Ice pick drop rate 10%

[FD3S]

I have been holding back on my anger of this stupidity. Let me set this straight for you STUPID people. THERE WAS NO BUG ABUSE GET IT STRAIGHT. Genesis already said it was the God Quest. My whole guild did the quest in order from the guides provided on the INTERNET. Go fucking check it out before you accuse people of bug abuse.

We worked fucking hard to get ingredients to do the quest 50 times for Sleipner seal, 50 times for Megingjard seal 50 times for Brisingamen Seal and 100 times for the Mjolnir seal. Go test the thing out b4 you spout nonsense. After the Mjolnir was done 100 times there was no more picks that can come out of it so shut it.

I'm already pissed off that you stupid ppl dont kno how to counter picks and thana like every other server and screw us over who worked hard on this quest and then accuse use of bug abuse.

Yea I may be rude at the moment but you deserve this type of attitude from us. I am accepting what you guys have done, now I would atleast prefer an apology for accusing us of bug abuse and EVEN THINKING of banning us. I will apologize for being rude if i ever get an apology first.

EDIT

For more info:

http://ragnaboards.levelupgames.co.in/lofi...php?t26820.html

Read the first 7 steps b4 the Unlocking Seal of Sleipner. Especially steps 3, 4 and 5.

So yes we did the first 3 seals 50 times each, and so we're already more than pissed about the new updates so dont accuse of us bug abuse.

[Banana Split]

man kiwi you need to stfu, you didnt do shit except for the last part (dwarf fight) what compensation could you friggin ask for? none of the ppl involved in the main quest asked for anything in compensation and this retarded topic started by you is getting new ppl to the server in trouble.

also is this how gms really treat newcomers to the server? we're poor ppl who look for a way to get items to play and you guys get angry at us. if you guys really wanted to stop us, then why didnt you when the first seal broke? or is it the fact your frustrated that you couldnt figure out what we were doing until it was too late? im really confused at why your angry with us zeitgeist

how could this possibly be a bug? if the quest is available on almost every server, where many ppl have access to ice picks as well as other s class weapons for different classes?

the guild has accepted the changes without complaints, i dont understand the reason behind your unnecessary comments zeitgeist. we appreciate not having the picks removed. irrelevantly can you give proof that we complained about a single thing before this post was made? (kiwi being some random, not being associated with us) also if your so damn concerned for the economy, use your power to see how many we have left and leave your comments to yourself.

[iHunt]

if you guys really wanted to stop us, then why didnt you when the first seal broke? or is it the fact your frustrated that you couldnt figure out what we were doing until it was too late? im really confused at why your angry with us zeitgeist

It's because GMs are inactive.

@kiwi, you do. Shut your face if you don't know how to do the quest. You got lucky you got to do it when them lifeless people did the first 200+ quests.

I am just surprised with how dumb people are. If i remember it right, when you open the next seal, it broadcasts some shit all over the server... Only 4 people got it? Lame.

[Zeitgeist]

I have been holding back on my anger of this stupidity. Let me set this straight for you STUPID people. THERE WAS NO BUG ABUSE GET IT STRAIGHT. Genesis already said it was the God Quest. My whole guild did the quest in order from the guides provided on the INTERNET. Go fucking check it out before you accuse people of bug abuse.

We worked fucking hard to get ingredients to do the quest 50 times for Sleipner seal, 50 times for Megingjard seal 50 times for Brisingamen Seal and 100 times for the Mjolnir seal. Go test the thing out b4 you spout nonsense. After the Mjolnir was done 100 times there was no more picks that can come out of it so shut it.

I'm already pissed off that you stupid ppl dont kno how to counter picks and thana like every other server and screw us over who worked hard on this quest and then accuse use of bug abuse.

Yea I may be rude at the moment but you deserve this type of attitude from us. I am accepting what you guys have done, now I would atleast prefer an apology for accusing us of bug abuse and EVEN THINKING of banning us. I will apologize for being rude if i ever get an apology first.

