Lord Knight Black Halberd's Spiral Pierce

[Encyclopedia]

i went full spiral with +str cards on helms and stuff

Lmao. Don't mean to flame you or anything, but you need 3 kiels to spam spiral pierce. Adding +str cards that compound on your helmet would greatly impede your capabilities of spamming.. someone who has barely played (read: never) Lord Knight should not talk about what changes need to be done with Lord Knight. I respect the other's input however. ^^

Edited November 16, 2010 by Encyclopedia

[jorgesilvera]

Please stay on topic. If you are going to speack about Lord Knight Black Halberd's Spell Power go to http://forum.forsaken-ro.net//index.php?showtopic=18758. Also avoid insulting and joking.

Edited November 16, 2010 by jorgesilvera

[OverRated]

Lmao. Don't mean to flame you or anything, but you need 3 kiels to spam spiral pierce. Adding +str cards that compound on your helmet would greatly impede your capabilities of spamming.. someone who has barely played (read: never) Lord Knight should not talk about what changes need to be done with Lord Knight. I respect the other's input however. ^^

i have i played it before the wep was made and after it was made before the nerf and after

[Terroryst]

Didn't we already discuss this?

[Kush]

+1 for this (=

since we donated for it , i think it would be better to make it 150% or higher since they removed Coma.

[Adum*]

im with those who disagree on this topic. seriously now people, when they released those valk weap, the only skills i see getting spammed was spiral. then a bunch of "omg high dmg omg omg omg!!" running around randoming people. oh! dont bring that...but we donated for it.....just cause you donated for something doesnt mean you should get OP equips. i donated for my bow and nerf it or whatever idc...i can still fight with my fbow anyway. this kind of topic is sickening. the server aim for balance. you think what youre suggesting is balance?! they turned 200% into 100%, ok big deal. if you're skillful as what you claim yourself to be, then dont QQ here and shit and go figure out a way how you can fight any other class.

[OverRated]

+1 for this (=

since we donated for it , i think it would be better to make it 150% or higher since they removed Coma.

this shows more of wanting shit that helps you rather then balance.

so i donate 100 $ for a rucky that should mean i get the most op shit right? no wrong

it was fixed for a reason

[Sakura.]

Agree.

[Superman^*]

@overated. The ONLY shit you need to balance is the SNIPER SOARING BIRD, they are extremedly OP imo. The skill focus arrow strike is so ridiculous OP, they can hit around 10 cells dealing a good dmg, there is so much things to nerf about sniper class and clown sb. That's another topic.

I super duper fking agree with getting back the Spiral Pierce 200% or at least 150% atk back. I see no reason why?.

Edited November 17, 2010 by Superman^*

[Perishable]

How is it unfair? Back that up. You are lucky they give 100% more damage with spiral pierce. Weapons aren't suppose to do that at all. You don't just use the Lord Knight Black Halberd for Spiral Piercing. You use with all the other skills too. Don't depend on Spiral Pierce to win. It was extremely high damage with 200%. Alot of players could not take it.

[Superman^*]

How it is unfair? I see it really unfair if you are talking about balancing class. They are suppose to make a little changes on the LKH, not nerfing the weapon at all.

[OverRated]

taking off coma and spliting the damage in half is fair.

what isnt fair is the fact that lk is probibly one of the most versitile classes and all you guys want is to make it the best class ever

[Perishable]

The Lord Knight Black Halberd is not nerf at all. The 200% more damage with Spiral Pierce was adjusted down to 100% from what I heard. Speaking of balancing class, all of the classes right now are all unbalanced. So we cannot really talk about balance.

[Encyclopedia]

