Ethereal Posted July 27, 2009 Report Posted July 27, 2009 Alright, so I know this isn't that important, but I just think it's something that should be changed. Elite Stalker Daggers do : Int + 9 MATK + 25% 3 Slotted What I'm wondering is- why the 3 slots? Is it as if we add another slot, would be considered overpowered? If so, why don't we just reduce the MATK% and then add another slot? I mean like although 3 slots may seem alright, but I don't think it's always enough. I suggest that we add another slot, and change the Elite Stalker Dagger stats to the same one as the Elite High Wizard/Professor Staff. Which is : Str+10 <- Not really needed. Int+10 - Or just stay as 9 MATK + 20% That way, we can still keep a good amount of MATK and have another card for any purpose. Something small, nothing THAT big.
Ethereal Posted July 27, 2009 Author Report Posted July 27, 2009 Yeah I know it's not that necessary, but I just think it could help a little bit. Small changes won't hurt as well.
Anarii Posted July 27, 2009 Report Posted July 27, 2009 How about give us a melee damage sword? We're not able to use our full potential as a melee class without it.
Shinada Hsin Posted July 27, 2009 Report Posted July 27, 2009 How about an elite stalker sword for str stalkers.
Cirrus Posted July 27, 2009 Report Posted July 27, 2009 How about give us a melee damage sword? We're not able to use our full potential as a melee class without it.Ya, dis. On the other hand, like as said... another slot wouldn't hurt on the Dagger.
Sorrow Posted July 27, 2009 Report Posted July 27, 2009 Why doesn't it have 4 slots anyways? If it doesn't then that's the only elite weapon with such disadvantage.
Xtopher Posted July 27, 2009 Report Posted July 27, 2009 Well, I'm really indifferent to this but just thought I'd add that small changes do make a difference in builds. I mean lets say the dagger stayed the same but had 1 more slot, if the stalkers full int type then He'll probably do kingring cards which add like 4% matk each I believe. So 25% + 4%x4 = +41% matk, then add the 2x fbh = +20%. +61% to your matk is very different than +57% (w/o extra slot) especially when your fighting a well equipped stalker with around 400-450 int combined. However, if you just remove 5% from the weapon and add a slot then with 4 kingrings it's like +56%. Which is lower than it would be right now with 3 kingrings (+57%). I'm not entirely sure about the matk % stacking or the kingring stacking, this is all really just a guess so I could be completely wrong. Not trying to cut anyone's ideas or argue, just trying to contribute. I know there's some people who are really particular about their builds and others who really could care less about a couple %.
Rayray Posted July 27, 2009 Report Posted July 27, 2009 ^ so are you saying that the dagger should stay as it is? Then if so, imma disagree with you. The dagger needs 4 slots. and all your arguments about how much "different" it is with 61% matk... I got something to say on it.. GTB+FCP so yeah let us add one more slot on the dagger, it could help a lot.
Xtopher Posted July 27, 2009 Report Posted July 27, 2009 I said I'm indifferent. I don't care what happens to the dagger. I was just commenting that small changes can make noticeable differences. Of course GTB+FCP = dead int stalker. That's never been in question. It's just important to consider all angles when making a change like this.
Ophelia Posted July 27, 2009 Report Posted July 27, 2009 MATK doesn't lose % with the more kingrings you have; it's not the same as normal damage cards. The highest stalkers could get would be 57% with double FBHs, 4kingrings, and the 25% bonus from the weapon. I agree that stalkers dagger should have [4] slots, I find it odd how it doesn't already. Stalkers have low HP, low weight, and need a boost in general, this would be helpful for magic based stalkers. Also, stalkers really do need a sword.
Xtopher Posted July 27, 2009 Report Posted July 27, 2009 MATK doesn't lose % with the more kingrings you have; it's not the same as normal damage cards. The highest stalkers could get would be 57% with double FBHs, 4kingrings, and the 25% bonus from the weapon. So does the 4th card not stack? I just don't understand how you get 57% from 2x10% + 4x4% +25% unless the 4th card doesn't stack.
Ophelia Posted July 27, 2009 Report Posted July 27, 2009 2 FBH = 20% 4 Kingring cards give 3% each = 12% Weapon matk = 25% Altogether, 57%.
Xtopher Posted July 27, 2009 Report Posted July 27, 2009 2 FBH = 20% 4 Kingring cards give 3% each = 12% Weapon matk = 25% Altogether, 57%. Okay, I thought they added 4% each. Thanks. Ontopic: It is odd that it has only 3 slots to begin with. Regardless as to what happens to the dagger I think they should get a sword implemented.
Rayray Posted July 27, 2009 Report Posted July 27, 2009 hmm well the angles that are needed to be considered are these. 1. most elite weapons got 4 slots 2. stalkers got low hp, low weight limit and their int build is screwed by one card and one skill of creators but yeah I agree that they should have a sword too.
Ophelia Posted July 27, 2009 Report Posted July 27, 2009 I just discussed this with Genesis, the elite dagger should have [4] slots next update. No reason it shouldn't because every other elite weapon has [4] slots, hopefully this'll help stalkers if only a little. Accepted. As for the stat suggestion, I see no reason why the MATK should be lowered- wouldn't that ruin the whole point of adding a new slot? It'd make the MATK even less than it originally was with [3] slots.
Ethereal Posted July 27, 2009 Author Report Posted July 27, 2009 Moved to Accepted, then. Before, I was told that the Elite Stalker Dagger only had 3 slots because apparently it was considered "overpowered." So that's why I suggested to reduce the MATK.
Sensation Posted July 28, 2009 Report Posted July 28, 2009 13055# A sword made from titanium, design exclusively for the Forsaken Stalker. Indestructible (except in upgrade attempts). Increase damage on DemiHuman enemies by 7%, Str + 5, Dex + 5. Class :^777777 Sword^000000 Attack :^777777 120^000000 Weight :^777777 130^000000 Weapon Level :^777777 3^000000 Required Level :^777777 255^000000 Applicable Job :^777777 Stalker^000000 And the daggers did have 4 slots in the fix I made, see below. I could go on and on about new elite weapon additions/fixes, they're already made up a long long time ago, just not made public.