EDIT

For more info:

<a href="http://ragnaboards.levelupgames.co.in/lofi...php?t26820.html" target="_blank">http://ragnaboards.levelupgames.co.in/lofi...php?t26820.html</a>

Read the first 7 steps b4 the Unlocking Seal of Sleipner. Especially steps 3, 4 and 5.

So yes we did the first 3 seals 50 times each, and so we're already more than pissed about the new updates so dont accuse of us bug abuse.

The bug took place when you did the quest over 100 times. As by that, the seal disappears as it should. Alas, no harm will be done to you and the cards that reduce Vit Def were made as a Thanatos' counter, Ice pick just felt as in countered as well. No bans were made because we were the ones testing the quest. At any rate, there is nothing to discuss here. Your Ice Picks won't be removed and the cards was not made because of them.

man kiwi you need to stfu, you didnt do shit except for the last part (dwarf fight) what compensation could you friggin ask for? none of the ppl involved in the main quest asked for anything in compensation and this retarded topic started by you is getting new ppl to the server in trouble.

also is this how gms really treat newcomers to the server? we're poor ppl who look for a way to get items to play and you guys get angry at us. if you guys really wanted to stop us, then why didnt you when the first seal broke? or is it the fact your frustrated that you couldnt figure out what we were doing until it was too late? im really confused at why your angry with us zeitgeist

how could this possibly be a bug? if the quest is available on almost every server, where many ppl have access to ice picks as well as other s class weapons for different classes?

the guild has accepted the changes without complaints, i dont understand the reason behind your unnecessary comments zeitgeist. we appreciate not having the picks removed. irrelevantly can you give proof that we complained about a single thing before this post was made? (kiwi being some random, not being associated with us) also if your so damn concerned for the economy, use your power to see how many we have left and leave your comments to yourself.

I'm not treating anyone incorrectly. Quite frankly, it would just be better for us to delete the Ice Picks and forget about the complains, but we decided to take the bullet for the players. I'm not mad at anyone nor I'll ever will get mad at anything that spurs from a game.

It's because GMs are inactive.

@kiwi, you do. Shut your face if you don't know how to do the quest. You got lucky you got to do it when them lifeless people did the first 200+ quests.

I am just surprised with how dumb people are. If i remember it right, when you open the next seal, it broadcasts some shit all over the server... Only 4 people got it? Lame.

Yeah, let's forget that GMs can have -oh I don't know- three weeks straight of schoolwork plus their jobs? But no, that doesn't matter, right? It's all about doing some events for the people, let alone how tired they are.

P.D. Funny thing is, while I was completely tired, I still decided to make some events while in this period of work.

[drax13]

I still think that the god QUEST to obtain ice pick was a QUEST. Not a bug, bugs are when you get something from nothing. This quest took some people quite awhile. Anyways I was just asking for compensation to see what Id get >.< you cant blame a guy for trying? can you? Anyways ice pick problem was fixed by the Skoll card -40% def.

Thanks Gen. that card was pretty smart ^^, now I might go back to my stalker since things are getting more balanced

But anyways, the whole issue is solved now so this post should be closed :P

[Jevi]

mada mada da ne...

[Genesis]

It's because GMs are inactive.

@kiwi, you do. Shut your face if you don't know how to do the quest. You got lucky you got to do it when them lifeless people did the first 200+ quests.

I am just surprised with how dumb people are. If i remember it right, when you open the next seal, it broadcasts some shit all over the server... Only 4 people got it? Lame.

Do you have a way of viewing which GMs are on and which aren't? I have been on most of this week and we have at least another GM and myself on most of the day. Just because we aren't hanging out around PvP talking and goofing around doesn't mean we are not on.

