Clowns Eclips Snipers

[ginkgo]

OK i want to see those changes get implemented. Watch snipers still get owned.

[Adum*]

OK i want to see those changes get implemented. Watch snipers still get owned.

im sorry but, have you even tried playing sniper? if those get implemented and still get assraped, then you just fail.

[sEretLy cute In disguiZe]

go crit build and remove inca.......

[Adum*]

If you go crit build i will hunt you down and make fun of you. Crit build is just ridiculous, all you do is left click and spam berry. wheres the essence of strategy there?

im sorry but i just have extreme hate on crit build snipers those who go zerk. thats only good for mvp.

Edited May 31, 2010 by Adum*

[Ryuk]

I agree on the trap changes + the arrow shower trap moving. But not on the arrow repel piercing pneuma. That'd would be a bit too much (in my opinion).

Also crit builds require a lot of gear switching as well, you use less skills but it's not just clicking and ygging.

[Adum*]

I agree on the trap changes + the arrow shower trap moving. But not on the arrow repel piercing pneuma. That'd would be a bit too much (in my opinion).

Also crit builds require a lot of gear switching as well, you use less skills but it's not just clicking and ygging.

then how about we make skid trap last longer when you arrow shower it? right now you can only hit it twice with arrow shower. how bout making it last for another arrow shower. its really hard to put skid trap 3 to 4 cells away from q champ. thats like enough distance to asura you..well you can put reducts but what if they speed asura you? -well im just saying.

i havent seen crit build that changes gears-lol.

[Xtopher]

I really wish they could be made more prevalent in pvp. But, as long as most players use champ/sinx and don't want to diversify out to different classes they will not be happy with this or even agree with you.... they're "top dog" why would they want to risk that?

There will never be a day where classes are balanced or even a day where all classes stand legitimate fighting chance in pvp. Thats just how RO is.

[Adum*]

I really wish they could be made more prevalent in pvp. But, as long as most players use champ/sinx and don't want to diversify out to different classes they will not be happy with this or even agree with you.... they're "top dog" why would they want to risk that?

There will never be a day where classes are balanced or even a day where all classes stand legitimate fighting chance in pvp. Thats just how RO is.

if they wont let these things or allow other class to gain reasonable boost, then that just proves how much of pnssy they are. If you would call yourself pro, then you should not be qqing about other class getting a boost(that they do need). You will then take it as a challenge to better off what you might call "skills".

[ginkgo]

Champions and Sinx rule pvp at the moment. I seen a champ that killed me with 250k hp elite shield with Usakoring Ghostring and 2 raydric cards he just killed me in 1 aaura he must have had Thana or something.

And Sinx? well what can i say 2daggers and 8 card slots + edp? not much to complain about there.....

[Adum*]

Champions and Sinx rule pvp at the moment. I seen a champ that killed me with 250k hp elite shield with Usakoring Ghostring and 2 raydric cards he just killed me in 1 aaura he must have had Thana or something.

And Sinx? well what can i say 2daggers and 8 card slots + edp? not much to complain about there.....

well then? use skoll?

assassin cross takes more damage if they're using 2 daggers.

[Dudu]

Aaaaa what you guys talkin about.

Things are like this: Privater server = Will always have a disbalance so ya.

Stop complaining about you got owned by an Asura, be like Adum*, Use skolls or else if you cant still tank it just quit :3

I like the Idea of making arrow shower traps and also the Ankle share makin it inescapable .

We fight for Snipers Adum!

[Adum*]

Aaaaa what you guys talkin about.

Things are like this: Privater server = Will always have a disbalance so ya.

Stop complaining about you got owned by an Asura, be like Adum*, Use skolls or else if you cant still tank it just quit :3

I like the Idea of making arrow shower traps and also the Ankle share makin it inescapable .

We fight for Snipers Adum!

Thank you Edu!

[Sorrow]

i do believe getting no damage boost is unfair; Snipers fight using as a main attack a skill they've learned as archers. That's just too sad on its own.

On low rates Falcon Assalt pretty much hit kills anything that isn't a Lord Knight or Paladin, but the skill suffers from a fixed formula which makes it worthless for a high rate, which indicates they deserve a stronger attack move.

Ranged Damage is incredibly penalized; Comparing SW with Pneuma you already get the notion of how biased the game mechanics are towards meelee.

Charge Arrow/Arrow Repel does by pass pneuma on official servers, for obvious reasons.

Although the greatest penalty for a sniper's damage is the Vit, giving Inca the property to bypass Vit and equip def when compounded in a bow would greatly help snipers in therms of damage.

They could be given the ability to use Ganbaiten; pneuma really screws snipers over, Clowns can still use Tarot when someone uses Pneuma, snipers can...cry?

Another funny upgrade would be the ability to use Beast Strifing in demi-humans...giving some utility to their spirit...

BTW Snipers don't have a great amount of HP and don't use shield; they die faster than wizzards. i dare say; snipers are the most underpowered class at the moment...how the mighty have fallen.

[Xtopher]

Things are like this: Privater server = Will always have a disbalance so ya.

