Ninjas

[supream]

since theres more agree then disagree can this pass before the update. the 1 handed weapon and hp boost. i dont know what i was thinking cicada is fine as it is.

[supream]

also the weight limit thing was a no to right?

[Shadi]

Ninjas could indeed use the HP boost and one handed weapon. Increased weight only for a magic-type weapon.

As for Cicada Skin Shedding, it is a perfectly fine skill as is, its spamming can already allow one to tank up to 4 enemies at once with triple kiel.

4 enemies at once .. And then you guys want to add more HP AND give them an shield ? Meaning they would have the dmg of an 2 handed weapon AND have massive reductions or an GTB AND have weight limit increase ? That's like making a sniper bow one handed too and giving them addional HP and lets give them another buff shall we?.... because snipers dont have the ninjas dodging skills and the possibilities to do magic damage besides physical ones.

Just a simple question. Why do you guys want to make one class overpowered compared to the rest ? I'm not being ironic, sarcastic, or am trying to hurt anyones feelings. But I'd really like to know why...

[Adum*]

4 enemies at once .. And then you guys want to add more HP AND give them an shield ? Meaning they would have the dmg of an 2 handed weapon AND have massive reductions or an GTB AND have weight limit increase ? That's like making a sniper bow one handed too and giving them addional HP and lets give them another buff shall we?.... because snipers dont have the ninjas dodging skills and the possibilities to do magic damage besides physical ones.

Just a simple question. Why do you guys want to make one class overpowered compared to the rest ? I'm not being ironic, sarcastic, or am trying to hurt anyones feelings. But I'd really like to know why...

Cause they want to main that class?

[Rayray]

the only thing i want for ninjas is that the f king cloak removes their skills' catalyst requirements. other than that, i think everything is fine

[Adum*]

the only thing i want for ninjas is that the f king cloak removes their skills' catalyst requirements. other than that, i think everything is fine

Ahh, that's true. Ninja's are actually strong, its just that gtb kills magic type ninjas. =/

[supream]

i c what u mean about the 1 handed weapon just to consider that if ur a magic type ninja u dont have alot of hp. i only have about 230k with 230 vit and vit belts with double tao. if u use pure magic u have about as bad hp ans a gs, or even worse. cicada is easy to get around if you know what ur doing. fuma throw dosent do a lot of damage unless u have thana. i dont have thana. if you think its like tss your wrong. it dose alot less dmg. the best thing for ninjas is the magic. so gtb and most ninjas are done. and no fs isnt a sure thing around gtb. since it only dose about 80k to people with no shield on or less. and with shield it dose 50k. with out thana since most people dont have it. you cant compare a magic class to a archer class. that dosent work. btw how many ninjas do u see around. they are weak if u cant use them right. just like archers thats why people dont pick them. im not trying to make one class over powered. im trying to get people to have a little more variation of choices of evenly balanced characters.

the only thing i want for ninjas is that the f king cloak removes their skills' catalyst requirements. other than that, i think everything is fine

that would be nice. but since its not considered a gemstone it wont work for it.

Edited March 2, 2010 by supream

[Pachina]

I agree about 1handed weap and boosting their hp, but spamming cicada will make them very hard to kill.

[supream]

so is the hp boost and the 1 handed weapon a pass? i can live without the weight thing.

[Shadi]

If you really do that less damage you should consider changing your gear and/or build. Next to that I thought it was obvious why Ninjas have less HP than the other classes. It's because their tanking aka evading capabilities are huge. Way more than any other class in this entire game.

it dose alot less dmg

Depends on your gear/build (Yes it's easier to power up FO doesn't mean trowing skills cant do high damage as well). Same goes for the crappy final strike damage you stated. There are plenty of Ninjas that can do way more damage with final strike than that even when others use an usakoring fshield. Take for example War Head's ninja.

btw how many ninjas do u see around. they are weak if u cant use them right

Then the people should learn how to use them right instead of buffing them up so badly that every single person can play them and easily own with them.

im not trying to make one class over powered. im trying to get people to have a little more variation of choices of evenly balanced characters.

These changes seem way to overpowered if you ask me. In my opinion these suggestions are purely to buff the ninja class above the other classes.

If you really want to make these kind of suggestions to 'balance' things you have a long journey to go by buffing other classes to catch up with these changes. Especially sniper would need an massive buff if this is considered balancing.

the only thing i want for ninjas is that the f king cloak removes their skills' catalyst requirements. other than that, i think everything is fine

I can agree with that.