PS: Zeit said it was a bug because it was not suppose to be enabled, he nor the rest of the Team are angry about this; since it is not the players fault that is the reason we are not punishing anyone. Now if it involved an exploit then things would be different. Nevertheless Ice Pick/Thanatos are good cards, but not as good as they use to be; thanks to the community and their suggestions.

PSS: Some of the God item quests will be edited and made into custom quests.

[FD3S]

Yea okay genesis, you seem to talk a way where your saying what we did was not a bug abuse, however to Zeit, NO ONE did the quest over 100 times. Did you not read the previous posts I made. I said after the Mjolnir quest was completed 100 times it was disabled. Is that a bug? No. Thats the official quest. I already said my guild got 96 ice picks and other ppl got 4. Add that up, its 100... Why dont you go try do the mjolnir quest now go ahead just try it.. You cant can you? Why? Because 100 ppl did it already. And to think you still defend yourself when its quite obvious theres no bug abuse involved at all. I dont really care whether GMs are on or not to see whats going on coz that doesnt matter. We did everything legally and the way it should be done in any server. It's your own damn fault if you didnt want ppl to do this quest and didnt even think of disabling it.

You're too stuck up in your own pride as a GM to admit you were wrong in accusing us of bug abuse and still defend yourself saying we did it over 100 times when you test nothing for yourself nor find any evidence of it. If it could be done over 100 times we'd have over 100 picks ourselves but the damn little boy that starts the quest wont let us do it anymore after it was fully completed. Atleast in other servers there are GMs who actually apologize after accusing someone of something that wasnt true.

[Zeitgeist]

Yea okay genesis, you seem to talk a way where your saying what we did was not a bug abuse, however to Zeit, NO ONE did the quest over 100 times. Did you not read the previous posts I made. I said after the Mjolnir quest was completed 100 times it was disabled. Is that a bug? No. Thats the official quest. I already said my guild got 96 ice picks and other ppl got 4. Add that up, its 100... Why dont you go try do the mjolnir quest now go ahead just try it.. You cant can you? Why? Because 100 ppl did it already. And to think you still defend yourself when its quite obvious theres no bug abuse involved at all. I dont really care whether GMs are on or not to see whats going on coz that doesnt matter. We did everything legally and the way it should be done in any server. It's your own damn fault if you didnt want ppl to do this quest and didnt even think of disabling it.

You're too stuck up in your own pride as a GM to admit you were wrong in accusing us of bug abuse and still defend yourself saying we did it over 100 times when you test nothing for yourself nor find any evidence of it. If it could be done over 100 times we'd have over 100 picks ourselves but the damn little boy that starts the quest wont let us do it anymore after it was fully completed. Atleast in other servers there are GMs who actually apologize after accusing someone of something that wasnt true.

PS: Zeit said it was a bug because it was not suppose to be enabled, he nor the rest of the Team are angry about this; since it is not the players fault that is the reason we are not punishing anyone. Now if it involved an exploit then things would be different.

I think Genesis clarified it all in that post. Personally, I would've find it way obvious if I could obtain an item, that's normally .01% drop rate of only two MvPs with a quest that required characters of level 70 to do it, that it was a bug, but that's just me. The reality of the things is that we all though of applying bans, but we had to take the bullet out of morality. This problem is partly our fault and as such we are willing to work to fix it.

Nevertheless, I've got no "pride" as a Game Master, the only one I've got and need is my pride as a person. I do not fear to apologize, but I only do it when I deem I did a mistake. My post above was not a mistake, the team did take in consideration to apply bans to the involved ones, but we didn't, nor will we take the items away.

I see no further discussion in this thread.

[FD3S]

You see this is why you guys are not thinking clearly. I'm fine with what genesis sez about its not the players fault or whatever. However the fact that whenever you (zeit) reply you keep mentioning "partly our fault" (its all your fault to be exact if u didnt want players to do it) and also the fact that "considered banning the players involved". You dont see the need to apologize? Your post above was correct? Really,... do you have a brain? Your post was full of mistakes. Accusing us of bug abuse and you say there was no mistake? An item that was supposed to drop 0.01%? Get your facts straight from the official server to this server's rates. It should be more than 0.01% here. Its not our fault that we were smart enough to remember the God Quest and worked hard to do it. God Quest maybe easy but it is considerably long just like the stupid forsaken elite quests. 3k hydra cards and such,.. only thing hard is the garm card.

