bankai` Posted April 8, 2010 Report Posted April 8, 2010 Is tao hp increase also increase for creators?
Cirrus Posted April 8, 2010 Report Posted April 8, 2010 No, it's just 30%. Not that they need it though.
bankai` Posted April 8, 2010 Author Report Posted April 8, 2010 My main is not a creator but it would be nice to see a hp boost for tao gunka on creators since they are so dam easy to nurf AD main skill =[
Cirrus Posted April 8, 2010 Report Posted April 8, 2010 Being immune to Strip and Break is a huge advantage though, lol.
supream Posted April 8, 2010 Report Posted April 8, 2010 they dont need fbh do they can use hp increasing cards anyways.
bankai` Posted April 8, 2010 Author Report Posted April 8, 2010 I think they do need it if you are hybrid build, 2 fbh is require if you wanna, even come close to sinx paladin etc.. in a fight also
Josef Posted April 9, 2010 Report Posted April 9, 2010 Their called biochemists/creators thoughn not a Paladin nor an Assassin. They're special in their own way. :P If you want to be a hybrid bio, don't expect that your AD/Magic would deal the same damage as to a creator maining that build and don't expect your mammonite to deal the same damage as to a creator who dedicated his build to get massive damage with it.
bankai` Posted April 9, 2010 Author Report Posted April 9, 2010 Their called biochemists/creators thoughn not a Paladin nor an Assassin. They're special in their own way. :P If you want to be a hybrid bio, don't expect that your AD/Magic would deal the same damage as to a creator maining that build and don't expect your mammonite to deal the same damage as to a creator who dedicated his build to get massive damage with it. Yea i understand what your trying to say but your too into the what class does what and what there meant for, this is Forsaken Ro server people expect things difference in this server, to have a variety of class to pvp with, that is balance and to improve the server and asking to increase a little hp. So all I'm trying to say is Creators CAN kill yes indeed but if you're going up against a decent geared Paladin or sinx or clown etc.. you'll be spamming AD all day into your finger breaks or you end up giving up cause your AD is so dam shitty or if you go hybrid it wont help much so i suggest to improve the hp so we can add more stats into str or int or any other stats you suggest wanna talk more? go to suggestion thread and post.
Forum~ Posted April 9, 2010 Report Posted April 9, 2010 (edited) they dont need fbh do they can use hp increasing cards anyways. I agree with supream. They do not need Hp boost from Tao card. Plus, if you really wanted to use 2xFBHs, you can always buy another Fshoes and switch shoes like champions do :P. (I don't think it's really efficient to spread your stats among int, str, agi, dex, and vit though...) Plus, with FCP, AD and Coldbolt. they're pretty strong as they are now. If we had to give creators a boost, I would suggest re-making their homunculus to fit for high-rate-server PvP combat... a huge source of potential for creators. Edited April 9, 2010 by Forum~
bankai` Posted April 9, 2010 Author Report Posted April 9, 2010 I agree with supream. They do not need Hp boost from Tao card. Plus, if you really wanted to use 2xFBHs, you can always buy another Fshoes and switch shoes like champions do :P. (I don't think it's really efficient to spread your stats among int, str, agi, dex, and vit though...) Plus, with FCP, AD and Coldbolt. they're pretty strong as they are now. If we had to give creators a boost, I would suggest re-making their homunculus to fit for high-rate-server PvP combat... a huge source of potential for creators. Switch? thats a major hassle your switching from FBH shoes too HP increase shoes which puts you in defence mode and when you start AD its Counter right away...and you cant compare CHamp and creator, Champs have a more variety of skill compare to creators... FCP? everyone has FCP NOW AND DAYS WTH.... Cold bolt is crap skill lmao wtf? about the homunculus yea that could work but i think tao gunka hp increase on creators is more suited because that'll just change a whole new way of playing creators which would put more stresss