Tats my 2 cents :3.

Regards,

Shadi

[supream]

If you really do that less damage you should consider changing your gear and/or build. Next to that I thought it was obvious why Ninjas have less HP than the other classes. It's because their tanking aka evading capabilities are huge. Way more than any other class in this entire game.

ninjas out tank lks and pallies ok. ninjas have less hp because they are mostly magic.

Depends on your gear/build (Yes it's easier to power up FO doesn't mean trowing skills cant do high damage as well). Same goes for the crappy final strike damage you stated. There are plenty of Ninjas that can do way more damage with final strike than that even when others use an usakoring fshield. Take for example War Head's ninja.

well the build i use (that you cant figure out) is pretty good considering that fs can be easily countered. due to me not being a full fs build i wount get 100k with people wearing fs shield. also i never seen a ninja do that much with people who use shield unless they have thana ( which war head dose).

Then the people should learn how to use them right instead of buffing them up so badly that every single person can play them and easily own with them.

isnt that the same with sins?

These changes seem way to overpowered if you ask me. In my opinion these suggestions are purely to buff the ninja class above the other classes.

if you actually knew about ninjas. you would know that pressure, cart termination, soul breaker, meteor assault, acid bomb, and tarrot gets through most or if not all of the ninjas so called tanking skills.

If you really want to make these kind of suggestions to 'balance' things you have a long journey to go by buffing other classes to catch up with these changes. Especially sniper would need an massive buff if this is considered balancing.

this topic is not about snipers. you can start another topic if you like and find some supporters.

[Shadi]

ninjas out tank lks and pallies ok.

Pallies and LKs can survive more hits. But if you add the amount of dodges ninjas do ninjas can technically survive longer than LKs and Pallys.

well the build i use (that you cant figure out) is pretty good considering that fs can be easily countered. due to me not being a full fs build i wount get 100k with people wearing fs shield. also i never seen a ninja do that much with people who use shield unless they have thana ( which war head dose).

Then it's your choice not going for an full strike build. doesn't mean ninja has to be buffed so badly that you can have all builds at the same time.

isnt that the same with sins?

When is the last time the assassin cross class got buffed ?

if you actually knew about ninjas. you would know that pressure, cart termination, soul breaker, meteor assault, acid bomb, and tarrot gets through most or if not all of the ninjas so called tanking skills.

I can assure you I know more about ninjas, if not more about the entire game than you do, You're telling me I'm getting off topic but comments like these are more off topic than my entire posts.

Anyway, Pressure indeed pierces it. Will 2k kill you ? No it can only be your death by your own mistake. CT indeed breaks through the ninja skills but you can just hide and jump away from them easily. Soul breaker can be dodged by ninja skills, Meteor assault can be somewhat evaded as well if you just aim right you can push the target out of MA range as well, acid bomb can be dodged , and tarot card is pure logic that it works since you're not using an GTB shield. It's the same for all classes that dont wear gtb. Tarot card works vs guard and such as well so why shouldn't it work vs ninjas ?

However with your suggestion you want them to be able to wear shields as well. Meaning they will also be immune to magic and with an fcp immune to 95% of the tarot cards.

So if we summarize that. Ninjas evade all physical skills, all magic skills (if they get the shield) and will only be killable by about 2 maybe 3 skills in the entire game. To me that seems very overpowered.

this topic is not about snipers. you can start another topic if you like and find some supporters.

Sniper is just an example , I'm not suggesting anything towards the sniper class , no specific changes whatsoever so there's no need for me to make a topic about snipers. I'm just telling you if you make this class so overpowered, then the rest will follow eventually. And it will bring a lot of arguements and discussions with itself. Edited March 3, 2010 by Shadi

[supream]

like i said full fs can be countered. in the previous statement u said that you dont want a job were people can hop on and easily own. i didnt say that sins got buffed. i said u can hop right on it and be able to fight easier then any other class. sight can stop cloak and shadow jump. and u never considered that fact since u talk about full fs build, when u fs tarrot pressure and meteor can kill you. and yet again gtb stops all magic attacks. im not going to respond to your "knowledge" of RO. im not trying to flame and get this topic closed.

[Adum*]

How about just alter gtb instead of altering any class? I'm pretty ok when using my ninja[its not even geared] -without gtb- it can actually kill more people than my geared sniper.

[supream]

already tried to nerf gtb. majority hated it so it wont be done.

[Adum*]

already tried to nerf gtb. majority hated it so it wont be done.

