Ophelia Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 Alright regardless of Lampshade cheating or not, Clown/Gypsy still have Tarots and nonetheless there are tons of Clown/Gypsy out there that use the /data/ crap and don't get caught, it's basically legal for how much get away with it. I completely agree. People need to be educated on how to catch someone out, how to spot it, and what to do to report. :/
*Kevin* Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 Backslide isnt abused , as it isnt snap . If you arent able to fight it .. @_@ . I think i said all i had to say .. apart from .. less QQ more skills pl0x . @Zero : aha ( and btw trust me im not the most *expert* ( which is the right way to see your *idiot* ) in this forum , maybe you just dont read every topic :)) . In anycase proofs or not , not everyone will be banned for wpe/sprite hacking so .. just fight it back and own them making them whine and cry over their mom's shoulders or their daddy's money .
Zero Posted June 22, 2009 Author Report Posted June 22, 2009 Backslide isnt abused , as it isnt snap . If you arent able to fight it .. @_@ . I think i said all i had to say .. apart from .. less QQ more skills pl0x . @Zero : aha ( and btw trust me im not the most *expert* ( which is the right way to see your *idiot* ) in this forum , maybe you just dont read every topic :)) . In anycase proofs or not , not everyone will be banned for wpe/sprite hacking so .. just fight it back and own them making them whine and cry over their mom's shoulders or their daddy's money . Backslide and Snap are abused are you so ignorant that you don't want your class to be nerfed since you have a chance to use this against absolutely everyone? Assassin Crosses Backslide throughout the ENTIRE LMS map until their Strip go away or until the end LMS (time limit) OR just until half the map is wiped out since guess what? THEY CANNOT BE STOPPED & they can continue Backsliding to infinity. Champions equally do the same thing. If they're against a Mage based class and have had their shield stripped, the ONLY chance a mage class has to win is absolutely ruined since they cannot catch up. Why not just give every class Backslide, Snap or an evasive skill that can last infinitely in LMS without a delay? Quit thinking about yourself only and quit trying to justify the fact that Snap and Backslide are indeed highly abused during LMS. As I said, enable Basilica or add a delay to Backslide & Snap while keeping Basilica disabled. I'm not even asking for them to be disabled like Basilica was since indeed it's fair for Basilica to be gone from LMS. Nonetheless I'd like to see another class apart from Assassin Cross and Champion win LMS often.
*Kevin* Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 QQ :( . @VapoRun : i dont turn any topic in .. what did you call it ? *I'M SO GOOD I CAN BEAT EVERYONE HUR DUR SO NOTHING NEEDS TO BE CHANGED* , i just state realty , i used/use all jobs , i dont need or want any of them to be powered or nerfed , they are fine as they are even if clown/gypsy might have quite low hp rate indeed . And im sure that if they are fine for me , as they are so for most of players , i dont see a reason to have them nerfed . I dont know who mentioned the time limit in LMS , but GMs already *right click - disconnect* or @kill s who flees from battle for a certain amount of time unless they start being serious , so np .
Zero Posted June 22, 2009 Author Report Posted June 22, 2009 :( . @VapoRun : i dont turn any topic in .. what did you call it ? *I'M SO GOOD I CAN BEAT EVERYONE HUR DUR SO NOTHING NEEDS TO BE CHANGED* , i just state realty , i used/use all jobs , i dont need or want any of them to be powered or nerfed , they are fine as they are even if clown/gypsy might have quite low hp rate indeed . And im sure that if they are fine for me , as they are so for most of players , i dont see a reason to have them nerfed . I dont know who mentioned the time limit in LMS , but GMs already *right click - disconnect* or @kill s who flees from battle for a certain amount of time unless they start being serious , so np . I don't know what to tell you but, shut up. Wow. You can't justify anything you say, you get pointed out for your obvious flaw and then you deny them? They still abuse it regardless when the GMs don't have a visual thus a delay should be added during only LMS if possible. You say you've played every class, but we have no proof and your sentences make no sense....
