sinful7 Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 they should remove that skill for a week and for the people who keep spamming asrua strike put a differnt skillin its place that kills u.
toypupetz Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 Reflect/redux and your good to go. Unless your a Highwizard like me. Lol.
Fusion Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 Every class has it's advantages and disadvantages. Asura can be easily countered. It's annoying sometimes though. Removing it would be unfair towards champs.
Tick Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 The asura is fine, easy to counter, just work hard for the proper cards to help yourself counter that skill...
Amitsu Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 true but i still get owned by asura even with ghostring. i don't like changing equips either
-Insane- Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 Reflect/redux and your good to go. Unless your a Highwizard like me. Lol. Safety wall. As for OP, try devis + usa fshield + gr/tao + fset + vit belts + sacred gold pvp wings. Keke. The most I've done with GR alone was 800k, but I haven't tried with rucksack yet. So 800k / 2 for usa fshield = 400k 400k - devis = 100-200k Sacred gold wings = 90k-180k Kek.
Millenia Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 Safety wall. As for OP, try devis + usa fshield + gr/tao + fset + vit belts + sacred gold pvp wings. Keke. The most I've done with GR alone was 800k, and I haven't tried with rucksack yet. Or fluffywings.
-Insane- Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 put a differnt skillin its place that kills u. Also, how would that be any less cheap? idgi I <3 Sheryl
Groxy Drank Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 i must say that asura is fine (im with Tick about that) and if u look around ull see that the reducts are cheap the hardest part is the elite or F.king set (If u arent a donor its hard) 2 slotted and u just need Ghostring,Devilings, an usakoring and if u want just if u want a tao thats all but if u get stone curse or freeze thats another part of the story just buy a sheep hat :biggrin:
Lucius Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 Full Reductions against Full Asura, you'll still die to the Asura or they will just TSS you. If you wear Reflect, they will damage you enough to kill you but survive for themselves. From personal experience, there is basically no class that can survive Asura to an absolute extent. I don't know if you fight shitty champs or something to think that full reductions or a mere reflect will bring them down.
Groxy Drank Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 yes ua re completely right lucious but ive been playin a GS lately and as u may know the GS have Disarm if u take the champs wep off their asura and TSS damage reduce gradually (depends on the equip lvl and the person) but lets not forget about FCP i must say that when i dont have time to disarm im dead but i think thats ok cuz ifu take asura from a champ that would be unfair is like taking SB from the sinx or Desp from the GS thats cruel man and hard for the class lovers xD
Lucius Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 I never said Asura should be removed from them. All I'm saying is that the skill in general is abusive.
Groxy Drank Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 yeah i know u never said that but i wanted to add it any problem with that just kiddin, btw yes its abusive specially when u have 2 champs ganging u
Frillybum Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 Reflect=Win xD Thats how i do it. I die in the process but it tends to piss champs off that they cant kill you without killing them selves somtimes. If you want to counter a good cchamp you're going to have to put in the effort to learn /bm and get those armor switching buttons learned and memorized xD Other wise having dev's and all anti asura gear will just get you raped with TSS.
Groxy Drank Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 ok thats great the reflect stuff ive tried but if u are laddering at the pvp the last thing u want to do is die so if u reflect u normally die unless u are a full reflect pally or something like that and as everybody know when both dies the champ and the asura welcomer xD u get a kill and a dead so its 1/1 but u if u are good u can fix that killin some1 else
Lucius Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 Reflect=Win xD Thats how i do it. I die in the process but it tends to piss champs off that they cant kill you without killing them selves somtimes. If you want to counter a good cchamp you're going to have to put in the effort to learn /bm and get those armor switching buttons learned and memorized xD Other wise having dev's and all anti asura gear will just get you raped with TSS. That's the issue. Better champions know how to kill you without dying by reflect. :/
Groxy Drank Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 That's the issue. Better champions know how to kill you without dying by reflect. :/ i know some of those guys they are good doin their stuff
Frillybum Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 That's the issue. Better champions know how to kill you without dying by reflect. :/ Well I don't know I think since i've come back 1 champ has killed me without dying(I was in reflect gear). After swtiching builds. After awhile tho if I were to switch my build around im sure he would have died with me xD. I guess getting around it had alot to do with armor switching and having alot of practice with it.
