nines Posted February 19, 2011 Report Posted February 19, 2011 This class shouldn't be allowed to wear gtb at all. It can null all magic in a second and its just stupid that they can even use a gtb since there skills are better than gtb. I know most people will want to agree to this because they know its the truth but they'll say no because they want to use gtb no matter what <<.
Seraphine Posted February 19, 2011 Report Posted February 19, 2011 You'r correct nines but what if a proff was to go up against a priest or something and they were fcped+gtbing and they were attempting to coma you it's basiclly he coma's you at least until fcp runs out then you might be able to divest him but comaing someone in 10 minutes isn't really hard. You have to look at it in a different perspective. Anyone else wanting to comment on the matter please share you'r opinions i'd like to know what you think about gtb on proffs.
Seraphine Posted February 19, 2011 Report Posted February 19, 2011 Yes that works but not in every situation like a 2 vs 1(Proff+Clown vs Proff) proff can magnetic earth while the clown is spamming tarot and or av until fcp runs out then the proff can divest your shield and your screwed.However you will rarely run into a situation like that, im just trying to think of every possible way this could effect proffs.
nines Posted February 19, 2011 Author Report Posted February 19, 2011 (edited) If your a prof you hp sucks, your sp gets eaten and you try to keep it up so your using more yggs and seeds to keep ur reducts going. If you put gtb on by a clown you'll die. If the prof couldn't use gtb it'd be easy to preoccupy them. Stone curse them. Magnetic Cancel. Heavens Drive. Move up, Stone Curse. If that doesn't work keep spamming bolts they'll try to take an opportunity to kill while ur sitting in wof from magnetic cancel clowns useless can't jt u out cause of higher int and ur tanking his dmg easy cause of no gtb. Your in the winning situation vs the prof and it makes it fair actually since this class is quite op if you know how to use it right ( I never use a gtb because I know how to use it right ) But it becomes just a complete gay factor if they do use gtb because then they are the true definition of unkillable if they want to be >> I play legitly on them and don't abuse that shit thats why I never gtb. Edited February 19, 2011 by nines
Kittie Posted February 19, 2011 Report Posted February 19, 2011 I don't doubt that a Professor has an array of skills at their disposal in order to counteract magical attacks, but in the end, implementing a suggestion like this is unfair to Professor-playing people as it essentially limits the group to a certain playstyle that a handful of people are comfortable with. I don't believe the staff or even you yourself should be in charge of what other people want to use as anti-magic cards. Granted it is annoying but its not up to the server to decide who can and cannot use GTB if they want to.
Halion Posted February 19, 2011 Report Posted February 19, 2011 you mean to change the gtb effect on profs?, what effect can be?
nines Posted February 19, 2011 Author Report Posted February 19, 2011 (edited) Never said im in charge of profs and make the decisions for them....And that play style is not even a style....its just being a pussy. And Halion if anything id prefer gtb to be -50% magic if used on a prof. Edited February 19, 2011 by nines
Sorrow Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 Yes because Land Protector stops coma and Wall of Fog reflects Dispell ^^ i usually love your ideas nines, but this one doesn't seen really good. i don't think it's good to poke at all on this card if it's not for everyone. Profesors aren't really a super almighty class to think of nerfing it.
Masahiro Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) Yes because Land Protector stops coma and Wall of Fog reflects Dispell ^^ i usually love your ideas nines, but this one doesn't seen really good. i don't think it's good to poke at all on this card if it's not for everyone. Profesors aren't really a super almighty class to think of nerfing it. lol i find this funny, 9s is here talking about nurfing his main and fav class and your trying to say prof isnt almighty everything is balanced but i'd have you know without GTB profs would utterly destroy everything else aside from that, i honestly believe that GTB in all aspects should not nullify magic i believe myself that GTB should be at least 65%-85% reductions from magic or something (make it somehow similar to what friggs and unsaok would defend against physical and demi etc) the effect of not getting coma'd or dispel while on it should be maintained though (and if it loses its total immunity factor, that is not an OK to put on demi resist capability on it) but really, if any of you would consider it, gtb as an existence is THE dumbest thing ever, they should never have made it. (yes i know magic defense bla bla w/e) Yeah on a low rate it wouldn't be accessible to most, but especially as we are on high rates things are different. i'd like to restart the movement for a nurf towards GTB. GTB makes people Not want to play magic classes even if gtb took away 99% of magic damage but 1% got through, a lot of people would play it... fro staff please re-consider what we are saying here. on behalf of 9s, Zac, Edu and the other profs i urge you..(think about it, if you were getting ganged and you went to a GTB shield unless you were a paladin you were probably going to die from some lingering champ because of no unsaok anyways. on that basis you wouldnt gtb anyways, you'd just ygg spam) its the solo game 1v1 prof vs whoever that's affected , hence why should profs and wizards be the ones who are forced to be 100% neutralized? (i do understand that having leak damage would make wizard skills annoying without total immunity..but still...deal w/ it) my more-stupid alt suggestion -> take out GTB entirely BUT implement items such as wings or rucs or something that give a combination of magic defense and demi human defense, or something along those lines. (like real real Magic defense, not fail immunity) Edited February 20, 2011 by Masahiro
Seraphine Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 If gtb was to be taken out proffs in general would dominate almost every class, even just making it 50% they would still rape although i can't really speak for everyone on the matter.
