gtx0032 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) I've been messing around with MVP already and I am seriously getting a bit tired with MVP nowadays so I wanted something new and here I am asking for tips and strategies on how to become a Pro PVP Sniper. I know most of you guys wouldn't even entertain the idea of a PVP Sniper but please bear with me as I do enjoy the fast machine-gun like attack it provides (SinX are also machine-gun fast but not so machine-gun like looking). Stats: I was told to pump up my Agi and Dex alone and some Vit and Int for DS Use. So I believe that the stats should look like Str: 100 + (to carry stuff) Agi: 195 aspd Dex: 29x + xx Int: (no idea) Vit: (no idea) Luck: (prolly 1) But I was thinking if there is a way to build a Critical PVP Sniper? Dunno if that's possible but I'll need your input. Equips: Well I would opt greatly for Forsaken King Equips due to their additional perks in hp, defense and sp but if not the Forsaken Elite would be next option. Upper Head Gear - Forsaken King Helm (STR +10, LUK +10 ASPD +10) [2 slot] or Kobold Archer Hat [1 slot] (Via Voting) - (dunno which card; would Kiel Be any good?) Middle Head Gear - Emeprium Aura, RoP, Mythical Flame [all 1 slot] - (dunno which card) Lower Head Gear - Rucksacks, MouthPiece [all 1 slot] - cards: Maya Purple (to see them hiding folks) Forsaken King Armor (VIT +10, total HP +10%) [2 slot] or Forsaken Elite Armor [2 slot] - cards: OL+OL (anti asura and physical attack), GR+Tao (anti neutral + more life), Tao+Tao (really more life) Forsaken King Boots (AGI +10, crit +10) [2 slot] or Forsaken Elite Boots [2 slot] - cards: FBH+FBH (definitely a must for PVP), Firelock+Firelock (dunno if its advisable but adds both SP and HP percentage) Forsaken King Cloak (total SP +15%, no gems needed) [2 slot] or Forsaken Elit Boots [2 slot] - cards: Skoll + Skoll (VIT def is always good), SinX Card + Hollowring (good for hiding and additional SP) Forsaken Elite Bow (Dex + 15, Agi + 15, Increase Damage on demi-humans by 15%, Allows use of Enlarge Weight Limit level 10) [4 slot] - No Substitution - cards: here i'll definitely need your help guys as i do not know what card to use. I know we have custom cards that do more damage with demihuman but im not too sure. I also happen to see one TG+TG+TG+ [LoD,VR,WS,Metalling] combination but yeah please share what you feel is best. Accessories: 2x Donation Dex Belts or 2x Non-Donation Dex Belts Tips: 1. Don't upgrade or + your forsaken king equips; its harder to resell and you get owned quickly by thanatos users. 2. Shockwave traps are good so when anyone tries to get near you their SP is gone. 3. Keep your falcon for its True Sight skill to reveal hidden enemies. 4. If the opponent is on a Ruwach switch to another status arrow as the status damage will still push thru. 5. Distance is your friend. Learn to shoot from afar. - I need an idea which is best arrow to use. Due to many GR+XX armor users do you guys think its best i use Holy Arrows? So please do let us know what you think is the best build for a Forsaken PVP Sniper. :) Edited December 31, 2009 by gtx0032
Adum* Posted December 31, 2009 Report Posted December 31, 2009 i just read the last part. if they use gr i think immaterial arrow will do more dmg to them.
monithin Posted January 3, 2010 Report Posted January 3, 2010 i just read the last part. if they use gr i think immaterial arrow will do more dmg to them. I read your post and i don't think it was really the best... yuo didn't really seem to know much about it. with that i will be making my own post very soon!!