As far as I know, people were complaining about the coma-effect on the weapon in past suggestion topics. It was neither a discussion or a large-scale complaint about Lord Knight's damage. It is true that a certain unbalance still remains among classes, but they all seem to all have a great chance at defending themselves at this point. I have played Lord Knight on this server since mid-2008ish and while a force to be reckoned with at all times, the flourishing of items among players have given way to what was the inevitable; Sniper's long range capabilities and non-reliance on Element Enchantment Items can give a problem big problems when it comes to player killing, a Clown's crippling Tarot Card as well as there long range damage capabilities give Lord Knights great trouble, they are on the even par with Assassin Crosses I would say, at least when facing one another. I am not trying to discuss other classes, I am just saying that Lord Knights don't have the easy time you all paint when facing the most offensive and used classes. High HP means nothing when you can't touch your opponent. Before Spiral Pierce, what did people rely on? Bowling Bash? That skill pushes people away. I know that Supreamus is quite sufficient at killing people, but you weren't always watching him. I'm sure he had trouble against these classes at one point or another. Versatility comes at a price. Crappy offensive abilities that can be nullified by a few well placed Pneumas, and a skill that pushes your enemy away. The Lord Knight's Halberd breathed new life into this rarely used class. Now I don't really main Lord Knight, so you can't call me for being biased, but there damage was just on par with other classes. You can claim 'Oh well you can spam it indefinitely, you can use other skills, etc' but when it comes down to it, Spiral Pierce eats up a LOT of SP and you require to use a Yggdrasil Seed/Berry within 1 second if you wish to continue to spam that skill. You also require 3 Kiels to spam it, so you are susceptible to either Cloaking or Stone Curse, depending if you use 4 slots in your headgears. My bottom line is this:

1. Spiral Pierce, while spammable at an astounding rate, comes at a great SP usage price/sacrifice of headgear cards.

2. Other classes are privy to skills which are more fit to a PvP-style play. Tarot, Double Strafe (requires 0 kiels to spam), Focus Arrow Strike (more damage output per second, less SP usage), Sonic Blow (much greater damage output per spam, though a sacrifice of reduction is required). Bowling bash.. knocks your player away. That's counter-productive. Spiral Pierce is nice yes, but the damage can be reduced to that of Sniper wearing 1 Fallen Bishop Hibram Card in there boots without much effort.

We discussed the over-poweredness of the weapon's coma, but where's the great complaint for a reduction in damage? We all didn't seem to have a problem with it in the topics that were created prior to it being nerfed. Now we all suddenly jump on the bandwagon because it means one less class to fight. I challenge you to use a Lord Knight in PvP and use it EFFICIENTLY against snipers, clowns, and some of the better assassin crosses, a damage increase to at least 150% of it's previous 200% would not be hard to overcome.

[jorgesilvera]

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Lest us compare the Lord Knight Against the others classes Gyspies,Assasins Cross,Stalker...

What does the rules say: Don't Suggets Skill Edits...

Mmm What does Dancer and Bard Soul Link does? Alble to autouse songs...

Assasin Cross Soul Links give them +100% Soul Link...

Rogue Soul Link is usefull...

Lord Knight Soul Lin just allow to use One Hand Quiken (with sword) this againts Assasin Soul Link is unfair, Since it can not be edited why not concider the back of Spiral Pierce Ass a balance,How many sinx are conforming the Server population right now? More than 2/5 of the server population Have you seen that "Balanced part" Or also againt Other Linked class? My blood boils when i see an Assassin linked

but majority of the peopel who complaned about the coma also complained about the damage. hitting 12k each hit with a nonstop spam isnt fair at all

Maximun Damge was 9.4k Withput Blessing or str buff

im with those who disagree on this topic. seriously now people, when they released those valk weap, the only skills i see getting spammed was spiral. then a bunch of "omg high dmg omg omg omg!!" running around randoming people. oh! dont bring that...but we donated for it.....just cause you donated for something doesnt mean you should get OP equips. i donated for my bow and nerf it or whatever idc...i can still fight with my fbow anyway. this kind of topic is sickening. the server aim for balance. you think what youre suggesting is balance?! they turned 200% into 100%, ok big deal. if you're skillful as what you claim yourself to be, then dont QQ here and shit and go figure out a way how you can fight any other class.

this shows more of wanting shit that helps you rather then balance.

so i donate 100 $ for a rucky that should mean i get the most op shit right? no wrong

it was fixed for a reason

What if I do this to you guys. Put all the new bows one more time 2nd without a prior notice?

Whot that piss off you or you won't cry? Of curse yes. Or how a common person will react?

The Lord Knight Black Halberd is not nerf at all. The 200% more damage with Spiral Pierce was adjusted down to 100% from what I heard. Speaking of balancing class, all of the classes right now are all unbalanced. So we cannot really talk about balance.

Why not try to blance the server? A fair server is a btter server for evryone, the ones that do not wnat it up one moe time aren't balancing ur server how mnay LK do you see arraund?

Cheeck even this: a comon woe day how mnay Lord Knight you see?(Other that me)

Edited November 17, 2010 by jorgesilvera

[Terroryst]

How many LKs would you see on ANY WoE day? I've only known like 4 LK breakers, including me, and other than that they're only used for defense.

