Halion Posted February 2, 2011 Report Posted February 2, 2011 I just checked the people banned from ladder and it use to say forever, but since that rule changed those who were banned from ladder started laddering again and who knows if they cheated or not, my suggestion is to bring back that "banned forever" from ladder because if is just for some weeks they will be free to do it again and again on other characters/account changing their names. opinions!
Xtopher Posted February 2, 2011 Report Posted February 2, 2011 I'm in favor of permanent bans from ladder. No one likes cheaters. They don't deserve a prize and they certainty don't deserve a second chance.
nines Posted February 2, 2011 Report Posted February 2, 2011 Should link the ladder up to sql so it recognizes the account that logs in and flag them if they go into pvp so kills don't count. Would be an annoying process and people could change accounts but it would keep one account with maybe vote items etc off. And its easy to tell if the person laddering is the same person also, so could just ask a gm to watch em.
Seraphine Posted February 2, 2011 Report Posted February 2, 2011 Im gonna have to disagree for the following reasons: 1:People deserve a second chance 2:That's why if you cheat 4 or 5 times i think it's a premanent ban 3:"Banned forever" Is kinda to much i think for just there first warning 4:Im going to refrence this to something like when someone Abuses the broadcaster the 1st time isn't a permanent ban first it's 5hours then 10hours then a day etc each time the length of ban gets longer annd longer which works Too sum everything up the way the ladder cheaters get banned works so why fix something that's not broken?
kuoch Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Sometimes, people get banned over lame screen shots that wasn't even true. No matter how random the screen shot was. At least let them have a way to clear their names. Then again, some of us obviously know who cheated and who didn't when it comes to laddering.
sessions Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 I think the first time offense should be a couple weeks or a month maybe, after the second time with good evidence I say permanent. If you just blow your second chance that's your own problem.
Ryuk Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Second chance, maybe but certainly not more than that. I mean ladder cheating is not something you do "on accident". It's a choice you make and you know full well what you're doing when you do it. I do not think you can compare this to BCabuse in any way since broadcast abuse is a subject of discussion and most of the time based on GM's judgement ( Which B/C is considered abuse and which isn't ? there's always cases which are unclear.) however with Ladder Cheating it's quite obvious whether players cheated or not. Giving people a second chance is doable. But with an offense such as this one no more than 2 chances should be given (in my opinion)
Seraphine Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 (edited) I know what you mean i was just comparing the way in which people were banned with progressively longer lengths of time i say 3 chances 1st:2month ban 2nd:4month ban 3rd:permanent ban Just trying to suggest something reasonable cause sometimes people can be framed by someone going into pvp room with a character and no gears and feeding that person and it's hard to tell if it was by a friend of that person or not. Edited February 3, 2011 by Seraphine
Kayleigh Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 I know what you mean i was just comparing the way in which people were banned with progressively longer lengths of time i say 3 chances 1st:2month ban 2nd:4month ban 3rd:permanent ban Just trying to suggest something reasonable cause sometimes people can be framed by someone going into pvp room with a character and no gears and feeding that person and it's hard to tell if it was by a friend of that person or not. On one hand, I agree with you about not being able to tell sometimes whether it's a friend feeding them or someone who just wants to kill them all the time and giving them kills that way. On the other hand, I don't think 3 chances should be given. If you get framed once, then I'm sure anyone would be careful on the next try. Just don't keep killing the same person if you feel they're trying to get you banned that way. And well if you really intentionally cheat the ladder, then 3 chances are way too much for someone like that. Seeing as you can just switch account as a way out, too. I say: First cheat = 2 - 3 months ban Second cheat = permanent ban
Xtopher Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 When someone cheats they have a internal cost and benefit analysis. They know what they are doing is wrong and they know how much time is spent on ladder. They weigh the cost of cheating if caught and the benefits if they aren't caught. They devalue ladder, ladder prizes, pvp, and the server as a whole. I don't think slight offenses like broadcast abuse are really the same as ladder cheating. A BC abuse enters your chat and leaves your mind after a few minutes/seconds. Sure, some BC abuse is hurtful and offensive but it's still not the same. People cheating in ladder can make someone else's entire weeks work worthless. This isn't an offense you commit for fun or in a small fit of anger like BC abuse, spamming, and flaming. This is something you plan out. However, people shouldn't be banned unless the GM team/administration is certain that they cheated purposefully (not being framed). Innocent until proven guilty, but once you're proven guilty I don't think you deserve a second chance. A lot of people only ladder every few months or so anyway so banning them for a few months seems useless to me.
nines Posted February 3, 2011 Report Posted February 3, 2011 Cheaters should never be rewarded. If you cheat in any sport you get called on it and loose instantly. And most of the times get kicked out of that league. If you cheat here 99% chance ur a pinoy and they really don't give a flying fudge about the rules. (Yes I brought in the race card if you try to deny it on ro of all games u know ur lieing) If u cheat perma ban >> second chances only deserve to go to people who actually did something on accident like got a DUI or end up on Tosh.0 for a web redemption. If you knowingly go and cheat go fuck yourself....play the game to have fun laugh at some one for killing them not cheat because ur a lil pussy ass shit and can't win legitly. Fuck noobs go to hell get banned mofos.
Kusanagi Posted February 5, 2011 Report Posted February 5, 2011 jajaj yeah Its incredible how filipines people cheat so awfully good, just take my strategy, get the first place, then they will get desperate and start cheating, take that chance to take screens or call GMs to watch the whole scene. One something you should notice is they are awfully good at ganging, they will first kill you before bringing leechers so the best option is to call a GM as taking screenshots its hard.
Halion Posted February 6, 2011 Author Report Posted February 6, 2011 Should link the ladder up to sql so it recognizes the account that logs in and flag them if they go into pvp so kills don't count. Would be an annoying process and people could change accounts but it would keep one account with maybe vote items etc off. And its easy to tell if the person laddering is the same person also, so could just ask a gm to watch em. indeed, it shouldn't be counted <.< Im gonna have to disagree for the following reasons: 1:People deserve a second chance 2:That's why if you cheat 4 or 5 times i think it's a premanent ban 3:"Banned forever" Is kinda to much i think for just there first warning 4:Im going to refrence this to something like when someone Abuses the broadcaster the 1st time isn't a permanent ban first it's 5hours then 10hours then a day etc each time the length of ban gets longer annd longer which works Too sum everything up the way the ladder cheaters get banned works so why fix something that's not broken? Ladder is different than any of other events, is 24/7! Sometimes, people get banned over lame screen shots that wasn't even true. No matter how random the screen shot was. At least let them have a way to clear their names. Then again, some of us obviously know who cheated and who didn't when it comes to laddering. There should be like a kills log so gms check the people they've killed like, if this guy killed 50 times the same guys means he cheated. there no more proof to report gm did his job very well
Veracity Posted March 3, 2011 Report Posted March 3, 2011 The ladder punishment system is fine as it is for the time being. If it becomes a considerable problem we may reevaluate the issue. - Rejected -
