Abortions & Christ Stupidty.

[Drakul Envy]

I honesty am for Abortions

And I will tell you why:

Say your like 14 and you got knocked up, you're getting thrown out of your moms house. You're obviously going to be crawling back. I just don't really see why its considered a "sin" to get rid of you're mistakes.

True Insider:

Abortion has a long history and has been induced by various methods including herbal abortifacients, the use of sharpened tools, physical trauma and other traditional methods. Modern medicine utilizes medications and surgical procedures to induce abortion. The legality, prevalence, and cultural views on abortion vary substantially around the world. In many parts of the world there is a divisive public debate over the ethical and legal aspects of abortion between the pro-life and pro-choice movements. The approximate number of induced abortions performed worldwide in 2003 was 42 million, which declined from nearly 46 million in 1995.

-Credits to wikipedia.com-

I honestly think Christ is BULLSHIT. And thats why I'm for Abortions myself.

[Sorrow]

i'm not a religion fanatic...but i wouldn't give a cent as the value of someone who kills their own child.

Some say "It's my body i do whatever i want with it!" and "it's gonna be a bother to me!". News flash; there's an innocent life inside you now, you have no right to end that. It's the same thing as assassinate someone because they're a bother.

Abortion>Assassination. There's no difference, you're robbing an innocent life of their future.

Tho, i'm all in for death penalty. Some people are better off not living, but we're talking about a criminal not a defenseless baby.

[Drakul Envy]

i'm not a religion fanatic...but i wouldn't give a cent as the value of someone who kills their own child.

Some say "It's my body i do whatever i want with it!" and "it's gonna be a bother to me!". News flash; there's an innocent life inside you now, you have no right to end that. It's the same thing as assassinate someone because they're a bother.

Abortion>Assassination. There's no difference, you're robbing an innocent life of their future.

Tho, i'm all in for death penalty. Some people are better off not living, but we're talking about a criminal not a defenseless baby.

And these are 9 reasons why Abortion is legal.

1. Laws against abortion kill women.

To prohibit abortions does not stop them. When women feel it is absolutely necessary, they will choose to have abortions--even in secret, without medical care, in dangerous circumstances. In the two decades before abortion was legal in the U.S., it's been estimated that nearly 1 million women per year sought out illegal abortions. Thousands died. Tens of thousands were mutilated. All were forced to behave as if they were criminals.

2. Legal abortions protect women's health.

Legal abortion not only protects women's lives, it also protects their health. For tens of thousands of women with heart disease, kidney disease, severe hypertension, sickle-cell anemia and severe diabetes and other illnesses that can be life-threatening, the availability of legal abortion has helped avert serious medical complications that could have resulted from childbirth. Before legal abortion, such women's choices were limited to dangerous illegal abortion or dangerous childbirth.

3. A woman is more than a fetus.

There's an argument these days that a fetus is a "person" that is "indistinguishable from the rest of us," and that it deserves rights equal to women's. On this question, there is a tremendous spectrum of religious, philosophical, scientific and medical opinion. It's been argued for centuries. Fortunately, our society has recognized that each woman must be able to make this decision, based on her own conscience. To impose a law defining a fetus as a "person," granting it rights equal to or superior to a woman's--a thinking, feeling, conscious human being--is arrogant and absurd. It only serves to diminish women.

4. Being a mother is just one option for women.

Many hard battles have been fought to win political and economic equality for women. These gains will not be worth much if reproductive choice is denied. To be able to choose a safe, legal abortion makes many other options possible. Otherwise an accident or a rape can end a woman's economic and personal freedom.

5. Outlawing abortion is discriminatory.

Anti-abortion laws discriminate against low-income women, who are driven to dangerous self-induced or back-alley abortions. That is all they can afford. But the rich can travel wherever necessary to obtain a safe abortion.

6. Compulsory pregnancy laws are incompatible with a free society.

If there is any matter which is personal and private, then pregnancy is it. There can be no more extreme invasion of privacy than requiring a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. If government is permitted to compel a woman to bear a child, where will government stop? The concept is morally repugnant. It violates traditional American ideas of individual rights and freedoms.

7. Outlaw abortion, and more children will bear children.

Forty percent of 14-year-old girls will become pregnant before they turn 20. This could happen to your daughter or someone else close to you. Here are the critical questions: Should the penalty for lack of knowledge or even for a moment's carelessness be enforced pregnancy and child-rearing? Or dangerous illegal abortion? Should we consign a teenager to a life sentence of joblessness, hopelessness and dependency?

8. "Every child a wanted child."

If women are forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term, the result is unwanted children. Everyone knows they are among society's most tragic cases, often uncared-for, unloved, brutalized and abandoned. When they grow up, these children are often seriously disadvantaged, and sometimes inclined to brutal behavior toward others. This is not good for children, for families or for the country. Children need love and families who want and will care for them.

9. Choice is good for families.

Even when precautions are taken, accidents can and do happen. For some families, this is not a problem.

But for others, such an event can be catastrophic. An unintended pregnancy can increase tensions, disrupt stability and push people below the line of economic survival. Family planning is the answer. All options must be open. At the most basic level, the abortion issue is not really about abortion. It is about the value of women in society. Should women make their own decisions about family, career and how to live their lives? Or should government do that for them? Do women have the option of deciding when or whether to have children? Or is that a government decision?

Credits to livestrong.com

[CombatMuffins]

I didn't bother reading anything but, in the end underage birth is never good. I'd rather commit a sin and do good to overlook it, instead of taking the "ruin my life" route.