Empyrean Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 Guys calm down. Stay on topic and please don't start a flame war. If you don't have anything constructive to post then do not post at all. This is a verbal warning.
rinrin Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 Basilica won't really help lms.. Do you really want a priest in there and stand for like 30 minutes just using basilica to win? o.o Wizards can spam icewall and trap the backslider/snap-er but wizards don't usually last that long. Maybe more people should play wizards and profs and show what those classes are really capable of.
Empyrean Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 Thou shalt be forgiven. Now get back to topic.
Zero Posted June 22, 2009 Author Report Posted June 22, 2009 Basilica won't really help lms.. Do you really want a priest in there and stand for like 30 minutes just using basilica to win? o.o Wizards can spam icewall and trap the backslider/snap-er but wizards don't usually last that long. Maybe more people should play wizards and profs and show what those classes are really capable of. Lol I know, but a Basilica is equivalent to a champ Snapping for 30 minutes and an Assassin Cross using Backslide for 30 minutes since they're literally basically untouchable. I was just using it as a comparison.... Ice Wall would be splendid but High Wizards would die against a Champion or Assassin Cross as it is any day.. so that wouldn't really help.. :/
rinrin Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 Lol I know, but a Basilica is equivalent to a champ Snapping for 30 minutes and an Assassin Cross using Backslide for 30 minutes since they're literally basically untouchable. I was just using it as a comparison.... Ice Wall would be splendid but High Wizards would die against a Champion or Assassin Cross as it is any day.. so that wouldn't really help.. :/ Enabling basilica isn't that easy. Anyone can just get a naked priest in there with an fcper and basilica to keep it alive and keep rebuffing themselves throughout the LMS event. I'm not against your idea about stopping snap or backslide but basilica is not a very good equivalent imo. High Wizards are not that useless. You just have to play it properly and be geared decently well. I'm not an expert on the class but I'm sure Icon would be able to pull it off. I'm actually going to try out the class and see how it goes ]: Lol.
Zero Posted June 22, 2009 Author Report Posted June 22, 2009 Enabling basilica isn't that easy. Anyone can just get a naked priest in there with an fcper and basilica to keep it alive and keep rebuffing themselves throughout the LMS event. I'm not against your idea about stopping snap or backslide but basilica is not a very good equivalent imo. High Wizards are not that useless. You just have to play it properly and be geared decently well. I'm not an expert on the class but I'm sure Icon would be able to pull it off. I'm actually going to try out the class and see how it goes ]: Lol. Yeah you got me there about the FCPing stuff and Basilica, but I just mean that it's for the High Priest's invincibility as a single player such as how Theives and Champions have that invincibility. I mean, to make matters worse, Basilica requires catalysts while Backsliding and Snap (Spirit Spheres no longer are required if the Champion is in Fury Mode) don't. High Wizards and Professors can only last long if A) They don't really battle ; B) Are in a heavy citadel of players defending them from enemies & C) Are allowed by a friend to win the LMS round lol... High Wizards and Professors have a vast amount of useful skills that unfortunately cannot be used to their full potential in a High Rate, I've never underestimated the class.
SketchyAngel Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 I'm surprised nobody's even mentioned the fact that champs can asura 3-4 times before you can event hit the ygg button. To be honest, some classes are way overpowered but, there's always a way around these things.
SketchyAngel Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 High Wizards and Professors can only last long if A) They don't really battle ; B) Are in a heavy citadel of players defending them from enemies & C) Are allowed by a friend to win the LMS round lol... High Wizards and Professors have a vast amount of useful skills that unfortunately cannot be used to their full potential in a High Rate, I've never underestimated the class. Well, actually. If you know how to play a Wizard properly, there's a way around GTB.