I really do give up on you because you're just going to come back and keep saying how you made no mistake. The only reason why I'm upset is because I'm satisfied that we worked hard for these picks even though its useless now, but atleast I tried to do somethign to progress in the server and all I get is a bullshit GM accusing me of bug abuse and "considering ban".

All I want for you to realise is what we did was no bug abuse, even tho genesis said it you yourself still consider it a bug abuse and also just want you to realise that your actions of considering ban even if its by the whole gm team is the most STUPIDEST thing I have ever heard of. Yea this is just a game I dont really care about what happens to me in the game if I deserver it or whatever. But normally people dont like to be accused of somethign they didnt do and worse to get punishment for it.

So summary, if the picks from god quest is a problem, its not partly the gms fault, its 100% the gms fault so get it straight. You point out from genesis's post and bolded "its not the players fault" yet you just say partly your fault its like saying its partly our fault? You can reply back if you want and close the topic do whatever, since you dont realise your own mistakes you're just a blind man.

PS: Sorry for being rude to you, its just not a nice feeling for false accusation.

PSS: To Genesis, I'm glad that you atleast understand (hopefully) and I'm sorry to you as well because I'm sure you dont like it that I'm arguing against a GM.

[Zeitgeist]

You see this is why you guys are not thinking clearly. I'm fine with what genesis sez about its not the players fault or whatever. However the fact that whenever you (zeit) reply you keep mentioning "partly our fault" (its all your fault to be exact if u didnt want players to do it) and also the fact that "considered banning the players involved". You dont see the need to apologize? Your post above was correct? Really,... do you have a brain? Your post was full of mistakes. Accusing us of bug abuse and you say there was no mistake? An item that was supposed to drop 0.01%? Get your facts straight from the official server to this server's rates. It should be more than 0.01% here. Its not our fault that we were smart enough to remember the God Quest and worked hard to do it. God Quest maybe easy but it is considerably long just like the stupid forsaken elite quests. 3k hydra cards and such,.. only thing hard is the garm card.

I really do give up on you because you're just going to come back and keep saying how you made no mistake. The only reason why I'm upset is because I'm satisfied that we worked hard for these picks even though its useless now, but atleast I tried to do somethign to progress in the server and all I get is a bullshit GM accusing me of bug abuse and "considering ban".

All I want for you to realise is what we did was no bug abuse, even tho genesis said it you yourself still consider it a bug abuse and also just want you to realise that your actions of considering ban even if its by the whole gm team is the most STUPIDEST thing I have ever heard of. Yea this is just a game I dont really care about what happens to me in the game if I deserver it or whatever. But normally people dont like to be accused of somethign they didnt do and worse to get punishment for it.

So summary, if the picks from god quest is a problem, its not partly the gms fault, its 100% the gms fault so get it straight. You point out from genesis's post and bolded "its not the players fault" yet you just say partly your fault its like saying its partly our fault? You can reply back if you want and close the topic do whatever, since you dont realise your own mistakes you're just a blind man.

PS: Sorry for being rude to you, its just not a nice feeling for false accusation.

PSS: To Genesis, I'm glad that you atleast understand (hopefully) and I'm sorry to you as well because I'm sure you dont like it that I'm arguing against a GM.

The drop rate of Ice Picks is .01%. Genesis decided from the very start of this server that it would be harmful to let people get a lot of Ice Picks, but it was not fair to take the item away from the reach of players.

As for the rest of your post: Genesis believes you were naive enough not to realize what you were doing. I don't. I simply don't see a scenario were you wouldn't realize you shouldn't be getting Ice Picks that easy, since the only other two sources have .01% drop rate.

