Stalkers Qq

[Millenia]

Is it possible to allow Preserve to not be dispelled by Valk R and Dispell? It sucks when we lose our skill which we heavily rely on....

[Terroryst]

Lets allow Stalks to copy trans skills, eheh.

Aside from that, gettin' my skill dispelled is quite annoying.

[Devotion]

Controversial, since other classes rely on certain buffs for their build. But Preserve is a bit more special than most. As for coding, I don't know if it's possible; have to ask.

[Sorrow]

i used to think that it was pretty fair...one thing interesting to do to stalkers was dispell them and cast something like Lv 1 FireBolt, then again, here with everybody being able to use dispell, it is really inconvenient.

As Devotion said, many classes depend on buffs to work effectively. But on stalker's caze, dispell doesn't just end their buff but it also takes one of their skills away(and normally a key skill), which is way more serious than simply rebuffing.

Well Rogue's Spirit makes them immune to dispell...and since buffs like Chemical protections and EDP are coded to not be dispelled, i think doing the same to preserve is rather possible ^^

Lets allow Stalks to copy trans skills, eheh.

Aside from that, gettin' my skill dispelled is quite annoying.

hnnn...Ghost Arrow DS and AD would make such a nice combo...

[Cirrus]

Is it possible to allow Preserve to not be dispelled by Valk R and Dispell? It sucks when we lose our skill which we heavily rely on....

My sentiments exactly.

[sessions]

Lets allow Stalks to copy trans skills, eheh.

Aside from that, gettin' my skill dispelled is quite annoying.

Having trans skills would be nice....

Although its probably not possible but maybe level 5 dispel can still remove preserve, just not that crap from valkr.

[L2Aim]

Be patient, wait out the FCP and strip their gears.

It's hard to play stalker, not undoable, a health boost should have a higher priority aswell as other fixes.

Plus, using a soul linker is worth the trouble, next to the added movement speed, the dispel mechanism also is blocked.

[sessions]

Be patient, wait out the FCP and strip their gears.

It's hard to play stalker, not undoable, a health boost should have a higher priority aswell as other fixes.

Plus, using a soul linker is worth the trouble, next to the added movement speed, the dispel mechanism also is blocked.

Stalker is easy to play if your enemy is not prepared. I agree with the hp boost of course and I usually do Soul Link myself besides its hard to depend on being linked 24/7. And about being patient, you know fcp lasts 10 minutes right? That is forever to wait just to kill one person whether it be in LMS, PvP, or just around for fild and lhz.

[Devotion]

Not to mention many players still have FCP scrolls.

[Xtopher]

...and since buffs like Chemical protections and EDP are coded to not be dispelled, i think doing the same to preserve is rather possible ^^

This.

[plotus2]

Accept this suggestion plox.

[Sensation]

Preserve is not a catalyst skill, EDP and FCP are.

The reason why those aren't dispel-able is because of that catalyst.

More skills are crucial for other classes, I do realise stalkers are weak(though you can ladder with it quite well), but they're not reliant on it.

These forums are made so players can discuss whether or not the made suggestions are reasonable.

Without discussion GMs would gain complaints that we don't let players get a chance to accept/reject/discuss their suggestions.

So without enough feedback, the suggestions are dying.

[Kusanagi]

Trans skills would make them really balanced to the current pvp tendencies but its unlikely to happen.

Since trans skills is so unlikely I think preserve should be imposible to dispell , after all Stalkers Heavily rely on theyre build.

[Terroryst]

Lets agree to this.

[sessions]

Trans skills would make them really balanced to the current pvp tendencies but its unlikely to happen.

Since trans skills is so unlikely I think preserve should be imposible to dispell , after all Stalkers Heavily rely on theyre build.

I agree that both should be implemented but I do not believe we will get trans skills, no dispel would be nice.

[Terroryst]

Actually, I don't see that much of a problem with Stalker having trans skills anymore. Plenty of servers do it, FCP is expendable here, and most people have armors that have RSX in it.

[Anarii]

Actually, I don't see that much of a problem with Stalker having trans skills anymore. Plenty of servers do it, FCP is expendable here, and most people have armors that have RSX in it.

I agree with that, trans skills on a stalker would not really cause any OP at all. Stalkers deserve something, because one of their main skills is almost always rendered useless in the daily PvP situation.

