Pvp Ladder Kills.

[Encyclopedia]

I remember sometime back, the administrative team made it so that kills towards the pvp ladder did not count if you killed/were killed within Guild Siege Castles. While this is great, their is still a few loopholes to be covered. Yes, those dreaded maps outside the Castles, in which kills/deaths count for the PvP Ladder.

If this wasn't already bad enough, PvP is enabled at ALL times. Now I'm not suggesting turning off PvP during non-WoE times, no. That would not be enough, people would still find ways to cheat during WoE. I say eradicate those kills counting towards the ladder, period. This server is great, but people are put off by the PvP room because they find their PvP thrills elsewhere, mostly during WoE and in for_fild01, which is great and all, but if you want to return the glory back to the PvP room, we need the PvP Ladder to be based soley on kills there, no where else where private cheating could occur or in an area so big that it cannot be monitored at all times.

If PvP was disabled within Guild Castles to limit cheating and bring fun/life back into the PvP room, then you can see that there's no other choice but to also eliminate it from areas outside castles. It's becoming a habit for people to cheat in those maps, and it's very hard to monitor those maps when their are plentiful and easily entered/left without notice.

I hope most, if not all, of you agree, and hope to see justice for those that truly dedicate themselves to the ladder, than those who simply cheat and bring shame to the PvP Ladder, thank you.

Edited October 11, 2010 by Encyclopedia

[Anarii]

Most definitely, cheating like such really ruins the integrity of the ladder system. What I hate more though is that people only view the PvP room as a place to ladder, whereas they will go to for_fild for actual "pvping". But that's another story.

[bankai`]

^ to much compeition going on and random killing and ganks this is why people don't to pvp and no on this cheating will occur.

[Miracle]

How will cheating occur if laddering is disabled in castles/areas outside castles, and only enabled inside the pvp room? Lol.

[Encyclopedia]

^ to much compeition going on and random killing and ganks this is why people don't to pvp and no on this cheating will occur.

Are you serious? Did you even read what I wrote before typing that? Not having this is actually the cause of cheating. Please research or actually play the server consistently to know what is going on/is best for the server.

My suggestion is to DISABLE ranking in ALL maps except LMS maps & the PvP Rooms, how would this encourage cheating? Please answer that.

Edited October 11, 2010 by Encyclopedia

[Miku]

I don't agree on keeping lms kills linked to pvp. Ie today I saw one of the people laddering kill 7 of there own clients, and they got credit for that. Easy to catch yes, stupid to do in front of gms who obviously have to host the event yes.

But still. People will always cheat and try to find ways around things. That's how humans are.

There was a suggestion I read over before about changing the pvp map so theres a perfect field of view so it would be nearly impossible for people to cheat and easy to get evidence on people who are cheating on the ladder. Id say we focus more on that suggestion and mapflag outside woe maps to not count on ladder and most all of our ladder problems will be resolved.

[Rvnender]

Why aren't GMs baning those who are exploiting it? If you start just out right banning people from doing it, then its going to send a message to the rest and it should (should being the keyword there) stop. I understand its hard to do since its large maps that no body goes too. But why not hire enforces? I was an enforcer on another server. Basically they were cops that the general public didn't know about. We would walk around (mostly during WoE) and look for people trying to exploit the system. After we found one, we would send a message to the GM in charge that day, and he would come and handle it as we sneak off into the sunset.

I like the idea of a PvP ladder (even though I don't do it myself), and I like the idea of it tracking all of your kills and deaths instead of ones in a predetermined location. Once the GMs start banning the idiots exploiting it, then it should be good.

Until then, I am for this. If its disabled in the castles themselves, then why is enabled out side the castles? I say disable all kills from being recorded on the ladder except those gotten in the PvP room. Until the random idiots who like to cheat are removed.

Edited October 11, 2010 by Rvnender

[Cirrus]

Cheaters do lose their place and are unable to partake in any future ladder attempts (banned from laddering, and alternate characters are checked if they attempt to ladder under different names.)

They do this if solid proof is presented or observed. Anyway, wasn't this already accepted? PvP kills counting toward the ladder at ***_gld maps should be disabled.

[nines]

Should be. It isn't though.

[ramonjordan]

I agree and they need to step up the ladder security 100% too many cheaters do this and its been going on for a couple years. People were banned until everyone got unbanned now people are monopolizing the ladder system with there friends to make easy cash it kinda defeats the whole pvp ladder purpose.

[supream]

disable pvp in woe maps when woe isnt going on. idc about lms. technically they have to kill everyone to win lms, so killing their alt accounts and others could be a questionable ban.

[wiwi]

i think LMS is not related due to others can kill the alt accounts too, not just you.

however, although i agree with the topic opener, the whole topic is too vague.

what CAN u do to stop cheating other than disable maps? what else? u need different ip? u need to be lvl 255? ....everyone is disguised ,fakename, and cant talk? just what is there to prevent cheating other than the system we have now?

[Halion]

i agree with this, disable all kills linked to pvp ladder in all pvp maps and only count kills on pvp room.

[supream]

i think LMS is not related due to others can kill the alt accounts too, not just you.

however, although i agree with the topic opener, the whole topic is too vague.

what CAN u do to stop cheating other than disable maps? what else? u need different ip? u need to be lvl 255? ....everyone is disguised ,fakename, and cant talk? just what is there to prevent cheating other than the system we have now?

having pvp turned off when woe isnt happening will make the only place to get kills to ladder would be lms and the pvp room where the gms can easily find cheating. and during woe you would only need like 4 gms to check the woe maps of the people whos laddering.

[Ryuk]

I can agree to disabling the pvp at the maps outside of the castles. If it's possible with the mapflags that is.

[Veracity]

We will definitely try to disable kills from counting on maps outside of WoE castles, I believe they were supposed to not count in the first place.

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