Suggestion Poll

[Masahiro]

i think it would be a good idea is there was a permanent Vote poll at the top of each suggestion

so that readers or visitors can either comment or vote or do both and still have a proper input in a suggestion without having to put into words their views on the subject matter

e.g if the Gms want to administer a change to a skill or item. **once it is not harmfull/ abusive** they can create a poll and the community vote and if the community rather-ed something stay the way it was and the Gms did not but the community got the higher vote, it should stay that way (again unless something was clearly abusive or unjust or unbalanced) (within acceptable limitations and final word by Gen and Reli etc)

likewise in player suggested items, at the head of every post, a poll could be there and each account allowed 1 vote either for or against the suggestion.

this would (1) boost forum interaction and

(2) give the players a real sense of their opinion Meaning something.

[November Thunder]

Sounds good mario.

[Cirrus]

Polls are easily cheated by multiple forum accounts, whereas individual posts can be tracked by the IP address and therefore would count for a more solid opinion rather than just a tick & click vote.

Just because the community votes for a certain thing and overwhelms the staff's decision doesn't mean it should 100% be implemented as it is; the community does not know the exact scripts of the suggestions, and all of the factors they have to consider. This in turn is up to the staff, to bring in elements of a suggestion to be implemented with their own version of what they would've implemented, and I rather it stay that way.

I am not disagreeing because I am against the suggestion, just for the sake of being sure, a poll is not necessary in my opinion. Players still, and always will, have their opinions mean something, as shown by a myriad of accepted & implemented suggestions. And for forum interaction, voting using a poll isn't really interaction, them posting their opinion backed up by valid reasons is the one called real interaction.

[Ryuk]

I prefer it the way it is. This way players elaborate their decision whether they agree or disagree. By just voting many people wont take the efford to elaborate.

[Masahiro]

Polls are easily cheated by multiple forum accounts, whereas individual posts can be tracked by the IP address and therefore would count for a more solid opinion rather than just a tick & click vote.

Just because the community votes for a certain thing and overwhelms the staff's decision doesn't mean it should 100% be implemented as it is; the community does not know the exact scripts of the suggestions, and all of the factors they have to consider. This in turn is up to the staff, to bring in elements of a suggestion to be implemented with their own version of what they would've implemented, and I rather it stay that way.

I am not disagreeing because I am against the suggestion, just for the sake of being sure, a poll is not necessary in my opinion. Players still, and always will, have their opinions mean something, as shown by a myriad of accepted & implemented suggestions. And for forum interaction, voting using a poll isn't really interaction, them posting their opinion backed up by valid reasons is the one called real interaction.

we know about the multiple account problem, but i did say the poll was a suppliment to the comments below and not to take it over, but to get a better idea on teh general consensus..idk someone who would something implimented so badly to make 100 different accounts? how can they when there will be a log of created accounts.

also you have to register an email when making an account, so unless they make multiple emails, forum mods do not need to check IP adresses esp when 1 email can hold multiple accounts, just use that as the limiting factor if you can (i would not know), apart from all of that it would create more server interaction and the average Joe will now see on his broadcast :

are you new to forsakenRo? Want to be part of the community? Why not introduce yourself on the forums! Take part in our Daily polls to help improve the server! we want to get to know you!, YOUR opinions matter, and not the 30something ppl active in forums daily.

the myriad of accepted and rejected suggestions doesn't mean anything, i never said suggestions never got the Pass or Fail, what im saying is, only a select group of players determine them, and that can be changed. there are millions of people who could have the potential to have an opinion on an idea, but do not want to voice in words this idea.

do you not elect a class president via a poll?, an average class may have 30 something people, why wouldnt ever1 just comment in a suggestion box then?

my point is, this idea can serve to supplement the already existing suggestion threads, all it would allow for is the Gms to see more graphically/ statistically the general consensus on an idea rather than reading through individual comments and weeding through the ambiguity.

i also did mention that the Gms would have the supreme decision in the end, so even if the server voted for a certain thing and the Gms do not accept it, they have no obligation to change it.

By just voting many people wont take the effort to elaborate

Many players already don't

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your telling me this 1 group of people has authority to speak for an entire server?..and half of these people barely speak up in forums...

+1 for the poll please

Edited January 7, 2011 by Masahiro

[jorgesilvera]

I agree at 100000000% with what Masahiro said.