Adum* Posted January 3, 2010 Report Posted January 3, 2010 I read your post and i don't think it was really the best... yuo didn't really seem to know much about it. with that i will be making my own post very soon!! I r noob. Sorry q.q ------------------------------- My noob attempt to answer or give a feedback~ Upper Head Gear - Forsaken King Helm (STR +10, LUK +10 ASPD +10) [2 slot] or Kobold Archer Hat [1 slot] (Via Voting) - (dunno which card; would Kiel Be any good?) Kobold and Vanberk card[?] Middle Head Gear - Emeprium Aura, RoP, Mythical Flame [all 1 slot] - (dunno which card) Use Forsaken Soldier card Forsaken King Armor (VIT +10, total HP +10%) [2 slot] or Forsaken Elite Armor [2 slot] - cards: OL+OL (anti asura and physical attack), GR+Tao (anti neutral + more life), Tao+Tao (really more life) I find it useless to have two OL (well I'm noob so...). Mine have GR+Tao Forsaken Elite Bow (Dex + 15, Agi + 15, Increase Damage on demi-humans by 15%, Allows use of Enlarge Weight Limit level 10) [4 slot] - No Substitution - cards: here i'll definitely need your help guys as i do not know what card to use. I know we have custom cards that do more damage with demihuman but im not too sure. I also happen to see one TG+TG+TG+ [LoD,VR,WS,Metalling] combination but yeah please share what you feel is best. How about Incant+TG+TG+skel? I was told that fbh don't stack with goldenring x.x -fail me I sold my 2 tg../sigh 2. Shockwave traps are good so when anyone tries to get near you their SP is gone. Yggdrasil Berry 3. Keep your falcon for its True Sight skill to reveal hidden enemies. True Sight is a buff skill. I use arrow shower to reveal those who are hidding [also I'm using frozen arrow, hoping it will freeze them so i can ds lol] 4. If the opponent is on a Ruwach switch to another status arrow as the status damage will still push thru. Ruwach reveals hidden/cloak players. I don't quite get what you're trying to say here. 5. Distance is your friend. Learn to shoot from afar. There's speed pot. =/ If only status for snipers would be more effective then it will be a lot easier to PVP with a sniper.
» Pat Posted January 3, 2010 Report Posted January 3, 2010 If only status for snipers would be more effective then it will be a lot easier to PVP with a sniper. If only Snipers could use stripping cards. q_Q
Adum* Posted January 3, 2010 Report Posted January 3, 2010 If only Snipers could use stripping cards. q_Q There's Amistr, Leaf, Wild Rose, and Baby Leopard for stripping. I haven't tried using them on my sniper though. /swt
» Pat Posted January 3, 2010 Report Posted January 3, 2010 Long range stripping is bugged and does not work at all.
Ethereal Posted January 3, 2010 Report Posted January 3, 2010 It doesn't matter if you're using D. Warlord, Metaling, that thief from lhz_dun02, Amistr Hat, or whatever has stripping, long ranged stripping does not work and it has been for a very long time now.
Adum* Posted January 3, 2010 Report Posted January 3, 2010 Aww, that just sucks. Are they even going to fix it? It would be fun stripping them and spam ds xD. Or be like, curse>strip>LOD -and hope for a coma.
gtx0032 Posted January 4, 2010 Author Report Posted January 4, 2010 thanks for the input cyanide. now im going to wait for the "pro" post for pvp sniper. i could porbably learn a thing or two here. i was just wondering how ineffective you feel OL + OL on armor is and if you go push thru DS/Focused Arrow PVP Sniper how do you compensate with your SP when using 2x FBH on your boots.
meanboy Posted January 4, 2010 Report Posted January 4, 2010 (edited) It's literally useless unless you meet this really dumb champ that'll asura you everytime. With double OL your sniper will have aronud 100k hp and will drop in a matter of seconds. There is no way to compensate for the low sp double FBH gives you, you will have to berry after a few DS/Focused Strike Unless you have thanatos card, snipers are really useless when it comes to pvp. And for vit, keep your vit at least 100 or above( xx+xx equal or bigger than 100) Edited January 4, 2010 by meanboy
gtx0032 Posted January 4, 2010 Author Report Posted January 4, 2010 so what cards would you suggest i use in my armor and cloak meanboy?
Adum* Posted January 4, 2010 Report Posted January 4, 2010 To annoy people use pest and gr I believe, or instead of gr use garm -that is, if they dont have f soldier card, marc or full f set.
Cirrus Posted January 4, 2010 Report Posted January 4, 2010 i was just wondering how ineffective you feel OL + OL on armor is and if you go push thru DS/Focused Arrow PVP Sniper how do you compensate with your SP when using 2x FBH on your boots.Personally I never liked "taking one for the team" when you could've averted certain death by switching to a shield and with the proper reductions. And as meanboy has said, the HP boost related to Snipers are on the Tao card, so you'd want to maximize that and not just reflect someone who probably has more HP than you anyway. It's hard to compensate, especially when adding INT doesn't really do anything. If you're going for DS, it doesn't really need Kiels since it's based on ASPD, you can go with 2 Pharaoh Cards if you'd like. 3... sure why not but not everyone has a rucksack/2 slot F.helm and there are better cards (i.e. F.soldier) that can go on it. Spamming Focus Arrow kinda needs like 3 Kiels so you really have no other choice than use berries. Unless you have thanatos card, snipers are really useless when it comes to pvp. And for vit, keep your vit at least 100 or above( xx+xx equal or bigger than 100) Has some truth to it but, with a good build (and the skills/items that go with it) you'd be doing 10-15k per DS on a shielded person and you have the skills that can keep them at bay. Of course against magic/other ranged enemies you'd have a harder time, though. Yeah, 100 total VIT will render you immune to most status effects, but you'd want more HP to maximize the Tao boost so find a build that would put more on VIT. so what cards would you suggest i use in my armor and cloak meanboy?What do you exactly wanna do, survive, full-offense, I have a few ideas myself from observing all the previous pro Snipers, maybe I can share it with you guiz. To annoy people use pest and gr I believe, or instead of gr use garm -that is, if they dont have f soldier card, marc, full f set or if you break their f.armor with WS card to render the set useless. ^____^ LOL.