Stop complaining about you got owned by an Asura, be like Adum*, Use skolls or else if you cant still tank it just quit :3

I agree that there will never be class balance in Ragnarok, but to tell people to quit just because they can't tank asura seems a bit ignorant. The "if you don't like it then quit" mentality will get a server no where. You must be open to new ideas and suggestions, even if they're completely illogical or not possible. Atleast the player cares enough to suggest it, but responses like just quit will never help the server grow.

Anyhow, I don't see anything wrong with a small dmg boost to DS, or maybe a in change falcon assault/blitz beat to make it somewhat useful. Obviously not as strong as VA though because of the range snipers have.

[Adum*]

@sorrow.

every one says that, but i dont really think snipers are that underpowered. raher they just need some sort of mod -traps that is- to make them more able in pvp. ds may be a first class skill, but it kills! xD as for BS i havent really used that since i dont get link tha much.

anyway, ill make a respond to your whole post later, phone is gay so...x_x

@Xtopher

i think he meant quit being a sniper and change to a diffent class

a dmg boost on ds would make everyone qq, so i say no. lol

the thing is, snipers just need like a chance to survive.

lol im so itching for status on snipers, if that only works i wont be suggesting things. xD

Edited June 2, 2010 by Adum*

[ginkgo]

@sorrow I agree with you 100% I think your one of the few people who truly understands the game mechanics and how utterly weak snipers are. It's like this server has stripped them of every advantage they once had that made them good.

And yes charge arrow and arrow repel should pierce pneuma or else snipers would have no way to push them out of pneuma

Edited June 3, 2010 by ginkgo

[Veggie&Mac]

what about arrow repel have 50% Chance to piercing pneuma with ghost arrow only i dunno

but would be a good idea!

[ginkgo]

No i disagree with the 50% chance and i believe any arrow should be used to push people out of pneuma why must it be just ghost? Why put more limits on an already tied down class?

[Veggie&Mac]

well was an idea...skill with all arrows idk!!!

im talking about the chance!!!! the arrow dont matter

[Adum*]

i agree with a chance to pierce pneuma. if arrow repel is able to pierce pneuma easily, then we just made that skill useless. i think youre thinking about champa using that skill. theres a priest out there waving at you. youre basing it off from what you read, not even trying to play it. for me snipers are not really that much underpowered.

you see, statuses doesnt work here- they bare works cause of all the custom stuff- but with out those, snipers will have more chance to win.

i really suggest try to main snipers first before you say theyre underpowered.

[ginkgo]

I have played with every class there is to play with. I have been playing this server for about 4 years I think i have mained pretty much all the classes this is my second forum account btw i forgot the login info on my first.

[Josef]

THIS SERVER FOR 4 YEARS? wow.

[Adum*]

im sorry but, i think you played sniper wrong? youre suggesting a boost on snipers ds, so pvp will be all about high damage and not more of tactics. the thing is people are used to it. at times people i fight with say i keep running away, but infact im just trying to get enough distance- im a sniper for fricking sh!t, distance is my only advantage.

[ginkgo]

Im not saying no to tactics. Tactics are necessary. But i so feel a damage boost to go along with them is only fair seeing as DS is a skill learned as an archer it is not fit as it is not to be used as a main skill. All the classes main skills are way higher damage than this skill. This skill is in fact THE WEAKEST Main skill in the server Bash is stronger than DS Also your forgetting 1 more character that would benefit from a DS damage boost. Stalker at least they would be able to use DS as well.

Snipers have the weakest main offensive skill in the server.

They cannot use a shield.

They do not have buffs such as Maximum Over Thrust or EDP (Attention Concentrate doesn't even double your attack like

Maximum Over thrust)

They have a low HP modifier

Pneuma is like GTB for archers.

Magic attacks 1hit ko them.

And also it is very hypocritical to try to be pushing tactics on a offensive and defensive impaired class when the main classes in the server are huge "Damage Mongrels" go push tactics on champs and Sinx in exchange for their offensive abilities... bet you wouldn't like that....

Those all combine to make snipers the weakest class in the server. Seriously they are a match for no one. A Super-Novice can wipe the floor with a sniper due to pneuma and magic skills.

Edited June 3, 2010 by ginkgo

[Sorrow]

Well Adum, i really do see your point, snipers can and should use more strategy and running is not the wrong way to play as sniper at all. But, out of all the large arsenal of traps, only two remain useful; Anckle Snare and Skip Trap. One defeated by Snap and BackSlide, main skills of those who are your usual adversaries. And Skip Trap becomes useless when someone used RSX(90% of the server and i'm included always carry a spare RSX armor).

The objective of PvP is defeating the adversary, and with abundance of yggs, a low damage output can be easily out-healed. A descent average PvP built character should have at least 200k HP, if you hit shielded people for 16~20k(average damage for a good non-thana user sniper's DS) that's 10~14 DS you'd have to land to kill...off course untill you press 10~14xHotkey+click, the adversary will press his/her ygg hotkey at least once. And probably the Cloaking/Snap/BackSlide/Hide/Chase Walk/Pneuma/Charge Attack/TSS along to boot.

It gets worse if you imagine you're being ganged and can't use GTB/Usa...

i don't see much fairness in this scenario.

A Super-Novice can wipe the floor with a sniper due to pneuma and magic skills.

Just had to quote this for epicness and truth! xD

Edited June 3, 2010 by Sorrow