Some Suggestions

[Rayray]

1. As we see that the one handed bows for sniper(the donation and rental) aren't as powerful as we thought it would be, what about making the elite stalker bow one handed? I know some people would say no but please give some input. It isn't as powerful as we always thought it would be and stalkers are still screwed by fcp so I don't see it being overpowered. It just gives stalkers a little chance of fighting when people got fcp. just make the elite stalker bow one handed, no other added effects i think(unless it doesn't have increase weight limit then we might add that as well)

2. if the above suggestion doesn't work, why not put permanent card effects on the rental weapons? they disappear in an hour or so, and if we cannot decard it, we are screwed. So why not put the normal card combinations on each weapon that we would've used(except thana) like put incant tg tg skel worker on the sniper bow and so on and so forth, then just increase the price a little, that way we wouldn't have to worry about decarding and such.

3. If the admins can do it, add quests to "upgrade" the elite weapons since they could strong enough to be on par with the other ones.

4. This has been suggested before, can we add other useful items in the votes? like ygg berries and seeds BUT make them untradeable if obtained from votes.

5. making rental weapons and passes' time limit expire ONLY when being used or the character that bought it is online. we cannot get away with things like dc so what if we got dced and we aren't able to decard(thinking the 2nd suggestion isn't accepted) although I am not sure if it is codeable, but i think it is.

give inputs guys

[nines]

Sniper 1 handed bow for elite already been shut down in the sniper topic

Don't think they'll make them on par with other ones since there donations there supposed to be better. But its not ruining pvp.

I agree on adding more vote rewards where u can get consumables from votes, also better vote items I love the look of the new moon aura but there so expensive for only 15 stats if there 120 for 15 to all stats why not make them 2 slotted?.

And for the rental weapons it would be possible to make it so when the time limit expires a chat box comes up asking if you want it to be decarded and then it does it on the spot. Would have to setup a string script in etc etc but its doable.

Edited August 11, 2010 by nines

[supream]

what nines said about the elite bow. i agree on consumables from votes. i agree with the time thing on the rental weapons.make it just like aion were you only lose minutes while your pl

[sessions]

1. As we see that the one handed bows for sniper(the donation and rental) aren't as powerful as we thought it would be, what about making the elite stalker bow one handed? I know some people would say no but please give some input. It isn't as powerful as we always thought it would be and stalkers are still screwed by fcp so I don't see it being overpowered. It just gives stalkers a little chance of fighting when people got fcp. just make the elite stalker bow one handed, no other added effects i think(unless it doesn't have increase weight limit then we might add that as well)

2. if the above suggestion doesn't work, why not put permanent card effects on the rental weapons? they disappear in an hour or so, and if we cannot decard it, we are screwed. So why not put the normal card combinations on each weapon that we would've used(except thana) like put incant tg tg skel worker on the sniper bow and so on and so forth, then just increase the price a little, that way we wouldn't have to worry about decarding and such.

3. If the admins can do it, add quests to "upgrade" the elite weapons since they could strong enough to be on par with the other ones.

4. This has been suggested before, can we add other useful items in the votes? like ygg berries and seeds BUT make them untradeable if obtained from votes.

5. making rental weapons and passes' time limit expire ONLY when being used or the character that bought it is online. we cannot get away with things like dc so what if we got dced and we aren't able to decard(thinking the 2nd suggestion isn't accepted) although I am not sure if it is codeable, but i think it is.

give inputs guys

1. Yes definitely all of the elite bows too, Not just stalker. You seriouisly cannot compete with 2 handed bows anymore.

2.This could be useful to avoid item loss from the rental weapons. Although it would pose a problem for those who want to use a Thanatos Card in their weapon.

3. I also agree with this. The current elite weapons are so far off from the donation weaopns.

4. It would give a good reason for people to continue to vote even after they have the items they wants, and of course make them untradeable so that this couldn't be abused.

5. If this is at all possible that would make things so much safer for using the rental weapons. You never know when you could lose power/internet and be forced to lose possibly even a thana.

Sorry about only having 1 line, didn't realize it did that.