Forum~ Posted April 9, 2010 Report Posted April 9, 2010 (edited) Switch? thats a major hassle your switching from FBH shoes too HP increase shoes which puts you in defence mode and when you start AD its Counter right away...and you cant compare CHamp and creator, Champs have a more variety of skill compare to creators... FCP? everyone has FCP NOW AND DAYS WTH.... Cold bolt is crap skill lmao wtf? about the homunculus yea that could work but i think tao gunka hp increase on creators is more suited because that'll just change a whole new way of playing creators which would put more stresss If it's a major hassle switching equips, it's laziness on your part. I switch between 3 headgears, 3 armors, 3 shields, and 2 cloaks... and I know people that do wayyyy more than I do. I suggest you use /bm. Using HP increase shoes isn't a defensive move... I would say it should be a default for creators. (FBH doesn't affect AD damage: "Causes explosion for up to 10 consecutive hits. Target's weapon and armor has a chance to be destroyed. Deals only 50% damage to other humans. Damage formula per hit is: (0.7 * Target's VIT * Creator's INT^2) / (Target's VIT + Creator's INT)", your int stat and their vit stat is all that matters.). Likewise, you can't compare the advantages and bonuses that champions receive compared to creators because they were meant to be an offensive class while creator was intended mainly for support. Lucky for you, fRO has given them some practicality with skills like Cold bolt and the ability to purchase bottles in stores. Sure, a lot of people have FCP these days, but that doesn't mean they have it on every second they PVP (Trust me, I've stripped people repeatedly when I played stalker, even after I killed them. They just came back to try again). Plus, there are always people who are too lazy to FCP, or just don't have the wealth to FCP every time they die (Like me)... and Level 5 (?) Cold bolt is not crap, LOL. ...well you're going to have to adapt if a homunculus change came. Plus, it's a two sided road: as creators would have to, all the people who would encounter the new offensive front put out by creators and their homunculus would have to adapt as well. Like I said, creators don't need it. Edited April 9, 2010 by Forum~
Josef Posted April 9, 2010 Report Posted April 9, 2010 Cold Bolt is crap? Explore creator's potential more before saying such a skill is crap.
Forum~ Posted April 9, 2010 Report Posted April 9, 2010 Cold Bolt is crap? Explore creator's potential more before saying such a skill is crap. Agreed.
bankai` Posted April 9, 2010 Author Report Posted April 9, 2010 If it's a major hassle switching equips, it's laziness on your part. Plus, using HP increase shoes isn't a defensive move... I would say it should be a default. (FBH doesn't affect AD damage: Causes explosion for up to 10 consecutive hits. Target's weapon and armor has a chance to be destroyed. Deals only 50% damage to other humans. Damage formula per hit is: (0.7 * Target's VIT * Creator's INT^2) / (Target's VIT + Creator's INT)- your int and their vit is all that matters.). Likewise, you can't compare the bonuses champ receive compared to creator because they were meant to be an offensive class while creator was intended mainly for support. Lucky for you, fRO has given them some practicality with skills like Cold bolt and the ability to purchase bottles in stores. Sure, a lot of people have FCP these days, but that doesn't mean they have it on every second they PVP (Trust me, I've stripped people repeatedly when I played stalker, even after I killed them. They just came back to try again). Plus, there are always people who are too lazy to FCP, or just don't the wealth to FCP every time they die (Like me)... and Level 5 (?) Cold bolt is not crap, LOL. ...well you're going to have to adapt if this change came, just like all the people who would have to counter the new offensive front put out by creators and their homunculus. First of all i know what AD do and i know FBH don't add dmg to AD but when you're switching to hp increase shoes you cant kill for shit your BASICALLY in defence mode cause your AD is nurf only solution is coma or AD or mammonite or "cold bolt lvl 3 which is a joke" mammonite wont do squat because you have stats in str and int and you have to admit you have to add a lot just to get a decent dmg and if you increase tao gunka effects on creator we would focus less on vit and add more to str or even int Trust me everyone that is decently geared has FCP on all the time basically 95% of the time and yea you stripped people before its called getting lucky and probably was a new player or a noob Yea of course I'm going to adapt to the change if this does happens, but anything to improve creators fighting ability I'm up for it.. Cold Bolt is crap? Explore creator's potential more before saying such a skill is crap. Before you say anything try killing someone with lvl 5 cold bolt on a creator, before they put gtb and smash you to dust =]
Josef Posted April 9, 2010 Report Posted April 9, 2010 You don't get it. Play it with with variation. Don't focus on one skill alone.
