Millenia Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 C'mon isnt it a bit too much ? Just get 40-50k more hp lol .. How is it a bit too much? o_o;
» Pat Posted May 12, 2009 Author Report Posted May 12, 2009 I know right? You're playing LK/Sinx. You have tons of HP and a huge damage output. How could gypsies be overpowered when they don't have either?
*Kevin* Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 My too much was referred to : Assassin Cross : Enables use of Level 3 Cloaking. [ Gypsy, Clown ] + 30% resistance against Neutral property .
» Pat Posted May 12, 2009 Author Report Posted May 12, 2009 Well this half thread is just about being a 1hitKO from asura so... yeah. Most classes won't notice that anyways because they all use elements to attack so yeah.
Nick Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 Ya but pat you use RSX/GR so that pretty much invalidates you.
Millenia Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 My too much was referred to : Assassin Cross : Enables use of Level 3 Cloaking. [ Gypsy, Clown ] + 30% resistance against Neutral property . Could you explain why that seems too much, though? It's not like it's making the class unbeatable or causing any problems for other classes, 30% reducts vs Champ isn't much for any skilled champs that are full asura. Well this half thread is just about being a 1hitKO from asura so... yeah. Most classes won't notice that anyways because they all use elements to attack so yeah. Yuh, exactly. It just gives more of a chance since most gypsies / clowns use sinx / skoll.
*Kevin* Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 But as you just said .. we arent talking about other classes no ? But about full asura champs :P . I personally think you dont need further upgrades , apart from the HP boost coz in anycase with 1 newly made sinx card and 1 newly made skoll card , you'd die oneshotted in anycase . Only way , with the hp boost , is to wear typical devs / rays :p . All this takes the conclusion --> improve tao for gypsies , not skoll/sinx , like this you will survive happily :) . P.S : Not to mention that the -30% from neutral on sinx card could be abused by wearing 2 , without having the debuff vs elements ( which is why i said my previous *too much* ) .
Millenia Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 But as you just said .. we arent talking about other classes no ? But about full asura champs :P . I personally think you dont need further upgrades , apart from the HP boost coz in anycase with 1 newly made sinx card and 1 newly made skoll card , you'd die oneshotted in anycase . Only way , with the hp boost , is to wear typical devs / rays :p . All this takes the conclusion --> improve tao for gypsies , not skoll/sinx , like this you will survive happily :) . This is about vs other classes, too. We're trying to balance out gypsies by editing most used cards, in cloaks. I know for one Pat uses GR + RSX, this is why I've avoided editing any armor cards because one time WS'd and pow, there goes your hope for survival! It's not too much because in order to survive asura, you NEED skoll in your cloak or you'd get no HP bonus. Ontop of that skoll with decrease even more defense making asura hit harder, this is why I added 30% on sinx card. C'mon, it's not even as much as 2 immunes. It's not OP in any way.
*Kevin* Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 I added a line .. read that too . But i thought the tread was about being oneshotted by full asura champs .
Millenia Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 Wearing 2 sinx cards would not be too much, because once again you'd get no HP boost = K'O! & Devs = Better than 2 sinx cards. It's about other classes too, a class with 130k hp can barely kill alot of classes so yeah.
*Kevin* Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 -60% from neutral is better than -30% / +6% hp . Wouldnt be fair coz you wouldnt get the debuff , no matter how you put it . Against other classes you dont need gr+rsx (apart from palas which in anycase arent such a problem .. if they got fcp you can just spam tarot and hope to kill with av or he can just try to coma/strip/ws you if you dont have fcp ) , you can go for tao+rsx or also tao+tao ( or in certain cases also tao+puppet) , so you wouldnt have only 130k hp >.< .
» Pat Posted May 12, 2009 Author Report Posted May 12, 2009 I don't wear the GR/RSX anymore because I earned some money and was able to affort a second armor, LOL. I get ws'd all day.
Millenia Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 -60% from neutral is better than -30% / +6% hp . Wouldnt be fair coz you wouldnt get the debuff , no matter how you put it . Against other classes you dont need gr+rsx (apart from palas which in anycase arent such a problem .. if they got fcp you can just spam tarot and hope to kill with av or he can just try to coma/strip/ws you if you dont have fcp ) , you can go for tao+rsx or also tao+tao ( or in certain cases also tao+puppet) , so you wouldnt have only 130k hp >.< . Uhm, against sinx I tend to use a certain armor ( in attempt to survive ) and that actually brings me lower than 130k. Yes, we can use other armors, but that isn't the point. The point is we have shit HP. The point is we can get one-shotted by classes. We might aswell be non-rebirth ffs. qq & This isn't a thread about what armor we need to use / how 2 play. Maybe it is better, but we would still have low HP and even with 2 sinx cards a full asura champ would still one-shot us. c:
*Kevin* Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 I don't wear the GR/RSX anymore because I earned some money and was able to affort a second armor, LOL. I get ws'd all day. Well 'd get wsed all day too :p , auto fcp ftw . I am not trying to teach you how to play , but since we are talking about ****HP**** and you said that with gr+rsx you dont have even 130k ****HP**** and added also that you arent talking especially about champs , i reminded you that you dont need to keep gr+rsx vs everyone but cards that increase your ****HP**** so that you wouldnt have only 130k . So back to the point , the hp boost is ok . Make it on tao though and well yeah in case of need .. auto fcp .
Millenia Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 k, I'll enjoy my <160k hp with gr+tao. brb being one-shotted.
*Kevin* Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 So back to the point , the hp boost is ok . Make it on tao though and well yeah in case of need .. auto fcp . :) .
*Kevin* Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 Well .. not like everyone use gypsies either . But everything on the server requires a bit of work to be / have the best , no ?
» Pat Posted May 12, 2009 Author Report Posted May 12, 2009 Just to have it said here, Buff botting is illegal and results in a ban.
*Kevin* Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 My best was towards having fcp .. which you make it sound like something for rich people :) . Yeah PATRICK i know you are poor ! Lol buff boting , i knew of *someone* using it who didnt get banned .. guess who ! Anyways you can open a second client for fcp without having a 3rd program .
Millenia Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 FCP isn't just for rich people... But like I said, not everyone can fcp themselves. I use a laptop and having two clients up can really cause lag; then when I go to close my second client 80% of the time my computer crashes completely. Edit : I'm cool with the HP boost being on tao, aslong as skoll still reduces more defense like I suggested.
*Kevin* Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 I lag too when i open 2+ clients , infact i usually fcp myself some other buffs and then shut the second account down if i have to fight serious people ( coz i'd need to be completely lag-less ) . But we were talking about the HP , werent we ? I think on Tao should do fine .
Millenia Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 Yes we were talking about HP but then you decided to bring up FCPing ourselves.
*Kevin* Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 Just to make up to the lack of rsx on the armor , not make of it a *its or not for rich people* or *i lag,i dont , i lag horribly ... with more clients..* .
