Changing The Stalker Soaring Bird

[Kittie]

I feel like everyone is ignoring the fact that other one handed weapons such as the High Wizard (which has energy coat), Super Novice, and Champion weapons all have 10% as well and can stack the same high redux.

If those weapons still keep their 10% demi human reduction, then the Stalker bow should have at least 10% as well.

[Manifest]

I believe the High Wizard one is fine, granted for them to save stats and have high reductions, they can't have 3 Kiels on them, or take out INT belts for more cast time reduction. The Champion weapon has been fixed, IIRC, to 13% more damage to demihumans. I'll leave no comment on the Super Novice weapon, any insight, albeit in a different topic, would be okay.

Just hang tight. We didn't say any of these suggestions will exactly be done, but something has to be. We'll take everyone's suggestions into consideration.

[Phenomenon]

I feel like everyone is ignoring the fact that other one handed weapons such as the High Wizard (which has energy coat), Super Novice, and Champion weapons all have 10% as well and can stack the same high redux.

If those weapons still keep their 10% demi human reduction, then the Stalker bow should have at least 10% as well.

High Wizards need 3 kiels to spam, MINIMUM, and 4 is ideal. Super Novices don't have evasion capabilities and are limited to their own set of non-transcended skill trees. Champion weapon's reduction was removed, it was never intended.

Stalkers are versatile, being able to deal long range damage and at the same time use copied close-range melee skills, as well as incredible evasion skills and require no kiels whatsoever to spam their main offensive skills (minus Full Strip), and are almost a guaranteed victor against anyone not using FCP. I believe 10% reduction is too much, considering all that they can do. 5 to 7% seems fair in my opinion, since removing it all together seems out of the question (though I would support it.)

[Forum~]

I suggest either making the bow 2 handed with the reductions or removing the reductions altogether, then add the damage boost onto the bow. The reason supposedly why bows are 2 handed is because they have the advantage of range. Even if a person is able to reach a stalker by speed potting, snapping, backsliding, or any other method, the stalker can just chase walk or hide and run away. The reductions stalkers get from this weapon is really ridiculous. I saw the whole Legend and Predicament guild trying to kill a reducts stalker (Superstar) and couldn't even kill her and she does huge damage too with her bowling bash. Imagine 20 people hitting you and you don't die. I call that overpowered.

I agree with you. But removing the reductions all together seems unlikely since it is a donation item.

I still stand by 5% demihuman reductions and 10% damage increase.

Reasons:

Chasewalk

Full Strip

High damage output without kiels

Tao=50% HP

Ranged

Stalkers are versatile, being able to deal long range damage and at the same time use copied close-range melee skills, as well as incredible evasion skills and require no kiels whatsoever to spam their main offensive skills (minus Full Strip), and are almost a guaranteed victor against anyone not using FCP. I believe 10% reduction is too much, considering all that they can do. 5 to 7% seems fair in my opinion, since removing it all together seems out of the question (though I would support it.)

Juan's eloquently stated elaboration on my reasons.

I would support no reductions as well, but we know that isn't going to happen.

Edited September 28, 2010 by Forum~

[Angels&Demons]

I think most players would support removing the stalker soaring bird reductions, but it will be quite unfair for the donors. I wonder if putting improve concentration level 5~10 instead of the reductions would seem fair enough to those who donated for it?

[Xtopher]

I think most players would support removing the stalker soaring bird reductions, but it will be quite unfair for the donors. I wonder if putting improve concentration level 5~10 instead of the reductions would seem fair enough to those who donated for it?

You can get that from Phree Hat :)

[Angels&Demons]

Yeah, but that's when people are hitting you. If you equip the stalker soaring bow, then it would actually give you the level 10 improve concentration skill that you can cast, and not only by chance. I just think it's a good replacement for the reductions. :s

[Guest xonchu]

sht, i bought stalker soaring because of reducts, now itll be changed? no way man, return my dq. i was after for reducts! man theres just coma to kill -- clowns can pawn reduct stalkers and LOD does coma. period.

LK halberd has coma too so ill add that in.

[Cirrus]

Honestly, I don't think how anybody couldn't see that coming.

I'd choose balance over anything, and that's me owning 3 of these bows.

[Guest xonchu]

i want justice ._. i spent all my items to get stalker soaring now i saw this and its going to be changed? :/ i bought this for reducts.. damn.. reducts can even be killed by coma.. oh common!