Zero Posted June 22, 2009 Author Report Posted June 22, 2009 I'm surprised nobody's even mentioned the fact that champs can asura 3-4 times before you can event hit the ygg button. To be honest, some classes are way overpowered but, there's always a way around these things. Which is why I mentioned that boosting up their Asura Strikes & TSS by adding +28% more damage to their calculations shouldn't have been done, yeah, there's a way around it, ganging, playing Champion, Paladin or Assassin Cross. Well, actually. If you know how to play a Wizard properly, there's a way around GTB. Strip Shield, Cloaking & Safety, issue here is, High Wizards always usually die in LMS early. So it's pointless bringing them up really. This thread isn't really about GTB anyways, there's been enough of those in the forums.
rinrin Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 Well High Wizards can last long if the player knows what they're doing o_o.
Zero Posted June 22, 2009 Author Report Posted June 22, 2009 Well High Wizards can last long if the player knows what they're doing o_o. Yeah that's the issue, they wouldn't last long on their own and the players have to be their friend, since if an enemy knows the intentions of a Mage class, then they're more than dead.
*Kevin* Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 I cant understand all this QQing .. really .. LMS is fine as it is , i thought that GMs were given the power to disqualify runners , so no problem with snap or basilica or backslide or jump or icewall and so on . Champs are perfectly fine like this, they need neither a boost nor a nerf . They are strong , if played well , weak if played bad as EVERY single char .
Zero Posted June 22, 2009 Author Report Posted June 22, 2009 I cant understand all this QQing .. really .. LMS is fine as it is , i thought that GMs were given the power to disqualify runners , so no problem with snap or basilica or backslide or jump or icewall and so on . Champs are perfectly fine like this, they need neither a boost nor a nerf . They are strong , if played well , weak if played bad as EVERY single char . LMS is not fine as I said when GMs have no visual, Assassin Crosses and Champions resume abusing their ability to evade by absolutely leaving the enemy's area as soon as the enemy gets an upper hand (Strip, Yggs, etc..) and let's not forget how Champions can TSS, Snap, TSS an enemy as much as they please without letting the enemy approach them (If the enemy is not ranged) while if the enemy is a Sniper, TSS will absolutely annihilate them. The Thanatos Card was altered for them to what GMs thought would be a nerf which actually increased their abilities when wielding the card, the suggestion I did was to lower the %age of the card from 28 to possibly 15% or something. Can a staff member just instantaneously warn this dude if he posts his invalid, offensive points here again?
*Kevin* Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 I am not posting anything *posts his invalid, offensive * as you said , only you cant accept my point of view .. this is your problem not mine . Whenever i do a LMS , GMs disqualify runners so either you get afk GMs or i dont know , so for the third time ( since you seem not to read/understand what i write ) : taking off backslide / snap / ice wall / jump from their jobs , just ruins the jobs themselves , since its a strategy they have to use their own skills . And you'd better calm down and keep your blames for someone else , lol . @VapoRub : :thumbsdown_anim: .
Genesis Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 "@VapoRub : :thumbsdown_anim: ." Is not on topic. Question: #4 Releasing the cards that would actually help Paladins out that you claim to work on BEFORE nerfing the class. Like what? What effect? 30~40% Max HP increase?
*Kevin* Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 I am talking in general , about things that must be done . If when i played things were done in the good way , i'd say that it should be like this always .. which would make of everything better . Simple and clear i'd say . @Genesis : i reply to useless blames . For the rest i am IT .
geldaz Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 From what I see here,you guys have been driving away this discussion to un-powered classes,and well, I'd just like to ask this : How would putting a delay on Snap and Backslide ''boost'' the other classes? I mean,a champion is a champion,switch between Asura and TSS and it's done. If we're going to do changes,lets make some serious ones,for once and for all.
Genesis Posted June 22, 2009 Report Posted June 22, 2009 geldaz: Any changes done should be slow and gradual, giving it time to flow into PvP so we can observe how it affects it.