Adum* Posted January 4, 2010 Report Posted January 4, 2010 I fail!, I don't have WS. Q_Q Come to think of it, how about making status ailments more effective? Let's see some statuses around. About that vs Magic/Long ranged enemies, use that card that autocast pneuma.
gtx0032 Posted January 4, 2010 Author Report Posted January 4, 2010 thanks cirrus for the inputs. basically i want to survive. i want to survive an asura and shoot the scared living daylight out of a champ who just did the asura. i guess my OL+OL idea is out so ill be moving to either Tao+GR or Tao+Tao on my armor. on my cloack i was thinking of using Hollowring + SinX card to hide (survive). on boots well 2x FBH definitely. on my weapon i dont know... i have 2x TG, 1x Incan and 1x Skel Worker but I do want to make space for WS for breaking armor. any advice on a full offense card set for a bow? head gear ive got ruck and f helm and a rop so i can accomodate 4 cards. i just wouldnt know if ill go to DS or focused arrow. which one is more effective in surviving?
Cirrus Posted January 4, 2010 Report Posted January 4, 2010 i guess my OL+OL idea is out so ill be moving to either Tao+GR or Tao+Tao on my armor.GR+Tao is the safest, with Tao+Tao AD/Sac, not to mention Asura, will more or less rape you. Some Snipers opt for the vote reward Kobold Archer Hat, as it gives 40% more damage with Crossbow weapons, but it works with the Sniper Bow. Some of these Snipers opt for an Evil Druid+Tao armor, as undead property doesn't freeze (and Stone Curse, IIRC), and is immune to a SinX's Poison React skill, which is how some SinX's counter a ranged attacker. Be wary of people who use Fire converters or Holy property attacks though. on my cloack i was thinking of using Hollowring + SinX card to hide (survive).If you're not on an F.Set (hence, no F.Cloak SP bonus), a Hollowring should be fine. But most often it's combo'd with a Skoll card, for anti-Thana purposes, or a Pouring card, which gives more damage to Double Strafe. Also try to have a switch to double Raydrics for neutral resist. on my weapon i dont know... i have 2x TG, 1x Incan and 1x Skel Worker but I do want to make space for WS for breaking armor. any advice on a full offense card set for a bow?That's a good all-around bow, if you get any extras you can opt for a non-Incant one (TG TG TG/Skel Skel) because some people have negative defense and you don't want Incant to be ignoring that negative defense. :P Just have a couple of Composite Bows with cards you'd like, maybe a 4x LoD one for fun, or a VR/WS/SK/Thana Maero for annoyance/break. head gear ive got ruck and f helm and a rop so i can accomodate 4 cards. i just wouldnt know if ill go to DS or focused arrow. which one is more effective in surviving?Focused Arrow kinda requires uhhh. 3 or 4 Kiels I don't remember, most people just go DS, it's easily spammable and does more damage per hit than a normal attack.
gtx0032 Posted January 5, 2010 Author Report Posted January 5, 2010 thanks again cirrus! I'll be using GR+Tao on my F.King Armor and Evil Druid+Tao on F. Elite Armor. I'll be using a F. King Cloak (thus the SP bonus) so do I use Skoll+Hollowring, Pouring+Pouring? I also have a F. Elite Cloack so what cards would you sugegst I use there? (raydric+raydric)? So for weapon I'll be leaning towards: TG+TG+TG+SkelWorker - Sniper Bow 1 TG+TG+Incan+SkelWorker - Sniper Bow 2 (all around bow for pvp and mvp (i guess) ) Lodx4 - Comp Bow VR+WS+SK+ThanaMaero - Comp Bow For headgear equips I was thinking of getting: 2x Pharoah Card - F.King Helm [2 slots] 1x Forsaken Soldier Card - RoP 1x Maya Purple Card - Ruck *is this card set advisable? i was leaning towards DS instead of focused arrow and the Pharaoh cards greatly helped the cost reduction of my skills (DS,ImproveConcentration,EagleEye). Ive been using pharaoh cards on my MVP sniper build and with an SP of 127 i was able to manage Improve+EagleEye+Windwalk at one go. with PVP i can just go buff then ygg then DS all the way. and also cirrus if its ok with you i would like to update my first post and add your inputs and give you credit for it of course. its a better read for newbs and n00bs alike rather scrolling up and down you see.
