Lk Hallberd

[Kush]

what card should i put ? /ok

Edited September 28, 2010 by Frenzy™

[nines]

2x Tg Phree Skel Worker.

U'll need the phree trust me.

[Kush]

right now i got 455 hit without phree and i never miss

[jorgesilvera]

3 Tg 1 Skell or

3 tg and 1 Vr.

[Guest xonchu]

incan is not needed? just asking...

[nines]

Aura blade is incan.

[Cirrus]

No, as of some update a long ass time ago Aura Blade never really made your damage bypass defense. Spiral Pierce automatically ignores defense, so skipping the Incant would be fine, at least for Spiral Pierce.

If you're going to BB with a TG TG TG Skel or TG TG Phree Skel weapon you'll only do good damage if the 15-20% more damage card you put would be enough to overcome your opponent's hard DEF value (comes from armors and armor upgrades.) Generally people with +0 items would have near 0 DEF if he's wearing a Tao, so no Incant is still good.

That's why at least a backup weapon with Incant TG TG Skel/Phree is a good investment.

With the Phree thing, 455 HIT does enable you to hit most players, if they have more Flee you'd definitely need a Phree. Casting Magnum Break also works, but that's just a bonus 100 HIT for 10 seconds, and if your opponent is a high-Flee type, you'd still need a Phree after Magnum Break.

Edited September 29, 2010 by Cirrus

[Kush]

doesn't 3 TG or more than 2 cards stack ?

[Guest xonchu]

as far as i know u should go double TG and double skel work or double TG phree and skel

[emir]

Arent tg is stack?but if you a pally or sacrifice type:P you can use triple tgs. I think if you use valk dropping hat then valk card is much better because it is more cheap and its 5%/7% dispell with 1slot and 15%allstat :biggrin: :biggrin:

Edited September 30, 2010 by emir

[Cirrus]

As far as every old player in this server knows, we have no stacking limitations. So yes, 3 TGs stack. Contrary to popular belief, it doesn't matter if you split it like 2 TG right hand / 2 TG left hand (as with a SinX,) it would be the same as 4 TGs in the same weapon.

As for TG TG TG Skel versus TG TG Skel Skel, the former is 0.02% better than the latter. Not much difference, but if you're all about maximizing %s down to the 0.01%, go ahead and use Triple TG Skel.

[Guest xonchu]

i used 3 TG+1skel work my dmg was 9k and when i used double TG and 2 skel my dmg was 10k+ o.o

[Cirrus]

On what gear?

[Guest xonchu]

i think that was fdagger on right hand../

[Cirrus]

Dual wielding would involve different calculations. It has more than 4 modifier slots.

[Guest xonchu]

so lets say... what if bow? i used bow with 3x TG + skel right now and my dmg is kinda smal compared to 2x TG + 2x skel

[Cirrus]

I tested it with absolute damage (meaning, no range, it doesn't change). Martyr's Reckoning never fluctuates, so I used that skill.

3 TG + Skel on demihuman/medium monster = 46034

2 TG + 2 Skel on demihuman/medium monster = 45534

The numbers should do the talking.

[Guest xonchu]

incan + 3x TG on my soaring bow = 9500/9500 per hit on my friend with imma arrow coz he is using gr.

incan+ 2x TG+ 1x skel work on my soaring bow = 10530/10530 per hit of DS on my friend

[nines]

Or we can ask me about bow damage: 2x tg 2x skell ds = 15k :O.

Now stop talking about other classes there scripting has there values all mixed up anyways so they take different bonus's from other stuff plus you need to take into consideration weapon mastering or skills to improve damage. Back on topic <.<

Incan isn't needed for lks.....the bb damage with aura blade does work from what I've noticed and from what mikes noticed im guessing other wise he'd be qqing(supreamus mike).

2x tg 2x skel puts out the most damage for spiral.

2x tg phree skel puts out 300-400 less damage but you'll hit flee players pretty easy.

Its preference you want assurance or to bring the pain.

Edited September 30, 2010 by nines

[Cirrus]

Xonchu what you posted makes perfect sense, because you're talking about 3 damage modifier slots, not 4. We're not talking about 3 slots, we're talking about whether a third TG or a 2nd Skel is best for a fourth slot, so you got it all wrong. If you need an all around good damage for 3 slots it's TG TG Skel hands down.

So that ends the offtopic, sorry lmao.

Yeah nines is right most of the time assurance is better, you'll never know when a flee h00r comes and you can't hit at all. Of course, you could just have another weapon for it but that's not a choice for most people.

[Guest xonchu]

ok i understand ._. :O sorry for the too much of an offtopic LOL

[Kush]

I used 3 TG 1 Skel it sucks ! 2TG 2Skel is better

[Guest xonchu]

^ now that speaks :o

[Kush]

i think in different servers also , 3 cards or 4 cards never stacks . idk why

[Cirrus]

Why speak when you can demonstrate?

TG TG Skel Skel:

TG TG TG Skel:

EDIT: Or, don't take my word for it and use 2TG 2Skel, I don't mind all of you doing less damage on me. :)

Edited October 3, 2010 by Cirrus