[Phenomenon]

Highly selfish comments there. ^ Their have been several times in the server's history in which items have been changed for the better/balance of the server. Saying that the Halberd has coma is irrelevant as it is already been accepted to have it's high coma chance removed from the weapon. Relying on something that will have less than a 1% chance of killing someone (probably much less) is highly impractical, sans the Clown class. Stalkers have a lot going for them as it is, now that their damage is more than decent and are allowed to have their bow be one-handed. Their are several people who actually donated for the bow that agree to this change, not just people who invested in it in-game. That should be a testament to how highly overpowered people think the bow is. No one class should have access to such Reduction, especially since they remain able to spam offensive skills.

Edited October 1, 2010 by Phenomenon

[Primo]

Honestly, I don't think how anybody couldn't see that coming.

I'd choose balance over anything, and that's me owning 3 of these bows.

i sold him 1 of the bows so blame me for his proness :D

and idk this si a hard subject since people donated for the reducts and not giving them is like making a weapon that gives high coma chance then taking it off.I suggest taking some reducts but not everything.

and no one can kill ken during woe is cause he has lots of reducts :]

[Guest xonchu]

people are different. "i bought the weap because of reducts" period. i couldnt accept if reducts of 20% will be removed. if the weap will be nerfed thatll be bad for me coz i bought it for all of my items. and... it would really hurt the economy if this weap would be nerfed.

[Cirrus]

I'm sure the team will keep everyone's ideas in mind, just like Phenomenon said: removing it altogether seems out of the question. I've been witness to how the reductions right now is too much, then I got the bow and showed it to everyone too.

There's always a compromise, and I already have a couple good ideas myself which would keep some of the reduction while keeping it out of a full reduction build range (virtually unkillable without Coma.) I know everyone has agreed to how Stalkers have it great already. Keep an open mind.

[nines]

Xonchu your active on the forums, this has been talked about since the update came you shoulda known about this, im pretty sure people who aren't even on the forums know about the nerf. Its obvious it woudld get nerfed seeing how you basically admitted I got it because its over powered =.=.

There not going to make it so its you wasted your money or qpons it'll still be good just not be so its impossible to kill you.

[HealHard]

people are different. "i bought the weap because of reducts" period. i couldnt accept if reducts of 20% will be removed. if the weap will be nerfed thatll be bad for me coz i bought it for all of my items. and... it would really hurt the economy if this weap would be nerfed.

Dont mix up you and economy. That would hurt You if you bought the weap. And nothing changes to ones who did not. All the new weapons cost 1.3- 1.5k dq so after nerf i dont think it becomes much cheaper. However it would be just unfair, cus the donation system works like shop, so i would be pretty pissed if the bow became much worse then it was when i bought it. But if the community itself findes a compromise between both users of this weap and non-users, that will be fine. This topic shows that the compromise was found. And items stats are always subject to change. If some minority does not agree, then its too bad for them. Moreover, they wont nerf bow to useless. It will become just fair. Isnt that a good investment?

So, remove the reducts and its gonna be fine =)

[Guest xonchu]

no no no -.- i hate this gaahhhhh D: i bought it for reducts. now the price of the bow will go down down down!

[emir]

Why dont just remove the reduction and put 20%dmg increase, well the stalker is Too strong if the Enemy got no fcp:P..Rite!

Edited October 2, 2010 by emir

[Guest xonchu]

fact. but what is bought is bought.

[maxlittle007]

fact. but what is bought is bought.

Another fact : Gms dont force players to donate,Players do it from their own free will.If you are enjoying its advantages,you should be willing to face their disadvantages aswell.

[Guest xonchu]

no. now let me get this straight, now i borrowed SGW+santaporing hat+fshield+usakoring+the bow. and i still get pawned firstly by coma, and my normal damage, even some asuras are fast and they kill me.

[HealHard]

@xonchu:

If get pawned with all those gears and bow by asuras etc. it means that you miss some gaming skill maybe? Other classes are able to stand agains those without that many reducts. And maxlittle007 is right,

If you are enjoying its advantages,you should be willing to face their disadvantages aswell.

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Imagine times when thana worked on champs normally and then it was replaced with 28% damage effect. And this seems fair now, right? But champs were sooooooo nerfed! Imagine if you had ultimate killing machine that became 100500 times less powerfull! but this is fair. same with the bow. It didnt pass the in-game test, so it should be changed.

[Guest xonchu]

meh i dont care about this anymore nerf it all u want. i sold my stalker soaring so no problem :p

[maxlittle007]

meh i dont care about this anymore nerf it all u want. i sold my stalker soaring so no problem :p

What? you sold the bow? oh me gosh, what if they dont nerf it and its given extra stats boost up and more redux than before.Omg nuuuuuuuu teh beeg mistake :sad01_anim:

[Manifest]

Stay on topic.