-Insane- Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 Having played a champ for a while personally, saying that asura is overpowered is absolutely ridiculous, seeing as we have about 90k hp in full asura build (prolly 100k with rucksack), and that's with tao. Full asura champs drop so fast it's ridiculous, which is why better champs usually go hybrid. Also, I can't think of a counter to 2xOL. I can't survive my own reflect asura even without gear etc, and I can't FO since they aren't wearing GR, civils play an important role in most of my weps. Plus I only have one fbh on, since I only have one pair of fboots. I still do decent damage (20k-30k) with TSS on people wearing GR, but with shield and orc lords it drops down to about 5k-10k, which is definitely not enough to kill someone. Pure full asura champs (100 vit for status immunity, no more; 2xHollow, fbh/tanee etc.) can deliver insane amounts of damage but they're ridiculously easy to kill. On my clown vs. a full asura champ that could kill me with asura I still won, since he died in 1 or 2 AVs due to having such low HP, they're only really good when they get a devo. But that applies to many chars. :/ tl;dr full asura champs aren't overpowered.
Lucius Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 Having played a champ for a while personally, saying that asura is overpowered is absolutely ridiculous, seeing as we have about 90k hp in full asura build (prolly 100k with rucksack), and that's with tao. Full asura champs drop so fast it's ridiculous, which is why better champs usually go hybrid. Also, I can't think of a counter to 2xOL. I can't survive my own reflect asura even without gear etc, and I can't FO since they aren't wearing GR, civils play an important role in most of my weps. Plus I only have one fbh on, since I only have one pair of fboots. I still do decent damage (20k-30k) with TSS on people wearing GR, but with shield and orc lords it drops down to about 5k-10k, which is definitely not enough to kill someone. Pure full asura champs (100 vit for status immunity, no more; 2xHollow, fbh/tanee etc.) can deliver insane amounts of damage but they're ridiculously easy to kill. On my clown vs. a full asura champ that could kill me with asura I still won, since he died in 1 or 2 AVs due to having such low HP, they're only really good when they get a devo. But that applies to many chars. :/ tl;dr full asura champs aren't overpowered. You just concluded that you were not too good at Champion considering that other Champions can survive full reflect and kill a full reduction. No I'm not flaming, this is a manner of argument.
Kuyuti Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 Honestly at first / When I had nub gears- I thought Asura was overpowered but...... I was fighting a monk- a not so good one on my Sniper and wanted to test dmg so I ran into the pvp room with Usak+ Shield +GR armor and the Asura only did 67k dmg lol.I was impressed... But that is a bad monk. Most bad champs hit a GR armor below 30-40k Now the good Champs is what are overpowered/abusive a bit. Insane said that even with SGWs The damage is still 9-180k. My sniper has 80k HP.....Other classes have lower - even with 100 Vit... Yes I know I could throw in a Tao into my head peice and I'd be fine. But that isn't the point. If you haven't noticed though there are a surplus of Monks- Full Asura monks on this server. You'd know that if you went mvp farming or just simply walked into an mvp room. but anyway I'm sure with 2x dev + usak + full fking + gr + assump + 2xOL would most likely keep you alive vs a Monk.With that being said I reccomd you carry a GTB shield with that build just in case a HW walks up... because well thats just... :suicide_anim: Anyway it shouldn't be taken out maybe the reductions added on to it should be reduced Maybe Asura only gets a 30% bonus from FBH or something really really minor. Because if you do too much Full Asura monks would quit O.o; and Insane 90-100k HP is good amount XP
Lucius Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 FBH weakens your Asura by reducing your SP. ...
Kuyuti Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 I guess it evens out I thought the 50% modifier was more prominent then the sp modifier making FBH more potent than just simply having more sp O.o; Maybe I got that wrong >.>
kuoch Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 YOU KNOW WHAT I SAY! I SAY! Thana tss please :)