Masahiro Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) yeah lol 50% is rape, thats why im talkning about making it as if they had a friggs unsaok type defense only a LOT more because magix + double bolt = insane spam at 195 aspd ..insane so this is touchy lol sumwhere upwards of 80-85% reduct to magic i kina wanna say make it so the AOE will also not be able to hit (but (1) thats biased and would hurt wizzies) and (2) thts even M@d3r source editing or w/e) but gtb nullifying Aoe would work nicely and 90% reduct from single target because both profs and wiz can still use single target.. JT + ice wall...who say ownt?.. use sight instead of some AOE on gtb to reveal..bcuz then profs and wizzies would be extremely annoying ..so its a touchy + tricky issue (but i truly believe Gravity's GTB should have had that effect from the start, cancel the AOE but single still hit ) Edited February 20, 2011 by Masahiro
nines Posted February 20, 2011 Author Report Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) Idc about gtb on other classes that much as long as I get good stave damage =.=. But if the class can null your magic thats just retarded. And btw to counter your coma / dispel shit. If the class can coma you if you gtb you die anyways. If the class can dispel you well guess what there anyone and if you gtb you very much well die. Edited February 20, 2011 by nines
Sorrow Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 i still think that as long as exists Maya and fruz, profs will NEVER dominate generally. i actually preffer to wear maya against a prof over GTB...its fun how they kill themselves and you don't have to move a finger ^^ They can still hit with Thunder Storm and Heaven's Drive, but those two skills are much more reasonable and easy to deal with. It even funnier if you're also a prof and goes Maya+Magic Rod. Besides, Magic has many counters, its just that people gear to defend only against physical attacks because their GTB will take care of all magic when they need to, so they don't worry about getting any other counters. Seing as GTB is around, none of the newer items has magic damage reduction in mind, with just a bit of work it is perfectly possible to balance out magic without needing of GTB. Meassures such as; -Take out the -50 MDef tao gives. -Adding more magic defense to Belts and F Set pieces. -Nerf Katrying card to ignore 1/4 of target's magic defense instead of ignoring all, so a magic user would have to choose between MDef piercing or spammability. -Add more elemental protection gear. -Wings such as Avians and RAW that reflect magic instead of physical damage. Try that allied to a GTB nerfed to 50%, and you'll see that Magical classes won't be that much of a bother & they'll be much more attractive to play with.
Kittie Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 When did this thread go from disabling GTB on profs to becoming another nerf GTB in general thread.
Seraphine Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Try to stay on topic of disabling gtb from proffs and not of nerfing gtb in general as Kittie stated.
Sorrow Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 i already said no to that, and gave my reasons~ So since expressing other thoughts on the matter, which by the way are directly linked, isn't allowed, i guess i'm done. See yas~
Seraphine Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Your opinions are appreciated but try to stay on the matter of Disabling gtb from proffs not a general nerf of gtb to all classes that is something completly different.
Ryuk Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Disabling gtb for profs, I'm afraid I'd have to disagree. It is true that good profs do not need the gtb card to survive properly (99% of the time). However everyone should still be able to use this card. Yes professors have many defensive skills as they're supposed to be a defending class not a full offense one. However just because profs can survive without gtb doesn't mean gtb should be disabled for them. Good profs only have an advantage over the bad profs since they can wear reductions at all times instead of giving up reductions for gtb. In my opinion it only makes it easier to beat profs whenever they equip the gtb card, not harder.
HerLove Posted February 22, 2011 Report Posted February 22, 2011 The argument for the suggestion makes no sense.If you do not want to use gtb on your prof then dont do so.Do not try to then change it for everyone else because you feel you are able to play comfortably without it that others who use it for other things than pvp should have to do the same.I disagree with changing the card at all for professors because like someone said before (I think) , it causes no harm and this change would only put a limit on the class for no good reason.