Edited August 11, 2010 by sessions

[Ethereal]

1. As we see that the one handed bows for sniper(the donation and rental) aren't as powerful as we thought it would be, what about making the elite stalker bow one handed? I know some people would say no but please give some input. It isn't as powerful as we always thought it would be and stalkers are still screwed by fcp so I don't see it being overpowered. It just gives stalkers a little chance of fighting when people got fcp. just make the elite stalker bow one handed, no other added effects i think(unless it doesn't have increase weight limit then we might add that as well)

Genesis said that no changes will be done to the elite weapons, so we can't expect any changes for them. Although I would have to agree with your suggestion regardless. If I think changing a 2-handed sniper elite bow into a 1-handed elite bow isn't overpowered, then I sure wouldn't mind agreeing with this as well. I fully support this.

2. if the above suggestion doesn't work, why not put permanent card effects on the rental weapons? they disappear in an hour or so, and if we cannot decard it, we are screwed. So why not put the normal card combinations on each weapon that we would've used(except thana) like put incant tg tg skel worker on the sniper bow and so on and so forth, then just increase the price a little, that way we wouldn't have to worry about decarding and such.

3. If the admins can do it, add quests to "upgrade" the elite weapons since they could strong enough to be on par with the other ones.

Hmm, I like where you're going with the idea. It's unique, but it sure sounds heck like a lot of trouble and I'm not sure if it's possible. But on the other hand, I don't think it's all that necessary. Sure, the idea sounds great but I think this idea might make it too easy for some players.

And I love the idea of an "Upgraded Elite Weapon." It could either be below the rental weapons, on par with the rental weapons, or a little bit stronger than the rental weapons. (Personally, I'd say a little bit more powerful than the rental weapons.) It could definitely bring up an interesting quest too.

4. This has been suggested before, can we add other useful items in the votes? like ygg berries and seeds BUT make them untradeable if obtained from votes.

Would you mind sourcing the other suggestion topics? I want to see other peoples' opinions before making any solid judgements. Although personally, I'm not really digging this one. Yggdrasil berries are already an easy thing to get (not seeds), so I'm on the 'no' side thus far.

5. making rental weapons and passes' time limit expire ONLY when being used or the character that bought it is online. we cannot get away with things like dc so what if we got dced and we aren't able to decard(thinking the 2nd suggestion isn't accepted) although I am not sure if it is codeable, but i think it is.

I would love if this happened. I 100% support this idea. Sometimes it's annoying when I rent out an item and I have to leave for something and I wasted all that rent time for nothing. And yeah, things like being disconnected or blackouts or anything similar to that is completely not our fault (most of the times). If it is codeable, then I"m all for this.

[Veracity]

1. The elite weapons are not going to be changed, as a few people have already said.

2. Including the card effects into the rental weapons is not a bad idea... but it would make pvp less diverse, in my opinion. Not everyone uses the same card combination.

3. The elite weapons are not meant to be on par with the other ones. Rental and donation are intended to be better than the elite weapons, that's not going to change.

4. I'm not so sure this is a good idea. One of the few ways for new players to make coupons is to farm yggs, etc. and sell them to people. Adding consumable items such as those to the vote rewards may impact that... If we did decide to do this though, I agree that they should not be tradable.

5. I don't think this is possible, though it is a very good idea and I agree with it. The script for the rental weapons was made to expire after x amount of hours, regardless of whether you are on or not.

Edited August 11, 2010 by Veracity

[Rayray]

1. The point on the elite bows are that having them changed into one handed isn't that big of a change. As I said, do not add any other effect on it, just make it one handed and its fine already. Both the rental and donation bows are one handed, I understand that the elite shouldn't be on par with them but making it one handed just to be fair to those who did the quest. example, an LK using elite spear could kill an LK using the donation spear. a sniper using elite bow would have a very, very hard time fighting a sniper with a donation bow since he has the advantage of a shield.

2. People always think that they had a super secret build but they do not. everyone uses the most common card combinations(with only a few exceptions, but those exceptions are RARELY on the weapons). It is just a matter of who uses it better or who holds the most yggs nowadays.

3. Hmm, I kinda get it but I think we are lacking quests that are useful.

4. I intended it to be not to be tradeable. It is just for emergency purposes like there would be an LMS or you need to be in WoE and you checked you are out of supplies.

5. I think it would be possible on the weapons though where the time would only run if we equip it.

[Veracity]

1. The point on the elite bows are that having them changed into one handed isn't that big of a change. As I said, do not add any other effect on it, just make it one handed and its fine already. Both the rental and donation bows are one handed, I understand that the elite shouldn't be on par with them but making it one handed just to be fair to those who did the quest. example, an LK using elite spear could kill an LK using the donation spear. a sniper using elite bow would have a very, very hard time fighting a sniper with a donation bow since he has the advantage of a shield.