They hated it cause they're scared of getting pwned by magic class. Seriously, if you really think about it, gtb pretty much fxcked things up.

[Shadi]

like i said full fs can be countered. in the previous statement u said that you dont want a job were people can hop on and easily own. i didnt say that sins got buffed. i said u can hop right on it and be able to fight easier then any other class. sight can stop cloak and shadow jump. and u never considered that fact since u talk about full fs build, when u fs tarrot pressure and meteor can kill you. and yet again gtb stops all magic attacks. im not going to respond to your "knowledge" of RO. im not trying to flame and get this topic closed.

It's really easy. You use your magic to force them to use gtb, once they use gtb your fs should be able to kill them. If not then consider getting a better build or gear. Plenty of ninjas can do it this way, on top of that you can give statuses with final strike, meaning you can also use WS card and SK card during your final strikes. (don't bring up everyone can get fcp.. Including outside buffs could be to your advantage as well)

Also as for the sinx part. you quoted the wrong part of my message if you meant hopping on and fight easily. However sinx has weaknesses as well just like every other class , And the NINJA class should have weaknesses as well.

I have considered sight and if you're fast enough you can still jump while being in their sight btw. Saying I have never considered it because I'm talking about an full fs build makes no sense at all. Those 2 things have nothing to do with each other. And yeah if you're slow enough not to ygg after full strike those 3 skills. Mark the 3 skills in the entire game(tops 4 skills), will be able to kill you. And tarot cards are fully based on luck meaning the players would even have to get lucky to dmg with one of their cards. Not to mention what they would need to have to kill you WITHOUT you using full strike. That would nearly be impossible.

im not going to respond to your "knowledge" of RO. im not trying to flame and get this topic closed.

Good you're doing exactly as I asked you to :3.

Edited March 4, 2010 by Shadi

[supream]

anyways disregarding the previous poster, any other comments?

[Guest Frost]

No need to be rude. Please keep on topic.

[Rayray]

ok here are my thoughts.

magic build is the most common build for ninjas. but like magic classes, it gets so fucked up with gtb that I just won't use this build unless I know I am against guys who aren't fast enough to switch to gtb. That is why I would rather use a ninja-skilled staker than a ninja. The problem is that gtb will never be nerfed because people here would QQ more against it. My only suggestion against this is make the dragoon warlord card ENABLE you to use Level 1 strip shield for magic classes, not just make it a 5% chance while attacking. Because to be honest, I love it when magic classes goes near my sinx or champ and tries to strip me by attacking.

throw fuuma shuriken is not bad, but not that good either, considering that it does less damage than TSS(with the same cards) and yet, it can be used with a 2 handed weapon. either buff the damage of throw fuuma shuriken or make a one handed weapon for ninjas that could use throw fuuma shuriken.

Final Strike is good if you build it right, but again, it is a weaker version of asura(so weak), a ranged skill(defender and pnuema can block it) and not good when fighting in groups(it reduces your hp to 1, so after you strike, probably you will die.

So in essence, this is on what I will agree.

1. Either make throw fuuma shuriken stronger that it can go par with a good TSS WITHOUT using thana or make a one handed weapon for ninjas.

2. Make the dragoon warlord enable strip shield level 1.

3. A little HP boost would do, but not as high as the given hp boost of tao to mage classes, since ninjas have more survivability even with a few hp.

4. No on removing the delay on cicada(3 kiels kills the delay anyway, you can even live with 2 kiels)

5. hopefully, like what Jay suggested before, make f cloak remove catalyst requirements of ninja skills.

[supream]

well zero i like your post. i dont want ninjas to have as much as a hp boost as wizies. that would be to much. since tss can do 10k with people with shields on, and fuma dose 4k or 3k with full fuma build u can see why it needs to be boosted just a little. idk about the strip shield. just dont see how it would work. u need to explain a little more. i mean would this work for priest to? cicada is fine as it is. making the f king cloak make stones not to be required would mean re scripting the cloak, which will take time.

[Adamxd]

REVIVE IT AND JUST DO IT>

[supream]

while we are add it can we make ashura 4 slotted and increase matck o 15% instead of 10% since its the only magic dagger they can wear. also theres no elite weapon for ninjas that increases m atck.

[Adamxd]

Hello can someone reply? Any gm is there who cares about poor ninja?

[Annie]

I'll agree with 1h wep and increased weight, HP boost should be fine, might add some variation to PvP (final strike). Cicada is fine as is.

wat teh froggeh sed.