rasko

Oh well, I tried to be constructive but instead of getting anything done it's just been a huge debate. -Edit- K So, I went and rolled a GS with pretty much the same gears and I fucking faceroll nearly everything instantly. All you people saying HW isn't underpowered are either high or haven't played one recently.

welcome back~

How much for the ruck and sinx ?

Mint, I really appreciate the constructive criticism, but do you have any ideas that would BALANCE high wizards. I mean, saying "don't buff this don't, buff that" is all fine but I'd like to hear more solutions from you. You seem like a reasonable person.

+1 even though I haven't killed thana since hocus pocus mvping was popular :P

That was epic. Thanks for the advice, I really appreciate it :D RM seems to not be popular at the moment so everytime I port out I get ganged by 3+ people the second I move, but with this I'll atleast stand a chance 1 vs 1.

What this guy said/

I have an Only fset piece I'm missing is the shield, and getting a wiz highness is lol without 30$ when you're starting from scratch. They sell for like 600-700 tokens.

Ah thanks for clarifying, wasn't trying to be offensive. Seriously though with full gears no way you hit 40-50k on someone. If that was true I wouldn't be complaining, I would be wiping entire groups with SG spam even if it only hit 20k.

I have Pretty good gear and mine hit for 11k-12k so I call bullshit on 40-50k per tick. I'll even link you to my other thread so you can see my equips: http://www.forsaken-ro.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=20383&pid=233450&st=0entry233450 TG doesn't affect spells, we went over this earlier.

So, atm I'm /trying/ to pvp and not having alot of luck. I'm a high wiz here's my stats/gear: Str 51+78 Agi 108+53 (195 aspd) Vit 109+50 Int 300+ 107 Dex 116+ 44 (10 extra for when I switch Fshoes or cloak out) Luk 1+48 Fhelm [2 Kiels] Snowflake Aura [uber Drops] Devil RS [Kiel] Elite Wiz staff [4 Red ferus cards] Fcloak [2 salamander] + Elite Cloak [2 Raydric] FArmor [GR and Tao] Fshoes [2 FBH] + Elite Shoes [2 Green Ferus] Elite Shield [usakoring] 2 ND int belts (Have the money for donation ints but can't find a seller) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Seems everytime I jump into forfild I get mowed down instantly by people hitting me for 25k rapidly, be it arrow vulcan, tomahawk, or double strafe, (lolsinx auto attacks). Professors have a tougher time taking me down since I actually have time to ygg, right now my focus isn't damage, it's just managing to stay alive. I'm stuck with 120k hp "eh" damage and really crappy redux it seems. So, advice?

HP bonus and more damage cards + a SC boost sounds like it would solve alot of the problems I've been having.

The issue here, is that almost every class can hit 20k spammable damage without weapon swapping and without GTB screwing them over, this thread is about HOW TO BALANCE WIZARDS, not how to make due with an underpowered class. There are guides in the guide section for that, as for SG one shotting people, that's a joke. You're bordering on person attacks man, chill out. Bolt spells do crap damage on high wizard, maybe you should try playing the class and testing things out before making bad assumptions? I'll repeat, this thread is about BALANCING A CLASS, not raging because you don't want to get killed by high wizards. Keep it civil.

When you can spam a skill 10 times a second you pretty much kill them instantly. Maybe I just need 4 kiels? I have max ASPD and 3 kiels and still only get 4 casts a second if that. I have epic internet I might add so ping isn't an issue. My point is either SC needs a huge ass buff, or GTB needs a huge ass nerf. Theres no point in weapon swapping because someone swapped to GTB if you won't be able to kill them either way. Let me sum everything up for you: YOU CAN'T KILL PEOPLE WITH A HIGH WIZARD UNLESS THEY ARE AFK OR OUT OF YGGS.

GTB could just nullify spell damage by like 99%, that way hitlock/freeze and other spell effects still go off? @Emir I already tested it and yes stave is pretty spammable, not as spammable as other skills however and also pales in comparison with damage. I've seen tomahawk hit for 14k on myself with a full Fset and Usakoring shield. Stave hits for 2-4k with usakoring on. Setting Stave crasher aside since it obviously blows. We need something to make wizards worth playing. I mean, you can complain about a class that one shots people but we already pretty much have several =\

Well to be fair about the whole TG thing I said "some" spells, such as bolts or less used skills like fireball/thunderstorm. Obviously TG + Storm Gust would be stupid, jumping into forfild and getting triple/quad kills instantly xD

Thanks for the replies guys. Dudu be nice to my seraphine :< I'd also like to point out I didn't know SC was reduced by aspd so I'll look into it, as for "SG one shotting people" Sinx's one shot people with sonic blow, LK's one shot me with bowling bash, tomahawk throw kills people nearly instantly, professors (lol) don't have to say anything here. My point is for a wizard to get a kill in pvp your enemy needs to be A. afk or B. out of yggs. Whereas with other classes it's who can spam faster. I appreciate the ideas for builds and such, but the fact is high wizards ARE underpowered in pvp and I'm looking for ideas to balance them. So try to keep to the discussion with this in mind.

I normally don't play caster classes, last time I played FRO I mained a sniper with a sinx and champ alt. Since renewal came I decided to give wizards a try and they're pretty good. Meteor spam in WoE is solid due to decent DPS and hitlock, it also forces people to swap to GTB dropping their usakoring, so it's a support class as well. My issue is that wizards cannot, literally, CAN NOT, do anything to someone with GTB. Setting GTB aside, our only hard hitting spells are AoE, one causes knockback which effectively removes your enemy from casting range (storm gust) and the second (meteor storm) takes a second or two before it even hits, this not only gives people ample time to run circles around your spells but also just doesn't hold up to tomahawk spam/bolt spam on profs/arrow vulcan/bowling bash and a ton of other skills I could list, but you probably know them. So, I came up with a few solutions which may or may not be liked by the community. A. Stave Crasher has a retarded aftercast, even with 4 kiels it's impossible to truly spam it. To counter GTB lower the aftercast on SC and make it trigger attack effects from cards E.G. Dragoon Warlord, or Divest Armor from Amistr Hat. This would give wizards a way to counter champions, Sinx's etc, while still leaving Snipers and Clowns/Gypsies as powreful counters to the class. B. To counter the low damage output that wizards face in pvp I would suggest making Turtle General Cards affect spells (even if only a few specific ones) for High Wizards alone. I know a few servers nerfed TG effecting Cart termination and the such so I'm pretty sure it can be done. C.Reduce GTB to 70-90% chance to nullify spells, take half damage from spells, or something similar that gives great defense against casters without making you invincible. D.Modify the High Wizard Valkyrie Weapon or create a new one keeping these issues in mind. That's about all I can think of atm, heading to bed. Let me know any ideas you guys have or what would/wouldn't work.

Bump

Obtained by: Event Item Name: Disguise Muffler Description:A muffler worn by Disguise, it's said to grant the user uncanny wisdom. Cost: 20-40 Equipped in: Mid or Lower Headgear slot Defense: 0 Weight: 0 Slots: [1] Stats: Should give +15 Intelligence and possibly enable the user to see stealth enemies (since Disguise is a detector). Honestly it just looks so badass I had to suggest it. It's about time casters got some cool looking gear. Check it the Disguise.

Misclicked, delete please.

Bump!

XD

No problem man. I would have gotten done sooner if I didn't work xD. Sorry for the wait.