The server does not only depend on the GM team's work. If the players are not willing to cooperate and say: "Hey, there is a flaw here", then we're going nowhere. My whole point in this thread is that this could be prevented if anyone involved in this spoke up instead of continuing to get more easy Ice Picks.

No further actions will be taken as for this issue. My opinions stay.

[FD3S]

I see in other words we're at fault for being smart enough to know about this quest and that you guys are stupid enough to think there is a need for ice picks to be at 0.01%. You guys need to learn how to pvp. I've come from a server where everyone in the server has pick[1], and i mean everyone coz that server drop rate on picks is 100% and no one on that server dies within 2sec or even 5 seconds from pick[1]. And we didnt even need to use Grimtooth daggers. Is it our fault that players on this server were stupid enough to not know how to counter picks and thana and all they can do is raise up their vit and get slaughtered.

Other picks being 0.01% and people who want picks and found a way for it, and we took advantage of a legal quest that gave it,... so what? We should be like "Oh no ppl dont kno how to counter these we shouldnt get them also lets just hunt the 0.01% drop rate from the mvps". All your blabbing about is that how you guys are having problems with your own mistakes + the fact that we actually were smart enough to do this quest. Its more like you guys are upset that 1 guild monopolized the ice picks when other ppl on the server didnt even know about it except 4 others.

Also whats done is done, the main point here is you accused us of bug abuse and I just wanted an apology for that. Now your changing your words to morale issues about we should of realised we shouldnt be getting picks this easily. Yea lets say you were right in what you are saying about the morale issue. Lets say we were wrong that we shouldnt have gotten picks that easily and shouldnt have done it. However I'll drop that entire topic coz what I mainly want to get at is, your still not admitting that you accused us of bug abuse and you think there was nothign wrong with what you said to that point. If you still believe that then oh well cant help it if something that is legal is illegal to you.

PS: you're just being stubborn and you know it as you are gonna just keep ignoring the bug abuse accusation. First post u made = accuse us of bug abuse, 2nd post u made = acuse us of doing the quest more than 100 times, 3rd post you made = using genesis words and ur own and saying that obtaining a 0.01% drop item easily is something you consider a bug (stop using ur own considerations and take things the way it is like we have with the new cards). now your using the excuse of morale issues to escape the fact that you falsely accuse us of bug abuse.

[Zeitgeist]

I see in other words we're at fault for being smart enough to know about this quest and that you guys are stupid enough to think there is a need for ice picks to be at 0.01%. You guys need to learn how to pvp. I've come from a server where everyone in the server has pick[1], and i mean everyone coz that server drop rate on picks is 100% and no one on that server dies within 2sec or even 5 seconds from pick[1]. And we didnt even need to use Grimtooth daggers. Is it our fault that players on this server were stupid enough to not know how to counter picks and thana and all they can do is raise up their vit and get slaughtered.

Other picks being 0.01% and people who want picks and found a way for it, and we took advantage of a legal quest that gave it,... so what? We should be like "Oh no ppl dont kno how to counter these we shouldnt get them also lets just hunt the 0.01% drop rate from the mvps". All your blabbing about is that how you guys are having problems with your own mistakes + the fact that we actually were smart enough to do this quest. Its more like you guys are upset that 1 guild monopolized the ice picks when other ppl on the server didnt even know about it except 4 others.

Also whats done is done, the main point here is you accused us of bug abuse and I just wanted an apology for that. Now your changing your words to morale issues about we should of realised we shouldnt be getting picks this easily. Yea lets say you were right in what you are saying about the morale issue. Lets say we were wrong that we shouldnt have gotten picks that easily and shouldnt have done it. However I'll drop that entire topic coz what I mainly want to get at is, your still not admitting that you accused us of bug abuse and you think there was nothign wrong with what you said to that point. If you still believe that then oh well cant help it if something that is legal is illegal to you.