2. People always think that they had a super secret build but they do not. everyone uses the most common card combinations(with only a few exceptions, but those exceptions are RARELY on the weapons). It is just a matter of who uses it better or who holds the most yggs nowadays.

3. Hmm, I kinda get it but I think we are lacking quests that are useful.

4. I intended it to be not to be tradeable. It is just for emergency purposes like there would be an LMS or you need to be in WoE and you checked you are out of supplies.

5. I think it would be possible on the weapons though where the time would only run if we equip it.

I see your point about the bow, making it one handed is reasonable, but I don't have final say in the matter.

That's still limiting though. I'm sure a lot of people do use similar cards, but eliminating the option of having different cards/tactics of playing a class makes it much more dull. If everyone who wants a stronger weapon than the elite but can't afford a donation weapon is forced into using weapons with effects like you're suggesting... I agree, it will just be a matter of who uses it better. I always think there should be an option. I understand why you're suggesting this, but I think there is a better alternative.

We are working on developing quite a few quests that will be both challenging and very, very useful.

I suppose so, but I still feel that it could make it more difficult for new players to sell and thus gain coupons. Even if you intend it to be for emergency purposes, that doesn't mean that people who have a lot of vote coupons and nothing to spend it on will use it that way.

The original creator of the script made it so it works one way. We only have one person scripting and I believe that that would entail a bit of work to accomplish. If you can script or know anyone who can and wants to fix this issue, then maybe that would be an option.

[Rayray]

What programming language does RO use? I could try.

Oh I didn't say eliminate the rent weapons with slots though, I mean, make another option whether to get the one with the slots or the ones with the preset effects with a higher price.

[Veracity]

Ah okay, I see what you're saying now. Yeah, that could be an option... we can certainly look into it some more. Maybe you (or anyone else) could suggest the specific card effects you would like integrated into the weapon?

[Sorrow]

1. Sweet, agreed, and apparently many others also agreed but unfortunately we've been told it's not going to be done...so sad :{

2. i actualy agree to this, it's a great idea. i don't rent weapons because of my random internet problems and random sleeping patterns. Alternatively, we could have "Card packages" in the rental NPC, this way if the weapon vanished with cards inside, no problem cause they'd vanish too anyways, rental cards should NOT be able to be traded though. Rental cards could also help people testing builds before getting the real thing. Could help new players out if they're cheap.

3. Agreed, but as stated before it sadly ain't happening :{

4. i was kinda sad to see that the new vote rewards have no utility whatsoever and are more expensive(more than double) than FBH aura! XD But i think things like Yggs, FCP Bottles, Speed pots, EDP and the such shouldn't be available through votes...they're source of commerce, it'd lower the possibilities of good deals for new players.

5. Making it so the rental period are actually time we are online would be a nice idea too. Helps a lot avoiding the 'card vanished' problems...

Official pay-to-play servers do sell hours/days of playing in this fashion, so it should be possible to scrip it.

[Rayray]

As veracity said, I think some guys who wanted specific card effects on rental weapons could suggest somethings in here. I'll start.

Rental Sniper Bow- Incantation samurai, 2x TG 1x Skelworker OR Incant, 3x TG

Rental Stalker Bow- same as Sniper bow(for DS type stalkers) or 2xTG, 2x Skel worker(for matyr types)

Rental Spear- Incantation, Phreeoni, 2x TG(the most basic, unless others suggest some more)

[Rayray]

Bumping the topic since we got no reply from any other higher ups besides Veracity. :(

[maxlittle007]

The sniper one handed bow itself is an unfair aspect.But still donators gotta benfit for the money they pay,maybe thats why its still kept that way.Why would you want another bow to be one handed aswell.It will just make the server even more unbalanced.Stalkers can always go dagger/sword/magical build if they want to.

And if you are worried about your cards getting dissappeared on rental weapon when it expires,then note the time when your borrowing,and decard it 2 or 3 mins before it get expires.

If that doesnt work,then an auto decarding facility can be given to rental weapons,like when the weapon time expires,the cards compounded will automatically get decarded and the cards get into the inventory by itself.

One handed bow should be removed,But it can be given extra stats to satisfy the donators.And quested elite weapons doesnt need any changes ,it can stay the way it is.

The thing is new players will ask a lot of questions about this.

If snipers can use shields,why shoudnt sinxs,lord knight,champs do damages from far away like snipers do?

