of items and some mvp cards B. Mvp Cards drop 10% Takes time C. Set acquired. 2. Needs to get auras/headgears/belts. A. Begins farming mats B. Begins Farming mats C. Begins Farming mats 3. Pvp Cards required to pvp correctly. A. More Farming 4. Finally acquired full elite set / gears to pvp. A. Still only in elite set requires a lot of farming time to sell stuff to get tokens to buy forsaken gear 5. Forsaken Gear acquired. A. Can pvp properly Laddering is an option. B. Can be useful in woe C. Can work towards woe drops or farm to buy emp aura etc. 6. ???? What now? What are people to do after they've gotten everything....How many people have left the server because they ran out of things to do. A lot of old players a lot of pro players a lot of people who put time in to run into a dead end. What can be done? A. Add more things to acquire? Like the Friggs quest. When released it gave people a lot to do (People ruined it by giving out locations and etc causing npcs to be moved while people were in the middle of the quest and was unfair to people who spent a lot of time finding the npcs as they came out people got fed up some quit others stopped doing the quest) While this is a game and all games require mats to be gathered to make gear (had no problem with doing it for the friggs) All games that have pvp also have pvp rewarded items. We have woe and ladder which both only consist of two good things you can get out of them. Emperium Auras/Imps(gvh) And Raws/Sacreds. Granted Raws are useless most of the time because people don't want to die and reflect doesn't help as much anymore since SinX is a dieng class. What now? It's been almost a year since Friggs Shield came out. And we were told that it was part of a story line. Alright im ok with that but its been so long and the pvp prizes have been the same for so long and everyone has been at a deadzone for a long time. We released new event items and activity token items but they still provide no challenge. This suggestion is here to help pave a way. Yes the items will increase damage and what not but so what? Could we not make class specific ladder items? I see no problem with it as long as its not over powered (have any of the items I've ever made been over powered? Sure but to a point of where it's not a major problem ((Granted like I said that auras fuckin op as hell)) Adding a Class set for Ladder prizes? Who wouldn't like that...Even people who disagree to it initially will like it. Their has been a ton of things that people disagreed to in the start and then came to like IE the nerf on reductions. The server needs to step into a new direction. Can't just sit in the past for ever. And it needs to step up with gear and events or else what else is there to do? I really hope some one disagrees with this. Because its a fact practically written in stone. Edited July 26, 2011 by nines
Amicable Posted July 26, 2011 Report Posted July 26, 2011 Alright well as everyone knows pvp = dead so we need some inspiration to increase pvp activity and these ideas should come into play since the whole 2 week thing (dumb but understandable) 1. Hurry up the release on Black Sacreds (This will majorly increase pvp activity just by doing this one thing) 2. Add new prizes / prize boxes into the mix. Example. \/ 10 Tokens: Black Sacreds 140 ygg tickets / 100 each converter 10 Tokens: Black Sacreds 50 Concentrated Speed Tickets / 100 Cursed Water Tickets / 100 Seed Tickets 3. New Equipment for Ladder - Every time you rank on the top 3 of ladder you also gain Victor Tokens 1st Place = 10 Second = 7 Third = 4 Victors Aura [1] - 40 pvp tokens Effects: 25 All stats Allows player to see invisible players Middle Headgear Victors Armor [2] - 20 pvp tokens Effects: Vit+ 10 Max Hp +15% 1% chance to cast asumptio while being attacked Victors Helmet [2] - 20 pvp tokens Effects: Increase Aspd+ 12, Str+12 Dex+12 All stats +3 Victors Shoes [2] - 20 pvp tokens Effects: Agi+15 Crit+ 20 Increase Movement Speed 5% Flee+20 Increase Damage with all kicks 20% (excluding flying kick) Victors Cloak [2] - 20 pvp tokens Effects: Nullify Gemstone Requirement Max sp+20% Increase Stave Crasher Damage 20% Increase Mammomite Damage 20% (If Jormundagers Rage is worn increase Mammomite Damage 10% Increase Acid Demonstration Damage 10% Increase Fire and Icebolt Damage 10%) Victors Set Bonuses: Immune To Freeze All stats +13 Max Hp+6% Max Sp+5% Movement speed+ 5% Cast Speed Reduced 50% Notes on Victors Item Bonuses 1. Victors Cloak adds a lot of bonuses towards Alchemist because well they still suck. And adding bonuses to skills that aren't as great still 2. Aura is really good. Could cause some op abuse so id say token amount subject to increase amount required for it. 3. Could add new belts? 4. I like tacos. +1 I actually love all of it! I mean seriously.....2 weeks of Pvping, is pretty long so I mean adding this new suggestion might increase the popularity of Pvping. I mean....whenever I'm on, the only times I see a few people in the pvp room is after WOE or GVG but thats just a few, but after people get killed over and over they dont go in pvp room anymore. Nice Suggestion Nines xD
Halion Posted July 26, 2011 Report Posted July 26, 2011 I agree with the wings color. I disagree with the sets. Why? same as xtopher " No pvp se/t should be stronger than f.king set and no aura should be stronger than emp ". Another reason? the fking set is a donation item, there shouldn't be anything that gives a better boost than a donation item, excluding the emperium aura, as in the ladder, well add another effect to the sgw, like 10% more hp that would make them more interesting :p
Ferocious Posted July 26, 2011 Report Posted July 26, 2011 +1 For this suggestions but, adding a new set would change alot. See the imperial helmet, maybe it's a luxury to have a different color but, right now we pay 5000 for blue imp? if there is a new helm, imp price will drops alot too because the luxury will be to have the "victor helm."Also, if the imperial helm price's drop, we will waste too much time for woe for the items it give. Adding new wings would be great too. But I still don't think a new set will be good ^_^.
Seraphine Posted July 26, 2011 Report Posted July 26, 2011 I agree with the wings color. I disagree with the sets. Why? same as xtopher " No pvp se/t should be stronger than f.king set and no aura should be stronger than emp ". Another reason? the fking set is a donation item, there shouldn't be anything that gives a better boost than a donation item, excluding the emperium aura, as in the ladder, well add another effect to the sgw, like 10% more hp that would make them more interesting :p Adding more effects to Sgw or Raw isn't predictable because many people already have them and wouldn't be fair in the slightest. Also about adding New Sets and Aurora's that are better than the Forsaken King Set,and Emperium/Skull Aurora doesn't really need to be done because if you do that your bridging the gap between new players and experienced players even further,also with that even stronger items would be created which everything would need to be re-blanaced again,maybe we could slowly progress into a new set or a few better parts like In quests but doing such for PvP ladder isn't really predictable since it's monopolized but only a few people.
nines Posted July 26, 2011 Author Report Posted July 26, 2011 So im going to assume none of u read the last post I made.
Nelly Posted July 26, 2011 Report Posted July 26, 2011 I agree with the wings color. I disagree with the sets.
nines Posted July 26, 2011 Author Report Posted July 26, 2011 Alright I seriously recommend you guys read the last post on the first page that I made. Or ima go put it in the first post and u guys can enjoy long ass topic.