PS: you're just being stubborn and you know it as you are gonna just keep ignoring the bug abuse accusation. First post u made = accuse us of bug abuse, 2nd post u made = acuse us of doing the quest more than 100 times, 3rd post you made = using genesis words and ur own and saying that obtaining a 0.01% drop item easily is something you consider a bug (stop using ur own considerations and take things the way it is like we have with the new cards). now your using the excuse of morale issues to escape the fact that you falsely accuse us of bug abuse.

I didn't introduce the morale issue because you "didn't think that other players were not smart enough to counter ice picks". I said that you guys should have noticed at any point of doing the quest that it was too easy for you to get such a high amount of Ice Picks, and by that -being responsible players- you would've reported this to the Game Masters instead of continuing repeating the quest. Ice Picks were set to .01% under Genesis' criteria of how would PvP result if just anyone could obtain it, same goes for the Thanatos card.

Seeing the highlighted part of your post, you'll understand my words. As the God Item Quest is designed for a low rated server, not high rated. What took you "one week" -assuming you played the whole week, 24 hours a day hunting the items- takes low rated servers months. Being that you're as "smart" as you claim to be, for any of your arguments to hold true, you were "dumb" enough not to realize it was too easy, hm? I used "smart" and "dumb" loosely on the last sentence, don't start drama over it.

My "babbling", as you call it, is an actual rant as to how players can hurt the server by not doing the right thing. No matter how much you talk me into it, I still believe at least one of you realized at one point from the quest to the selling of the Ice Picks you were getting rare items way too easy. No one alerted us about this and we simply cannot watch over the server 24/7 as if we were watching over little kids.

I won't back off my opinions, whether you like it or not, that's the way I'm seeing this issue.

[iMMo]

I didn't introduce the morale issue because you "didn't think that other players were not smart enough to counter ice picks". I said that you guys should have noticed at any point of doing the quest that it was too easy for you to get such a high amount of Ice Picks, and by that -being responsible players- you would've reported this to the Game Masters instead of continuing repeating the quest. Ice Picks were set to .01% under Genesis' criteria of how would PvP result if just anyone could obtain it, same goes for the Thanatos card.

Seeing the highlighted part of your post, you'll understand my words. As the God Item Quest is designed for a low rated server, not high rated. What took you "one week" -assuming you played the whole week, 24 hours a day hunting the items- takes low rated servers months. Being that you're as "smart" as you claim to be, for any of your arguments to hold true, you were "dumb" enough not to realize it was too easy, hm? I used "smart" and "dumb" loosely on the last sentence, don't start drama over it.

My "babbling", as you call it, is an actual rant as to how players can hurt the server by not doing the right thing. No matter how much you talk me into it, I still believe at least one of you realized at one point from the quest to the selling of the Ice Picks you were getting rare items way too easy. No one alerted us about this and we simply cannot watch over the server 24/7 as if we were watching over little kids.

I won't back off my opinions, whether you like it or not, that's the way I'm seeing this issue.

You can't blame any of us for taking advantage of a "bug" because you left the quest enabled, yet didn't want people to do it. If you didn't want people doing the quest, why not just disable it until you are ready to test it. How is anyone other than the developers supposed to know that they arent allowed to do certain quests if there is no warning from anyone?

I understand why you want to limit the number of ice picks in the server, but do you understand how stupid your position is? WE are at fault for doing a quest that is normally part of the game, that YOU left enabled, and did not disclose to anyone other than possibly the GMs that you did not want done. 2 of the seals were done WHEN GMs were online, and they still did not say anything, yet we are lucky not to be banned?

You can question our intelligence all you want Zeit, but leaving the ice pick quest implemented, and not expecting anyone to do it doesn't say much for how smart you are (especially considering that it's not exactly a quest that is done in secret). Players caught on to it, yet no GMs did and they were online when seals were broken - that's not our fault, thats yours and your GMs. Pretending that you are doing us a favor for not banning us or deleting our items in this ridiculous situation has got to be the most laughable thing I've seen in a while.

