Shinigami Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 (edited) Last European WoE, there were about 350 ~ 380 people online. Assuming that 150 of them were vending or just an alt char of another person (e.g. FCPer / Buffers), there are about 200 ~ 230 people going to the same castle. Even if the 4 strongest guild WoE-ing at this hour merged and defended Repherion, I doubt they would be able to hold it due to the number of people rushing towards the emperium. So wouldn't it be nice if another European castle was opened? It would break the habit of just trying to last minute the castle. Wouldn't it be more fun to have to push through a defense of some sort? And most people don't really want to participate in European WoE because all that matters is the last 2 minutes of WoE anyways. This is just my opinion. Edited July 21, 2009 by Sensation Changed poll to not be multiple choice, people could vote yes & no at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhapsody Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 We also included in our previous announcements that we would be opening more castles as more people join Euro WoE. For now, we have to wait and see what our administrators have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamersrule26 Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 I think we should get another euro castle , but i do find euro woe more fun than the other ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethereal Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Moved to Suggestions for further discussion of this idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dart Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 I don't think so. Everyone in other threads is concerned with price dropping on Emp Auras. This, would make that drop faster and harder. Euro WoE, wasn't something I was for in the first place, to be honest. I'm sorry, but we play an American based server. Tons of people may play it from all over the world, but it's based in the US. It's time, is GMT -5. Not anywhere in Europe or Asia. It's in North America/South America. American based. Just having a Euro WoE, for me, isn't necessary. However, my opinion doesn't make it happen, or stop it from happening. I lived with it. But I must say, that one castle is plenty for a WoE that has nothing to do with where the server is based. One castle keeps things MUCH more tense, much harder and more fun. I wouldn't mind terribly if 'American' WoE went back to 2 castles, or even 1 castle. So the last 2 minutes is all that matters, big deal. You still have to stay on your toes to TRY and hold it. It's not supposed to be easy to hold a castle in the first place. Especially with the rewards you get from it. Emp Aura, Ygg Tix, Helms, it shouldn't be easy. Plainly, one castle is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terroryst Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 I think there should be at least another castle. There's 3 castles on normal WoE days, and there's 2 days per week. There's only one castle for Euro WoE and only once a week, so that guild gets to keep it a lot longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devotion Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 First of all, Euro WoE began as Eurasian WoE, then just became Euro WoE. Many Asian players were upset with the time. So if anything, why not add a castle during prime Asian hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenia Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 I find it unfair how you say this server is American based when most players are from the Philippines. Just because you say the server is American based doesn't mean you should leave the rest of the community out; doing so would be a very bad thing, which I'm sure would be common sense to someone who is a GM. What I got from your posts was basically 'fuck non-Americans!'. As someone who is from Europe I believe we SHOULD have another castle. American WoE has three castles which is more than enough, and Euro WoE has alot of participants, we really could do with another castle. I remember mentioning it to Genesis and he seemed okay with the idea but idk what happened there. As for it being easier to receive drops then fucking up emp prices further, lol you're wrong. A NEW emperium aurora would drop, which would sell for higher than all the current emperiums. A new rucksack would drop selling higher than the other rucksacks. That's how the economy works. Basically, I vote yes for this idea! However I suggest American WoE has two castles and one castle moved over to Euro WoE to make it equal for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devotion Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 ahem...back to my query: what about Asia? Most players are from the Philippines right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenia Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Euro WoE was originally designated Eurasian WoE when the discussion thread was open to discuss it. Then it magically became exclusively Euro WoE. It actually is meant for Europeans AND Asians. The WoE time was made for that purpose, to convene for the largest population possible. Euro WoE is for asians too, so that makes your idea obsolete. Now back to everyone elses opinions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dart Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 I already said I wouldn't mind having American WoE dropped back to 2 castles, or even 1 castle. From someone who shows tendencies to be intelligent, I would have expected you to read that. Also, the fact that you got 'fuck non-Americans!' from my post, when you have posted 'FUCK AMERICUNTS', 'FUCK AMERICANS' in the past, shows me how stupid you CAN be. You're more racist than I am. And yes, I have racist tendencies. If you sterotype, you're a little racist. Everyone is. But I do not let it change my decisions as a GM. I am under no obligation to change my opinion about anything, just because I'm a GM. I have just as much right to it as you do. You do not however, have the right to insinuate that simply because I'm a GM, I can't post my opinion as I want. I knew I would get hated on because I disagree with it. Even if I had worded my post differently, I would be hated on. GM's get hated on no matter what they do, it comes with the job. I've already learned that, and accept it. Hate all you want, it won't make me change anything I do. As for where most of our players come from. Many may be from the Philippines. But a lot of them, and no offense to the nice people from there, are the very people that have scammed the people from this server, that have botted this server, and abused the most bugs. I don't think that should be 'rewarded' with a new castle. I do not hate people from the Philippines. I have friends that live there, friends in Europe, Asia, Mexico, wherever. I do not hate people from regions, just because they are from there. I hate people for things that they do. But, this has nothing to do with hate. This has to do with my PERSONAL opinion, that a second WoE castle isn't needed for Euro WoE. I'm entitled to that. Though, I do find it kind of strange, how you know so much about what new items will be coming out, when they'll hit the market, how they'll be obtained and so on. Kind of strange for someone not part of the staff to know the inner workings of the updates to come. Again, to put it plainly, I do not believe a second WoE castle is needed. That is my PERSONAL opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devotion Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Euro WoE is for asians too, so that makes your idea obsolete. Now back to everyone elses opinions! Actually, a previous topic debated this and it was decided that it was meant for Europeans. If it's also meant for Asians why is it not Eurasian WoE? PS: let's not make this a flame thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenia Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 I gave you my opinion and how I understood your post, when you reply POLITELY I will respond to yours. Thank you. :) Edit: I'm not flaming anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dart Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 More polite than some of the posts you've made towards GMs, my dear. ;D Quick Edit 2: She was referring to me as well Leni. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devotion Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Ugh you're both being impolite. So I'm going to step in right now and say that there will be no other European castle unless is corresponds well with Asian time, since the current Euro woe is not convenient for many Asians. Oh yes, I'd also like to remind/mention that we wouldn't add two castles at once. We add castles according to population increase. So another European castle is fine, but an Asian castle is more pressing, so the second Euro one would have to wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenia Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Kind of strange for someone not part of the staff to know the inner workings of the updates to come. I'll reply to this. I am part of staff, the past few updates which featured new items have solely been based on things I've edited specifically for fRO. I work closely each week with Genesis and input ideas, along with other people/staff. But yes, back to the castles. I don't really like the idea of another WoE for asians, because we should make Euro WoE to aid both Asians and Europeans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devotion Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 But the thing is the castle open Fridays was supposed to be for Asians and Europeans, but it isn't. So before we secure another Euro castle I'd rather focus on an Asian WoE. Another WoE for Asians doesn't exist, none was created to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dart Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Perhaps we could further negotiate a time that would be good for both continents, and open a second castle for them both? Although, I doubt many people will want to change the WoE time now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
its777 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Oh gee wizz.. hasnt this topic gotten out of hand. read the title rather than ranting about useless trash and btw dart when i read that post i pretty much got "fuck non-americans" aswell, what the heck was with your next post? philo's are scammers, bug abusers etc etc? are you in your right fucking mind? if you are.. then you sir are seriously fucked up! and btw who makes this server dart? you? just americans? no, fair enough you got your own opinion but PLEASE can you not drag them on!! you dont know shit about woe or economy, or the concept of "fun" and how people STRUGGLE SO FUCKING HARD over woe because of not many castles, to be honest im pretty sure all you're good for is sitting there giving yourself a pat on the back for being a dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensation Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Higher amount of castles make things easier actually. 1 for the European is far enough, adjusting the time to make it more suitable for both European and Asian players would be a far better solution. The only problem would be, that we can't exclude American players from inserting yes/no into a poll and thus make the poll 'corrupt'. My suggestion is, reduce the 'American' WoE castle amount and keep the 1 castle for European WoE, perhaps adjust the time so that Asian players can participate to a better content. P.S. Keep personal vendetta's outside these public topics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamersrule26 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 First of all, Euro WoE began as Eurasian WoE, then just became Euro WoE. Many Asian players were upset with the time. So if anything, why not add a castle during prime Asian hours. Asian Woe ! Sounds fun to me , even thou I am in Europe ( But I'm still the same Filipino ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dart Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 @its777 I'd say my second post was more of a dick than my first post. Don't see how you guys got 'fuck non-americans' when all I say is the server is based in the US, and that I thougt Euro WoE was unneccesary o.O. But whatever, we pretty much got past my first 2 posts. Leni ignored what I replied with, and moved on with the topic. A good thing. Then I moved on with the topic. Don't bring back what we passed up, if you would please. As for changing the time, I'm all for that. In the old poll where people chose the original time, the Asian population had less say because most of them don't forum and it was mainly Europeans that do. Possibly make an in-game NPC for polls like this? The bad thing there, is that people could vote on tons of different characters and rig the polls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devotion Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 hmm. Just to clear something up, it was our administrator who once stated that almost all scam cases are done by players with IP's from the Philippines. He handles most scam cases, along with our head Game Master. That's where Dart bases his post from. No one here is 'fucked up." Here is an interesting set of facts: http://alexa.com/siteinfo/forsaken-ro.net Most of our population is made up of Americans, Canadians, Indonesians, Philippinos, and Mexicans. The only European country to make the top ranks is France. Europeans have their castle, but given that Indonesia and The Philippines is ranked number three and four on the list, the next open castle for a non-American WoE should be primarily advantageous to players living in those two regions. That doesn't keep Europeans from participating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensation Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 As long those countries don't want WoE in the morning (which the normal American WoE already is for them) but around evening, it should be fine for Europeans. The exception that would apply is: Don't do it on a weekday(includes Friday). But on Sunday instead (because American WoE is on Saturday already). Weekdays aren't fitting for anyone, students, people who got a job etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamersrule26 Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Weekdays aren't fitting for anyone, students, people who got a job etc. This is so true. For me , during school weeks i miss 50-60 min of Euro WoE because school ends at 3:00 and it takes about 50 min to get home from school and Euro WoE in England starts at 4:00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
