Sensation Posted January 6, 2009 Report Posted January 6, 2009 I can't see how anyone could be against abortion if the person is: - Underaged - Raped/Abused - Unable to give live to the baby and die while giving birth too (2 deaths). Also, morning after pills are indirect abortion, since you know you'd have a baby and then take away the possibility to let the fetus further grow. If you're really twisted, using condoms is preventing to give life to a baby. How far do you want to go to give a meaning to giving life? In the first 3 months a fetus/baby possibly can't be called living yet, if it would come too early and it would die who's responsible then? The mother for not doing an abortion in the early stage? The possibly rapist who might have taken advantage of the person? Uninformed couples using condoms wrong? (yes it's still possible) We humans in general and neither religion should judge about life. If you're religious you should know that judging someone else is like cursing them, it's not up to you. It would be God who would judge their actions, so your opinion shouldn't matter. Justifying your words just because you're religious isn't correct either, read the bible or quran or whatever religious book you're reading, read it again. There always are special cases, and adoption isn't always an option either. People who want to adopt children don't want to go through the pain themselves, instead they buy life from someone who might have died, been raped or whatever and 'help' them that way. That's quite immoral too. These days science has developed enough to aid in getting pregnant, one way or another. But then it's their choice. There are only a few things we can't choose ourselves, life, death (suicide? no, we'd die eventually anyway), and living our lives. Abortion is legal and also is used for wrong reasons, but shouldn't be made illegal because of that. The ones who do use it for a good reason save multiple lives.
Devotion Posted January 6, 2009 Report Posted January 6, 2009 If you think about it, the 10 commandments are in many many other religions. And all 10 rules are common morals (if you're able to have morals). They were just written down, "etched in stone" so to speak. Religion is a way to give people solid guidelines on how to live their life, what's right and wrong, and to give them hope for the afterlife. Do we have to like the way the bible is written? No. Is it the Quran's fault that many who've read the book are now suicide bombers? No. We don't have to like religion. I myself find mass uninteresting and unnecessarily overboard. But some people have the need to cling to something. That might be because they chose it, or maybe they were raised that way. I can also argue that forcing your children towards a religion is immoral, just like abortion might be to some of you. You're brainwashing your children, it's a valid argument. The reality is that most underage girls who get pregnant didn't use protection, and had sex in the moment, or thought that they wouldn't get pregnant; the guy can pull out. Rape, broken condoms, and childbirth problems account for a small percent of abortion cases. Legal abortion is to appease everyone (or try to). If you don't like it, then you don't have to do it. But leave those that want/need to abort alone. If abortion was illegal, people would find ways to do it anyways.
bigbluepen Posted January 6, 2009 Report Posted January 6, 2009 i'm sorry for your loss and how traumatic that time in your life had been, still...my opinion doesn't change. That's how i was risen. Even though yours is a special caze, so you have my sympathy...you can breath ^^ EDIT; i had posted my reason but, i think it's TMI for an online forun... Then again, what does my opinion matters to anyone? ^^" They will keep up living. If you would like to see Michael, you can watch this video that I made for him when he was two... -> I was raised to disagree with abortion as violently as you, but when real life comes up and smacks you in the head, that's just how it goes...
Drakul Envy Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Posted January 6, 2009 Well, I can give a shit less about Jesus, since I'm atheist. just like to add that it disgusts me when pro-life people are pro-death penalty. Puh-lease. Uhm, but when you have a crazy pregnant person living in YOUR house & is MENTAL, tell me how long you can live with that, cause that's what I'm living with right now. <.<
Devotion Posted January 6, 2009 Report Posted January 6, 2009 Well, I can give a shit less about Jesus, since I'm atheist. Uhm, but when you have a crazy pregnant person living in YOUR house & is MENTAL, tell me how long you can live with that, cause that's what I'm living with right now. <.< I don't know your situation, but I do know that when a woman is pregnant, their hormones bounce off the walls. We, as women, have such a hard time controlling that, even the best of us. It's not her fault, really, be a bit more understanding.
Lucius Posted January 6, 2009 Report Posted January 6, 2009 Good thing I don't have to go through all of this..
Drakul Envy Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Posted January 6, 2009 You're one lucky son of a !@#$%
Lucius Posted January 6, 2009 Report Posted January 6, 2009 You're one lucky son of a !@#$% So you're a female? I mean good thing I don't have to go through abortion and child birth, my time when I could have been aborted is passed and I'm alive so with all due respect, sucks to go through this.
Drakul Envy Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Posted January 6, 2009 I can't see how anyone could be against abortion if the person is: - Underaged - Raped/Abused - Unable to give live to the baby and die while giving birth too (2 deaths). THANK YOU.
Devotion Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 If a tree explodes in the middle of a forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound? If An unborn child doesn't know he is a person and is not aware of anything, is it a person? If a man is brain-dead, is he alive? It's all relative.