[Shadi]

but there damage was just on par with other classes. You can claim 'Oh well you can spam it indefinitely, you can use other skills, etc' but when it comes down to it

LKs damage output was way higher than any other...I played the LK class when the weapon first came out and I'll be fair, the weapon was WAY too overpowered, both in damage and the coma rate. Even with this 'nerf' the LK damage is higher than several other classes (Merchant class for example ?)

Maximun Damge was 9.4k Withput Blessing or str buff

My damage was way higher than that on 55% reductions o.o;

Why not try to blance the server? A fair server is a btter server for evryone, the ones that do not wnat it up one moe time aren't balancing ur server how mnay LK do you see arraund

I agree , lets try to balance the server more, instead of making one class overpowered and leaving the rest behind. There are other classes that need boosts more than Lord Knight. LK already is the most versitile class, with the best survivability and one of the best skill sets (both ranged and melee), And now you want to have the highest damage output as well ? I dont see how that's balanced.

Also how does that screenshot proof anything ? How many snipers do you see ? How many clowns do you see ? There are more Whitesmiths on the screenshot than clowns and snipers. Does that mean WS is played more often than snipers/clowns or WS is a better class ? No, not at all...

[Encyclopedia]

Your opponent removed their 55% reductions, or changed to a deviling card/an armor which you gave you an elemental advantage then. Damage did not surpass 9.7k at any point on 55% demi-human reductions. I mained Lord Knight almost the entire time the Halberd was out in it's original form and used 300 str as well as all str-increase items. I would know my own classes damage well. If you want balance for other classes, bring it up in it's own appropriate topic. Lord Knight's versatility comes at a steep SP-cost price, as well to being limited to close range skills, and one skill that actually makes it HARDER to hit their opponent (knock back). The damage reduction was never discussed with the public, nor was it widely complained about. The damage was not too overpowered, it was on par with what other classes like sniper/clown/assassin cross can do.

[Perishable]

Well, if they do put this shit back. I'm going to learn and main Lord Knight. Cause most of the classes cannot balance a fight with Lord Knight.

[Dudu]

Omggg this is getting annoying.

I know the Lk's are angry because they removed the 200% of the Spiral.

But what pisses me of is............When ppl says " Omg lets balance the server more with 150% dmg or w/e. SRSLY How can you BALANCE CLASSES WITH AN OP SKILL THAT STUNS U AND LIKE IT HAS INFINITE SPAM!?

I remember when i saw this halbred got out, evryone was soo happy with them cuz, they go like spam spiral and ygg and oops omg u just got coma'd.

If they ever "Fix" this. Mark my words : Ill stop using prof and main that LK like Somdara said.

Aaaaaaaaaand if you guys wants to balance the server and blablabla....Start with the classes that NEEDS a balance.Want me to mention some of them? No i want, ask yourself ;]

[Adum*]

What if I do this to you guys. Put all the new bows one more time 2nd without a prior notice?

Whot that piss off you or you won't cry? Of curse yes. Or how a common person will react?

im with those who disagree on this topic. seriously now people, when they released those valk weap, the only skills i see getting spammed was spiral. then a bunch of "omg high dmg omg omg omg!!" running around randoming people. oh! dont bring that...but we donated for it.....just cause you donated for something doesnt mean you should get OP equips. i donated for my bow and nerf it or whatever idc...i can still fight with my fbow anyway. this kind of topic is sickening. the server aim for balance. you think what youre suggesting is balance?! they turned 200% into 100%, ok big deal. if you're skillful as what you claim yourself to be, then dont QQ here and shit and go figure out a way how you can fight any other class.

READ!

[Superman^*]

@Somdara. I guess they nerfed all the 200% spiral pierce boost, if it's still at 100% I guess is still fair but isn't.

Everyone can main LK if they want, but you forgot something: Skills. I guess anyone main the class they better play that's why I don't think we will see much than 5-7 LK's with the halberd playing around since the coma effect got nerf and there's still a lot of reduction gear nowadays. Remember, every class has their own weakness (eg: Pally>Sinx/Prof>GS) that's why LK is versatile and you will need a change of class to beat another class, it's like element (water>fire).

[Barbie]

i agree they should have asked players before doing the nerf... but the weapon was way too strong. if they completely removed the 200% then i could see why you guys are complaining, but its still at 100%. thats 100% more than you had before. lks are well off as they are.

Edited November 18, 2010 by Barbie

[Perishable]

Good enough already or no valk weapons at all.

[Adum*]

less qq more pew pew.

xD