Gtb

[leonin]

how about we make gtb become vulnerable to dispell and magic status like quagmire and decrease agi

[Deceptive]

Agree . :D ! . It's really annoying to be Dispelled while wearing GTB . And to be affected by Quagmire and Hidden Water while using GTB kinda frustrates me .

[Supreme]

Agree . :D ! . It's really annoying to be Dispelled while wearing GTB . And to be affected by Quagmire and Hidden Water while using GTB kinda frustrates me .

Our GTB currently provides immunity to the above.. what he is proposing is that those skills pierce GTB.

[supream]

well its magic so i dont think so.

[Apo]

hundreds of ppl sughested GTB to be nerfed, and yet never happent

[leonin]

and you can make a new card mvp like zmey gorynych to nullified the dispell and the magic status after you nerfed the gtb

so people need to swap more often

[Cirrus]

Wearing GTB already makes you skip out on 35% demi human reduction which makes you very, very vulnerable to alot of high power skills.

So, nope.

[Masahiro]

Our GTB currently provides immunity to the above.. what he is proposing is that those skills pierce GTB.

Wearing GTB already makes you skip out on 35% demi human reduction which makes you very, very vulnerable to alot of high power skills.

So, nope.

what they said. and to add, getting dispelled while wearing GTB would become..very...very annoying...very

and again what your asking for will only enhance support pvp, meaning by you dispelling someone of their buffs or lowering their aspd etc will only hinder them, rather than help you and leave some people e.g those who do exact statting vulnerable to others even more. i say leave it where it is

Edited May 24, 2010 by Masahiro

[Danny]

Disagree.

[-R e i]

(1 Word)Disagree.

[zac]

i disagree; d war card

[sEretLy cute In disguiZe]

Sorry (NO)

[ginkgo]

Agreed. That would balance GTB a bit more.

[Shadi]

ROFL this would screw up whitesmiths even more, Like they're not weak enough already. Sorry but no, the GTB card already has enough disadvantages as it is.

[ginkgo]

Btw dispel is supposed to be very very very very annoying it's one of the Prof's most awesome skills. GTB already blocks all magic attacks isn't that enough i mean dispel does no damage. It is just an ability to help profs disable other classes.

I think all non offensive magic skills should be able to work with GTB on/ Let GTB give you 100% mdef instead of imunity to all magic skills.

That way debuffs like quagmire, decrease agi, dispel and such will work.

Edited June 3, 2010 by ginkgo

[Adum*]

im kinda *blah blah blah* about this topic. i dont quite get it. are you suggesting that skills such as dispell,decrease/increase agi bypass gtb? umm, i say no. o.o if they wear gtb, let them suffer from not getting any support skills/buff.

[Sorrow]

i've actually read something interesting here for a change...good job leonin.

Even though with the buffs with tao gunka and elite weapons wizzards and profs have became more of a significant force, gtb still needs a way around, even if managing the card has became more bearable, FCP still turns wizzies and profs into sitting ducks.

Maybe, Keep GTB with its magic damage immunity since this will never change. But give to another shield card the ability to block skills such as Dispell, Quagmire, Decrese agility, COMA...

This would force people to swap shields as the magic users swap strategy and vice-versa. Giving some chance against gtb+fcp on a fair match. There you have some strategy instead of the no-brainers "spam this spell" and "equip just this card and you are safe"

[ginkgo]

Yes Let all buffs and debuffs work with GTb all it will be good for is stopping magic damage. Which is what it does now to the exception of spells like quagmire, dispel, decrease agi, Lex Divina, this would help priests tremendously in pvp as well.

@sorrow good idea that card would increase sales of shields and increase donations as well. it would be a nice addition to the servers economy.

Edited June 3, 2010 by ginkgo

[Ryuk]

Like having increased sp consumption, no usakoring and not being able to buff yourself if not bad enough already. Yes this will buff the magic classes and nerf all others. There are way to get around gtb such as stripping the shield, target gets fcp then live until it fades, We can't buff every class so every class would be good in any situation.

Just because people can get fcp it doesn't mean we should boost the magic users because of it.

Also making dispell pierce through gtb would be way too OP, all the professor would have to do is use a ghostring armor and he/she would be invincible.