Stalkers would not be able to take advantage of a great deal of the trans skills, being limited by the weapons and precasts needed for said skill.

and as for preserve; as it was before, it should be now.

Edited September 29, 2009 by Anarii

[Yuki]

To be honest, me, Exhibition and Sensation were discussing this very topic today.

As Terroryst notified, I don't believe it would be that overpowered. Although we can't be for certain; there will always be ways for people to find loopholes or some sneaky strategy they may come up with. One of the skills they could take advantage of is Acid Demonstration. Another would be Tarot Card of Fate, which could actually be very powerful depending on the strategy that the stalker uses.

Feel free to discuss.

[Terroryst]

Tarot would be the main thing that might scare people, but they wouldn't be able to do anything once again if the person has FCP + GTB, which isn't hard to get. Even if a Stalker copied sacrifice, a person can easily berry through a sacrifice done with only 200k HP, and it also kills the stalker's berries, something they can't carry that much of.

[Sensation]

Lowering the FCP duration would increase both the amount of stalkers and actually played creators.

And there might be another interesting change, but I can't promise anything so yea :x is the best option.

[Dr. Tran]

Another would be Tarot Card of Fate, which could actually be very powerful depending on the strategy that the stalker uses.

I thought stalkers can't copy any skills unless they got "hit / damaged" by it, so in theory they shouldn't be able to copy tarot (altho few of the cards do damage on others).

[Yuki]

I thought stalkers can't copy any skills unless they got "hit / damaged" by it, so in theory they shouldn't be able to copy tarot (altho few of the cards do damage on others).

Well that may be true but it still deals damage. And if it deals damage upon stalkers, then they should be able to copy it.

For example, since Plagiarism effect is:

Plagiarism (Skill ID# 225) iRO Name: Intimidate

Type: Passive Max Level: 10

Requirements: Intimidate Level 5

Required For: Preserve (L10 Stalker)

Effect: Allows the last offensive skill used on you to be used as a skill you have gained. Only one skill may be copied at a time in this fashion, maximum copied skill level equals the Plagiarism SkillLV.

It says it copies offensive skills. And Tarot Card of Fate is an active skill. So, I tested with a wizard and a stalker. I used the wizard's Sight Blaster (which is an active skill) and hit my stalker. And yes, my stalker indeed did copy the Sight Blaster when it was hit. So with that, I can probably conclude Tarot Card of Fate can be copied.

[Kusanagi]

Lowering the FCP duration would increase both the amount of stalkers and actually played creators.

And there might be another interesting change, but I can't promise anything so yea :x is the best option.

When did we said anything about reducing FCP duration O.o.

Wow so actually its a "Maybe" regarding trans skills for stalks?.

Here are the common list of common skills used with trans skill on stalks:

Gloria Domini: The main problem about this is the Huge Delay and they do not have enough HP as Paladins to afford letting people get close to them and survive,

Tarot Card: Im not really sure if it can be copied since I never seen this skill being used in other servers, but still the backslosh is that it requires time to make it hit and if Trans skills are aproved then It SHOULD be posible to dispell, after all that will be the main way to counter this kind of problem.

Sacrifice: Cant do much damage with a cap of 240k HP if you are fully onto this skill, also Stalkers are very limited on the amount of berrys they can carry.

Acid Demonstration: yet again, weight: unlike creators wich have a vast amount of spare status points AND 8000 extra weight carry, Stalkers cant afford to carry that many bottles while having berrys with them, Besides for AD to be worth they need quite some amount of INT, making other skills such as DS useless since you wont have enough stat points left to make it up for the damage.

Soul Breaker: Its a joke in this server.

Shield Chain: Unless you use a Strong shield is pretty useless since it relies in the shield Weight, by the way the strong shield increase recieved damage.

Ragin Palm Push Strike: Extremely high delay makes it imposible to spam as well as the pushback effect.

That's basically all posible skills to copy, after all every other skill have restricted weapons wich Stalkers can't use.

I dont see that much of a problem either.

[Sensation]

Palm Push Strike Requires the Fury State, was thinking about it myself, but it seems to not be an issue.

And FPC was mentioned as it might also be changed and that is quite beneficial to every stalker.

[Apo]

Nothing wrong with current stalkers, depends on how you play them, bb and such are already killer skills for stalkers. Hp boost isnt necessary my stalker can tank full asura from top champs of this server even frozen. As of main topic, when a stalker is linked, preserve doesnt get dispelled.