Why shoudnt champs fist asura from far behind?why shoudnt sinx,lk weapon melee from far behind?

What i am trying to say is,people will rise up stupid and pointless questions like that.

Rented bows are over powered as it is.If rented weapons are given more advantages,the purpose of elite quest will be pointless.

[Rayray]

It was never an unfair aspect, this is a high rate server. Clowns do enough damage themselves using one handed weapons. Sinx, champs could do that kind of damage on one handed weapons. Sinx doesn't need to damage far away as they can easily get near you and kill you. champs got snap. And here we go again with the "you can go _____ build". Why let stalkers and snipers use bows if they are going to go melee? Pointless isn't it? We want to try OTHER things and not just what you and 200 other players use.

How can changing the bow into one handed make the server unbalanced? Is the whole server populated by 300 stalkers? Isn't it more unbalanced if the elite bows aren't one handed since the donation ones are one handed? that would make donators have a huge advantage to those who are not. You can say that "you can still buy it in coupons" but dude not all of us are rich in coupons.

Snipers and bow stalkers aren't used in the server. because they can be easily killed by sinx, champs and clowns. they introduced the one handed bows to even the playing field. Just because it has become a challenge to kill a sniper or stalker that uses one handed bow that doesn't mean they are overpowered now.

I do not know why you are stating other suggestions on what I should do when I use rental weapons. I do that, and I know what a pain it is when you lose your cards in it because you got dced at the last 5 mins.

[maxlittle007]

Every job classes have their own advantages and disadvantages.If you are benifitting from the advantages ,you gotta be ready to deal with the disadvantages aswell.Gravity has designed it that way so it would be challenging for all the players.

Saying this is a high rate server is just a silly excuse.

What i truely meant was bows shoudnt be one handed at all ,whether its donated or elite.And i am not stating something which is different from this topic.And Yes i do agree ,donators have huge advantage at this time,that is why said one handed bows isnt needed at all.The donated bows can be given a little more stats than the normal elite ones.

And regarding the cards problem,why not suggest the gm to put an auto decarding facility when the time expires.

[Rayray]

Gravity didn't intend on having the max stats 300 either. They are balanced in normal servers, I can even say snipers and stalkers pawn on normal servers. Again, Giving snipers and stalkers some kind of reduction in the form of making the bows one handed and letting them use shields is not that overpowered, their hp is still not the highest and I see a lot of guys killing those who uses the one handed bows. As I said before, making the bows one handed just to be at least fair since any other elite weapon user is not disadvantaged against a donation weapon user of the same class, only snipers and stalkers.

[Adamxd]

1. NO. have you seen Robin Hood shooting from bow with only 1 hand? no

Rest seems to be fine

[Ethereal]

1. NO. have you seen Robin Hood shooting from bow with only 1 hand? no

I'm sorry... what? That argument is completely illogical. We're in a fantasy-based RPG here. Almost anything is possible. Saying that 'Robin Hood' can't shoot a bow with 1-hand has absolutely nothing to do with RO. If everything has to do with logic here, then I'm sure I can go up to someone and say "Fire Bolt!" and flames will appear out of nowhere to attack. I can also 'Devotion' someone and whenever they take damage, I receive it instead. I can also resurrect someone from the dead too.

Try to give a good response. We understand that you disagree with the suggestion, but at least give valid reasons why.

[» Pat]

I can go up to someone and say "Fire Bolt!" and flames will appear out of nowhere to attack. I can also 'Devotion' someone and whenever they take damage, I receive it instead. I can also resurrect someone from the dead too.

BTT;

1. No.

2. & 3. Sound good.

4. Hm maybe.

5. Hm yup.

[Veracity]

1st suggestion (Making elite bow one handed): As others have already said, the Administrators have stated that the elite weapons will not be altered.

2nd suggestion (Adding card effects to the Rental weapons): This would be pretty time consuming to do, but I won't rule this out as it is a possibility. If we do decide to do it, it wouldn't be any time in the near future though.

3rd suggestion (Adding quests to improve Elite weapons): This isn't an option at this time.

4th suggestion (Adding consumables to vote rewards): This would hurt new players as they rely on farming these and selling them to players, so I don't think this would be a good idea.

5th suggestion (Making only time logged in count for expiration of rental weapons): This would require an extensive amount of work as well as most likely source editing if it is even possible. Either way, this wouldn't be an option right now, though I do think it is a good idea.

Thanks for your suggestions!

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