[Sorrow]

i just believe everything should have a possible counter, and GTB+FCP has no counter whatsoever for a magic user such as a prof and wizzard.

Two cards separate for magic damage null and debuff null, would give magic users the same edge meelee VS meelee have; when a sinx sees the opponent's Usa reducted his damage too much, he puts on Edge to try and coma the opponent.

The same principle applies; someone used GTB to null the magic damage, the prof/wizz/priest can try and coma the opponent.

Magic Classes operate in two ways; Debuffing and Magic Damage. When you have a single card that kills both competences at once, it killed the whole concept of the class.

[ginkgo]

Yes sir sorrow hit it right on the nail again. Magic classes have debuffs and attack skills. 1 card disabling both is very OP

[bankai`]

-1

[Ryuk]

i just believe everything should have a possible counter, and GTB+FCP has no counter whatsoever for a magic user such as a prof and wizzard.

Two cards separate for magic damage null and debuff null, would give magic users the same edge meelee VS meelee have; when a sinx sees the opponent's Usa reducted his damage too much, he puts on Edge to try and coma the opponent.

The same principle applies; someone used GTB to null the magic damage, the prof/wizz/priest can try and coma the opponent.

Magic Classes operate in two ways; Debuffing and Magic Damage. When you have a single card that kills both competences at once, it killed the whole concept of the class.

There are many combinations that have no counter. Not just gtb and fcp and it does not only apply to prof and wizard. Wizards have stave crasher , energy coat and safety wall. So they're still able to survive and deal damage , Wizards and professors can cast safetywall fast enough to not get hit at all(or very very hardly get hit) by a assassin cross that uses one weapon. All they'll have to do is wait for the assassin to switch to double dagger to be able to hit = no gtb = vulnerable to magic.

The magic damage without gtb is way too high , enabling debuffs through gtb would make Professors way too overpowered. The enemy would have to choose between being spammed to death by the OP dmg of magic, or staying alive dealing 20 dmg on a reduction professor that spams dispell at rediculous rate.

[Sorrow]

Yes, because when a professor has no way to damage but survives by using their safety wall+dispell its pure evil, but when sinx uses GTB and kills the professor with either EDP or coma it's like they're innocent bystanders...

There might be other combinations with no counter...but none that i can recall throws out of the game a whole branch of classes...

If you think debuffing null and magic damage null in separate cards would make professors overpowered, consider this; the card that would give debuffing immunity to be maya....

And...stave crasher? Anyone still takes that skill seriously? The only stave crasher i saw that is strong is a thana one and everyone knows that this card isn't exactly GTB in therms of availabilty/price. Seriously Stave Crasher manages to be weaker than Double Strifing...shorter in range, lesser in damage and far more inaccurate, still blocked by pneuma though.

Edit; Not to mention, meelees do have this edge over magic users; upon noticing their damage is too small, they can try and coma and dispell the spell caster, forcing them to GTB then switching back to damage weapon when the timing's right.

And afirming Safety Wall grants near immunity to meelee damage is not a truthful affirmation; it requires concentration and precision to properly use safety wall, any good player can force a mage out of safety wall when this mage is trying to strip them. And worse; as a sinx, one can easily use the safety wall for their confort and against its user.

Edited June 6, 2010 by Sorrow

[Shadi]

A proper professor doesn't die vs a sinx when the sinx is using gtb. Safety wall would block 95% of all damage/hits + you can't get comad if the target is missing his/her hits O.o.

There might be other combinations with no counter...but none that i can recall throws out of the game a whole branch of classes...

Skoll + fking shield with usakoring and a fcp vs a whitesmith = Whitesmith is completely doomed and useless. Such a combination renders the entire WS class useless. On the other hand theres professors and high wizards that still have their defensive skills to be able to survive once they are countered. But whitesmiths don't have such surivability skills.

If you think debuffing null and magic damage null in separate cards would make professors overpowered, consider this; the card that would give debuffing immunity to be maya....

This could be a idea , however a combination of a prof/wizard in woe would bring a huge amount of complaining.

Also you and many others make the same mistake to try and start stripping people, professor is a defensive class. Start using it defensively. wait till the target grows tired of not being able to kill you and he'll switch to none-gtb aka double dagger or katar.

Edited June 6, 2010 by Shadi