meanboy Posted January 5, 2010 Report Posted January 5, 2010 go with something + sinX card on your F cloak, hollowring is kinda useless unless you're desperate of sp.
Cirrus Posted January 5, 2010 Report Posted January 5, 2010 I'll be using a F. King Cloak (thus the SP bonus) so do I use Skoll+Hollowring, Pouring+Pouring? I also have a F. Elite Cloack so what cards would you sugegst I use there? (raydric+raydric)?Skoll+Sinx is good, some go Pouring+Sinx too. And yeah try to have a neutral resist cloak like 2x Raydric, which you can use in conjunction with a shield with Usakoring to try and resist Asura. And since you'll be empty on right hand, carry a Combat Knife with you. So for weapon I'll be leaning towards: TG+TG+TG+SkelWorker - Sniper Bow 1 TG+TG+Incan+SkelWorker - Sniper Bow 2 (all around bow for pvp and mvp (i guess) ) Lodx4 - Comp Bow VR+WS+SK+ThanaMaero - Comp Bow Incant doesn't work on MVPs so you could probably use the first bow, or slot a Composite with something like 3x Abysmal Knight and a size modifier, like Skel/Minorous(?)/Desert Wolf For headgear equips I was thinking of getting: 2x Pharoah Card - F.King Helm [2 slots] 1x Forsaken Soldier Card - RoP 1x Maya Purple Card - Ruck Yeah that sounds okay, you won't be able to spam Focus but DS is a good skill to spam anyway. and also cirrus if its ok with you i would like to update my first post and add your inputs and give you credit for it of course. its a better read for newbs and n00bs alike rather scrolling up and down you see.Lol sure, whatever helps anyone.
gtx0032 Posted January 5, 2010 Author Report Posted January 5, 2010 alright! i think im all set for some action!!! thanks guys especially to cirrus! ill be updating my first post then!
Adum* Posted January 5, 2010 Report Posted January 5, 2010 I would like to see you in for_fild01 some time xD
Rayray Posted January 5, 2010 Report Posted January 5, 2010 it's been so long since I have seen snipers in pvp. Have fun :D
gtx0032 Posted January 7, 2010 Author Report Posted January 7, 2010 I've already received my equipment and I've found out that I favor spamming Focused Arrows compared to DS as the difference in damage is great. So my current equips are so: Upper Head Gear - F.King Helm [Kiel+Kiel] Middle Head Gear - RoP [Kiel] Lower - Ruck [Maya Purple] F. King Armor [GR+Tao] F. King Cloak [Hollowring+SinX] F. King Boots [FBH+FBH] F. Elite Sniper Bow [TG+TG+Incan+Skel Worker] 2x Donation Dex Belt - I've equipped Holy Arrows So I did pump my stats with STR: 100 AGI: 195 ASPD (400 flee rate) DEX: 29X + XXX INT: total SP is now 907 thanks to hollowring and cloack VIT: this i need to fix as I still die to asura So my question is how to survive in playing against Asura. I'm a one hit kill and I dont know if charged attack can move them away from me. Hiding using SinX didnt do much as they have Ruwach (i totally forgot about that). Well I guess I better practice using traps or hope charge attack works so I can shoo them away. But yeah thanks so much for the inputs people really gave me a good time last night.
Cirrus Posted January 7, 2010 Report Posted January 7, 2010 You don't have a lot of choices, but: 1) Go shield and use a dagger with strip/break cards (Metaling, Dragoon Warlord, Whitesmith) and melee the Champion. 2) Set down Skid Traps and Arrow Shower them towards a Champ to get the out of Pneuma, but then RSX counters that, and you can't WS RSX armor either. 3) You can put a Wikebine Tres card in an accessory and strip his RSX armor (melee w/ a shield). 4) If he got FCP, well, you can just try to outlive it with Ankle Snares, Skid Traps, Shockwaves(?) or whatnot, on Combat Knife + Usakoring Shield, keep your distance, trap, whatever.