Kuyuti Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 I Just read the first post and I don't think calling life a mistake :/. I like to think of it as if I was the kid that didn't get a chance to even live before I was murdered. There is no difference between a killer and woman who has aborted her child. True I used to stand on the side of Pro-Choice in the case of rape but now I think of it as what if I was that kid. I wouldn't be here right now. In the end it's just people thinking about themselves again, which I'm sorry is what most Liberals do :/ or at least the literalistic ideas are. Morals are Morals and you could easily destroy your morals by using a needle to kill someone. I don't care what culture you are from Killing is still bad :/ As for the whole Christ deal I am a Christian, not a religion but a bit different I guess you can say. A lot of people have a warped view of Christs and Christians just because of religions. As much as I don't feel like writing a paragraph about why I said that if you would like me to explain myself feel free to question. :D
Crack Baby Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Honestly, I don't understand why thinking of ones self is wrong. So many people are "in the shit" because they DIDN'T think of themselves or put themselves first for some time. Hell, I'm in debt $10k because I didn't put myself first, and I am paying the price for it now, which really freaking sucks. I can't lease a car, I can't even lease an apartment because my credit is so bad and that's not going to change until I pay it off (which will be a while since I am a full-time student and I work full-time) And life is relative. I think about it like this, if the fetus can't be placed in an incubator to survive outside of the mother, can't breathe on it's own etc, I don't consider it more than a parasite. I'm sure people would disagree with me on this, but I don't really care. Having an abortion is murder. So what is using condoms? Or birth control? Or having your tubes tied? People do take precautions when having sex, but sometimes accidents happen. Maybe this is TMI but, when I was pregnant, with twins no less I was the most depressed I'd ever been in my life. It was a fluke and I fell into that .01% of failed birth control. I'd hate to think where me and my kids would be right now if I'd kept them, no doubt I'd be on state aid and not in college at all because my family wouldn't have been able to willing (or willing for that matter)
Sorrow Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 If you would like to see Michael, you can watch this video that I made for him when he was two... -> I was raised to disagree with abortion as violently as you, but when real life comes up and smacks you in the head, that's just how it goes... We learn things everywhere. Things like abortion are so far away from my world that i really didn't have any deep thought about it until i came across this topic which gave insight into it. Still i find it an horrible thing...but now i see that it might be an horrible thing that prevents an even worse one occasionally. i'll reformulate my statement; "People who kill their own child for selfish reasons don't deserve the air they breath" Now that sounds a lot better huh? i think the first one was a bit too general and vague... ^^" BTW Michael is cute and looks lively too :3
Drakul Envy Posted January 7, 2009 Author Report Posted January 7, 2009 Michael is cute, don't get me wrong. But I honestly think people shouldn't be yelled at cause there like "OMGAD I WANT ABORTION" "NO ITS A SIN FKUAR"
bidoof Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 You're one lucky son of a !@#$% Lucky? I'm not so sure it's luck so much as not putting one's self in the situation in the first place.
Sorrow Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Well Vapo, my opinion is passive to changes depending how much insight i get on a matter. Like when i saw this topic my first impression was slightly...wrong. Your argument along with bigbluepen's gave me valuable insight in the matter and i changed my mind about part of my opinion. i keep an open mind, i show my sightspot, you show yours, and based on what you say and how you say it, i can easily change my previous sightspot, one that is nearer yours or maybe even start to share your sightspot. i don't think keeping a close head to everything is benefitial, specially regarding intolerance. And by the way, to me the value of a life is measured by the actions of its vessel, a criminal/murderer is better of not living(depending on the conditions of the crime), but an incoming baby hold potential to do great good or evil, but preventing that life to prove its value even before they are born with no greater reason for that is just wrong. So abortion when for greater good is tolerable and death penalty perfectly usable when proven guilty. Also, everyone makes judgements of other people to make decisions like wether or not trust someone, anyone who says a person can't judge others is just an hypocrite. This topic involves ethic and morals so i guess everything gets connected in the end...
Lucius Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Everyone is destined to die. "We have no right to choose when someone should die" But hey, tons of Jews died to Nazi. They certainly chose their death. In other words, kill the fetus. They're not even fully developed so they don't know what the hell is going on.
» Pat Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Did you just try to warrant pregnancy abortion by the fact Hitler killed millions of people for no reason?
Lucius Posted January 7, 2009 Report Posted January 7, 2009 Did you just try to warrant pregnancy abortion by the fact Hitler killed millions of people for no reason? Well, I just tried to justify the fact that people in fact can have their destiny chosen by another. Don't get me wrong, I don't like what Hitler did, but the holocaust is a perfect example of a genocide cause by the desires of 1 person.
Drakul Envy Posted January 8, 2009 Author Report Posted January 8, 2009 Dude get out of this topic unless you don't stay on topic. Don't get me wrong, I don't like what Hitler did, but the holocaust is a perfect example of a genocide cause by the desires of 1 person. What does that have to do with abortions?