bankai` Posted April 9, 2010 Author Report Posted April 9, 2010 (edited) You don't get it. Play it with with variation. Don't focus on one skill alone. NAHH REALLY? we are talking about freakin lvl 5 cold bolt here this ain't no low rate server, put a dam gtb on and you're good stop making it sound like its the best skill in the world because you're wrong kid. Edited April 9, 2010 by bankai`
Josef Posted April 9, 2010 Report Posted April 9, 2010 It's not the best skill. Oh they gtb'd? Why not spam AD then 35% less redux :3
Forum~ Posted April 9, 2010 Report Posted April 9, 2010 NAHH REALLY? we are talking about freakin lvl 5 cold bolt here this ain't no low rate server, put a dam gtb on and you're good stop making it sound like its the best skill in the world because you're wrong kid. If they GTB, then you start AD again... quite simple.
bankai` Posted April 9, 2010 Author Report Posted April 9, 2010 It's not the best skill. Oh they gtb'd? Why not spam AD then 35% less redux :3 Yea spam the AD and then its counter you'll be doing 200-500 dmg spam it intill your finger breaks. You make it sound so easy but you never even tried it i bet.
bankai` Posted April 9, 2010 Author Report Posted April 9, 2010 (edited) 200-500 dmg? O.O with ad? Lmao see what i mean... yea if its nurf It'll prob do less. If you put your stats into mostly INT and Vit you'll be ADing and using "Cold Bolt'' those too are easily nurf and coma is by chance so its all on luck. So those skill wont get you anywhere. Edited April 9, 2010 by bankai`
Forum~ Posted April 9, 2010 Report Posted April 9, 2010 (edited) First of all i know what AD do and i know FBH don't add dmg to AD but when you're switching to hp increase shoes you cant kill for shit your BASICALLY in defence mode cause your AD is nurf only solution is coma or AD or mammonite or "cold bolt lvl 3 which is a joke" mammonite wont do squat because you have stats in str and int and you have to admit you have to add a lot just to get a decent dmg and if you increase tao gunka effects on creator we would focus less on vit and add more to str or even int Ok, so basically, what you want is the ability to FCP, "infinite" speed pots (via "Lif" homunculus), a strong melee attack via mammonite, high HP, a strong magic skill- Coldbolt, and the ability to break via AD. NICE, REAL NICE. I sense OP. Trust me everyone that is decently geared has FCP on all the time basically 95% of the time and yea you stripped people before its called getting lucky and probably was a new player or a noob That is a made up statistic. Try going on a stalker and stripping 10 people daily in for_fild for a week. Of course, when they return, either they'll have FCP or will not. I bet more than 1/2 of them will not have FCP. 200-500 dmg? O.O with ad? Dude, that's only possible if the creator has low int, the target has low vit, the target has GR and Devs (which in this case, you can bolt), uses the demihuman damage reduce hats (deviling hat, santa poring hat, etc), or assumptio from ifrit rings/priest. Edited April 9, 2010 by Forum~
bankai` Posted April 9, 2010 Author Report Posted April 9, 2010 (edited) Ok, so basically, what you want is the ability to FCP, "infinite" speed pots (via "Lif" homunculus), a strong melee attack via mammonite, high HP, a strong magic skill- Coldbolt, and the ability to break via AD. NICE, REAL NICE. That is a made up statistic. Try going on a stalker and stripping 10 people daily in for_fild for a week. Of course, when they return, either they'll have FCP or will not. I bet more than 1/2 of them will not have FCP. Lmao you're a funny man, yea i can say the same thing for other classes and all I'm asking for is to increase a little more hp on Tao gunka for creators stop making it sound like i want creators to be over powered and you're saying things that dont make sense high cold bolt dmg? strong mammonite dmg? If you never played or tested out a creator using mammonite you should because its basically shit.. max out your str 2x fbh your dmg is close to decent and before you start posting know your facts and read the thread topic okay bud? You strip people daily? can you say go kill noobs? Yea put all those on, it dont take much to nurf and AD attack and if you do use bolt your counter by gtb so your screwed Edited April 9, 2010 by bankai`