Ductal who hurt

I have noticed that the same (more or less) number of people are the one that have the pawerr at Suggetion Themes. Why not An Iinternet Protocol Recongincer? With this in-game will be request a VERY HIGH PROPAGANDA that spread the Themes on the server "Log In and Dawloading Wall Perper that aunse this and this, Broad Cast Messages and even by the word of a GM in a event. Even people that do not are forum but play a lot do not lnow what is happening. when the upgrade is relased i see pople uselay saying "God deamed why this ****** " "I quit" and thing like that HAVE HAPPEN, say that thing like that do not happen is a lie and the actual sugetion system is not enoght, why? I usualy see from the satff "Let us whait the point of by of the community" 7 post and that is? Also .Actualy how many topic have been rejected without eny explanation just 3 lines of everyview and that is? Like us when posting a suggetion we want also Full analisis why can not be done "this and this".

Sorry if i was aggressive.

Edited January 7, 2011 by jorgesilvera

[Xtopher]

Polling is too easy. We need constructive thought. It's hard enough to pull comments greater than "I disagree" or "+1 I agree" as it is. If we add polls some people won't even post or share thoughts. In my opinion the process of debating/discussing things is often just as important or more important than the topic being discussed. A lot of great ideas show up not in the original post/suggestion but rather are products of the discussion in the thread. Making it a poll kills the incentive for a lot of people to even post.

And as Cirrus said: You can artificially inflate polls with multiple accounts. I have about 6 email addresses that I could make forum accounts for and inflate any suggestion I make. As you said; not many people visit the forum or post so those 6 accounts could make a difference in a poll.

Whats more you could just go in-game and tell your friends to vote in favor of your pole without them adding any thought to the process.... Just empty votes. Hell, you could even pay people in-game to vote in your favor.

[Masahiro]

Polling is too easy. We need constructive thought. It's hard enough to pull comments greater than "I disagree" or "+1 I agree" as it is. If we add polls some people won't even post or share thoughts. In my opinion the process of debating/discussing things is often just as important or more important than the topic being discussed. A lot of great ideas show up not in the original post/suggestion but rather are products of the discussion in the thread. Making it a poll kills the incentive for a lot of people to even post.

And as Cirrus said: You can artificially inflate polls with multiple accounts. I have about 6 email addresses that I could make forum accounts for and inflate any suggestion I make. As you said; not many people visit the forum or post so those 6 accounts could make a difference in a poll.

Whats more you could just go in-game and tell your friends to vote in favor of your pole without them adding any thought to the process.... Just empty votes. Hell, you could even pay people in-game to vote in your favor.

Lol right you could pay or coerce others to vote in your favor, but guess what you can do that now anyways. I can tell my friend to go and say something positive about my post or just downright agree anyways, words or not that fact does not change.

Jorge with the recognition software made a good point, and chris yes, with the current system your 6 accounts would matter, but the bigger picture lies, when not just 24 ppl are on, but 200.

then where does your 6 accounts lie?.. also generally if you were that desperate common sense would say its probably something others liek you would want, but at the end of the day if Gen and others say no.. your 6 votes counted for naught

also i think people are missing my point that these will not replace comments, but will add to them so at the top people can see statistically what others feel about the subject and comment accordingly if they feel passionate about it.

because it is better to have a small opinion and vote passively than to have a large opinion and decide your too cowardly to comment, especially when there's bandwagonists in the forums.

the vote poll will only supplement the suggestion thread and allow for easier viewing of where the suggestion is heading and it can also show exactly HOW many people have an opinion and therefore its importance as a suggestion (apart from the view counter)

[Veracity]

As people have said, it's very easy to abuse/fix the poll system. Regardless of that, accepting or rejecting suggestions is never merely about the majority vote. It's always up to the administration whether or not something is accepted. Sometimes even though players may want something, it's either not practical or not possible at the time. We always look at player's input in the topics, and I personally feel that meaningful, intelligent posts that explain the reasoning behind a suggestion and its pros and cons is much more valuable than 10 yes and 20 no. I understand why you're suggesting what you are, but honestly if people can't be bothered to make an account on the forum and provide an explanation of what they would like and why, it's not our fault but theirs. It's like if you don't go out to the polls to vote, you have no right to complain about the outcome. Everyone's input is more than welcomed, it's simply up to them if they would like to contribute or not.

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