Seraphine Posted February 22, 2011 Report Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) Disabling gtb from one class isn't really fair also it's a play style and you can't just remove it from proffs arsenal because you feel a certain way about it like it's "Noobish". Edited February 22, 2011 by Seraphine
nines Posted February 22, 2011 Author Report Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) (Smells people trying to save there own asses) Never said it was noobish in here. Hell yah its noobish to do it in game makes you a fucking pussy. Your all looking at it just as its a play style and it would put a limit? Ok how is putting on a gtb a play style....seriously explain that to me because I just don't get it. A play style is how you use your class and this class is an anti magic class so the play style is already built into it so why bother having gtb on the class? Because some people aren't good with it? Well you ever hear about taking off the training wheels? You'll never get better if you keep the training wheels on the whole time. And a limit to the class?.........................Ok wow Gtbing limits my class by making it so I die to asura like nothing......gtb makes it so any melee class or range class can own me like nothing. *Removes the limiter in this sense the gtb* Oh look im able to tank asura, thana, range, tarot, and magic all at once now that I took my gtb off. I feel much better and I've gained more confidence in me using this class I actually like this more. P.s Edu - The prof named Dudu was taught by Mike (My neighbor) who originally made Thesik known as the godly prof who can kill everyone and made peoples butts tighten up and gtb him on sight. Dudu used to use gtb and now he hates gtb on prof because of well....the reasons I just listed I think :O *(Wonders if anyone else would feel this way instead of posting there opinion before testing)* People....I know your all human but theres a limit to trying to save your own hides. Yay incoming omg nines ur such a troll such a flamer replies. But tell me im wrong. Do it you obviously know im right and your trying real hard to find a reason as to why I might in your logic be wrong so fire away ^^ Eh wtf ever Trans has already said no to the suggestion so not gonna go through. Just shut the topic >> bunch of babies. Edited February 22, 2011 by nines
Kayleigh Posted February 22, 2011 Report Posted February 22, 2011 (Smells people trying to save there own asses) Never said it was noobish in here. Hell yah its noobish to do it in game makes you a fucking pussy. Your all looking at it just as its a play style and it would put a limit? Ok how is putting on a gtb a play style....seriously explain that to me because I just don't get it. A play style is how you use your class and this class is an anti magic class so the play style is already built into it so why bother having gtb on the class? Because some people aren't good with it? Well you ever hear about taking off the training wheels? You'll never get better if you keep the training wheels on the whole time. And a limit to the class?.........................Ok wow Gtbing limits my class by making it so I die to asura like nothing......gtb makes it so any melee class or range class can own me like nothing. *Removes the limiter in this sense the gtb* Oh look im able to tank asura, thana, range, tarot, and magic all at once now that I took my gtb off. I feel much better and I've gained more confidence in me using this class I actually like this more. P.s Edu - The prof named Dudu was taught by Mike (My neighbor) who originally made Thesik known as the godly prof who can kill everyone and made peoples butts tighten up and gtb him on sight. Dudu used to use gtb and now he hates gtb on prof because of well....the reasons I just listed I think :O *(Wonders if anyone else would feel this way instead of posting there opinion before testing)* People....I know your all human but theres a limit to trying to save your own hides. Yay incoming omg nines ur such a troll such a flamer replies. But tell me im wrong. Do it you obviously know im right and your trying real hard to find a reason as to why I might in your logic be wrong so fire away ^^ Eh wtf ever Trans has already said no to the suggestion so not gonna go through. Just shut the topic >> bunch of babies. Lmao. Trans already said no so it wont get through? Where does this come from? It has nothing to do with the guild. I don't understand your suggestion to be honest. Just because prof is an anti-magic class, does that mean gtb has to be disabled for it? So, apparently in your opinion everyone has to be "pro" if they want to play the class, because 2-3 guys who play prof regularly dont like gtb. I played prof too and I dont see a reason for gtb to be taken away. I'd use maya for a duel with another prof and I'd use gtb sometimes against a clown/gypsy. So I strongly disagree. Yea, with gtb on you cant tank asura and whatnot, but thats the whole sense about it. If you wear gtb it will save you from magic but you gotta find a way to survive all other attacks. And youre telling me everyone who uses gtb is a pussy right? What I could agree with is reducing the effect to maybe 90% (heck even 50-60%!) or something. But disabling it fully is unfair to people who arent as practiced or who are new. After all, every child still needs training wheels ;) were not all grown ups yet. Nines, usually I find your suggestions good and they make sense but this one just doesnt really.
Chae Rin Posted February 22, 2011 Report Posted February 22, 2011 Lol this suggestion turned more into a rant than anything
Kittie Posted February 22, 2011 Report Posted February 22, 2011 Putting GTB on a professor is a playstyle when against certain classes. You'd certainly want GTB on your professor when getting a devotion from a paladin during GvG so you don't get dispelled. Or against a Lex Priest and Asura Champion combo. Why should other classes get to use GTB when Professors can't? That's the dumbest thing I've heard.