[Damascus]

Now let's all go to a convention and make noises of what the video game does with our mouths while dressed like elves and pixies n___________________n

[Zeitgeist]

You can't blame any of us for taking advantage of a "bug" because you left the quest enabled, yet didn't want people to do it. If you didn't want people doing the quest, why not just disable it until you are ready to test it. How is anyone other than the developers supposed to know that they arent allowed to do certain quests if there is no warning from anyone?

I understand why you want to limit the number of ice picks in the server, but do you understand how stupid your position is? WE are at fault for doing a quest that is normally part of the game, that YOU left enabled, and did not disclose to anyone other than possibly the GMs that you did not want done. 2 of the seals were done WHEN GMs were online, and they still did not say anything, yet we are lucky not to be banned?

You can question our intelligence all you want Zeit, but leaving the ice pick quest implemented, and not expecting anyone to do it doesn't say much for how smart you are (especially considering that it's not exactly a quest that is done in secret). Players caught on to it, yet no GMs did and they were online when seals were broken - that's not our fault, thats yours and your GMs. Pretending that you are doing us a favor for not banning us or deleting our items in this ridiculous situation has got to be the most laughable thing I've seen in a while.

The quest was enabled for 24 hours to see how modules progressed with the time, not enough time for the completion of the quest. The other time it was left open was out of our hands. We, as a GM team, do not possibly coincide at any time. However, I'll work on a method to keep every GM posted on any new change done to the server so things like this do not get out of hand.

Seeing this whole issue from an eagle view, I've reached the conclusion you guys do deserve an apology. But while I do accept my mistakes, I hope you don't forget I'm as humane as you are. I've been working too hard these last weeks and it's been completely tiring to try to do GM work after finishing schoolworks and my job. The other Game Masters have been as busy as well to finish these last updates and to continue with the ones we still have due.

While we work hard on these updates, we can't expect them to be perfect unless we test each and every single module after any modification done, which is something quite impossible. That's where I'd like to ask some cooperation from the players of fRO. If you think you're getting stuff too easy, stop and report it.

I'll leave the topic open so anyone involved can read this, and if they want, leave final comments of this. I'll delete the topic in three days.

[iMMo]

The quest was enabled for 24 hours to see how modules progressed with the time, not enough time for the completion of the quest. The other time it was left open was out of our hands. We, as a GM team, do not possibly coincide at any time. However, I'll work on a method to keep every GM posted on any new change done to the server so things like this do not get out of hand.

Seeing this whole issue from an eagle view, I've reached the conclusion you guys do deserve an apology. But while I do accept my mistakes, I hope you don't forget I'm as humane as you are. I've been working too hard these last weeks and it's been completely tiring to try to do GM work after finishing schoolworks and my job. The other Game Masters have been as busy as well to finish these last updates and to continue with the ones we still have due.

While we work hard on these updates, we can't expect them to be perfect unless we test each and every single module after any modification done, which is something quite impossible. That's where I'd like to ask some cooperation from the players of fRO. If you think you're getting stuff too easy, stop and report it.

I'll leave the topic open so anyone involved can read this, and if they want, leave final comments of this. I'll delete the topic in three days.

I guess that resolves the issue. We had only done the quest under the illusion that anything goes and assumed that no one bothered trying to do it 50 times per seal. I think this issue is about resolved now and we should all just move on.

[FD3S]

I understand the need for players to work together with GMs on issues similar to these but a bit worse mainly because I've seen many servers get ruined by players not reporting some things such as duping to GMs. While I do not agree with what you said about Genesis' criteria of how would pvp be if anyone could obtain an ice pick easily (because I think everyone with ice pick is more fair than 2-3 ppl with ice pick / thana), I do support the idea of the new Skoll card.