And I just bought morning after pills the other day, does that fall under same boat?

(FUCK 50-60$s out of my wallet)

[Lucius]

Maybe those girls should stop having sex at a young age and should start walking around with knives...

Then again, my girlfriend is just 1 year younger than me and I'd hate to stop having sex with her.

[Sorrow]

And these are 9 reasons why Abortion is legal.

Well Drakul my vision is pure Ethical and not Legal. i couldn't care less about what the govern thinks, legal or not, the option still belongs to the couple.

i just said that in my books these people aren't worth the air they breath if they choose to kill their own child.

[Cirrus]

Not saying that Christ is stupid, but

But it's a different world now. There can be so many other ways to be ethical and save/preserve lives of people.

Unfortunately abortion as an illegal act being ethical does not help at all. As Drakul has quoted. I haven't read those stuff before but it's common sense to think of them, I know I have.

As for the value of a person... I don't really care if someone has an abortion as long as their life is and is continuing to be good. Just think of their own conflicts, of course there will be the guilt.

[Drakul Envy]

Yeah I just hate HOW CHRISTIANS ARE THO.

They voted to iliegalize condoms, and tons of people got AID's.

Half of those people where pregnant.

[Drakul Envy]

Maybe those girls should stop having sex at a young age and should start walking around with knives...

Then again, my girlfriend is just 1 year younger than me and I'd hate to stop having sex with her.

Isn't she like 13?

[Sorrow]

Well then again i wouldn't vote to ilegalize abortion if ever there was an election about it, as i said it's their choice. Making it ilegal only causes problems and casualties. It brings more problems than solutions.

Don't change the fact people who do this would be waste of bones and organs if they did tho...

[» Pat]

If they're true christians, they should know, jesus forgives any sin if you truly regret it.

No, I'm not a Christian, I'm an agnostic.

[Lucius]

Isn't she like 13?

Do you think I'm 14?

[Lucius]

Abortion should be legal though.

I mean, guys are animals out there, they rape girls and they wouldn't wear condoms. So if the girl gets pregnant because of the rape, then it shouldn't be her burden since she couldn't help it.

The baby would have died in 80 years or so anyways.

[iRawr]

Why not just adopt. Your not killing and innocent life. You dont have to worry about your baby. Someone that cant have babies has a chance to be a mother/father.

Abortion is stupid.

[Lucius]

Why not just adopt. Your not killing and innocent life. You dont have to worry about your baby. Someone that cant have babies has a chance to be a mother/father.

Abortion is stupid.

Child birth hurts and some people don't believe in selfless-sacrifice.

[iRawr]

Dont you still go through child birth if you get an abortion. Its just a dead baby that comes out not a livig one?

[bidoof]

If they're true christians, they should know, jesus forgives any sin if you truly regret it.

Regret isn't really the best word to be used in this context, it just doesn't sound right, but I can't think of a better word to put in place of it at the moment.

I happen to think a woman should be able to make decisions about her own body, but a lot of people like to argue that you're not just deciding for yourself in that case; you're deciding for another life instead whether or not they should live.

[Lucius]

Don't you still go through child birth if you get an abortion. It's just a dead baby that comes out not a living one?

I wouldn't know, I can't have a baby. I'm a guy.

I'm still with abortion. If I get my girlfriend pregnant by accident and she'd want an abortion, I wouldn't go against her since none of us would be ready to raise the baby.

[iRawr]

Im pretty sure you still have to have the baby. Wich in that case I think it would be better to adopt it. Better to go through the pain and give someone something they cant have than go through all that pain and get nothing for it incept a lifless baby.

o.o"

[Lucius]

I'm pretty sure you still have to have the baby. Which in that case I think it would be better to adopt it. Better to go through the pain and give someone something they cant have than go through all that pain and get nothing for it inept a lifeless baby.

o.o"

As I said, some people don't believe in selfless-sacrifice.

It's reality, some people don't really give two shits about others so they just, do themselves.

Because not everybody could agree in one choice, abortion should be legalized since hell, better kill the baby legally than illegally.

[Cirrus]

O ya Vapo beat me to what I wanna say ;_;

Abortion is not exactly child birth. I did watch this educational video about abortion and was all AWW poor thingy and it's not a dead baby that comes out (doing the legal less than three months I think abortion.) More like, nah you get the picture.

Well, I still think, 2 problematic lives (unprepared mother and unwanted child) is worse than having the guilt (or no guilt at all ^.^) of a woman who has had an abortion.

[Crack Baby]

No, you do not go through child birth when you have an abortion.

You start your period, but by that time the fetus has already been extracted [surgical]. Unless a medical method is used which uses medications to extract the fetus, but at 12 weeks the fetus is about the size of a kidney bean.

And I don't think any type of menstrual cramping could compare to actual childbirth.

Abortion should remain legal, either you are for it, or you aren't, either way, the option for those to use medically supervised abortion as a means of terminating pregnancy should not be taken away.

Even being pregnant with a child is expensive (unless you are ok with running the risk of having something extremely wrong with your or your child and not knowing about it) doctors visits (which I believe are every two weeks, I could be wrong and I'm sure this varies) without medical insurance is a bitch, and for some of us, the last thing we want to do is jump on government aid to be judged further.

And for some of us, we would prefer to not have a child we are just going to give away. Really, there is a reason why there is a time limit on when it is "ok" to have an abortion, many states won't perform an abortion after 12 weeks unless there is possible harm to the mother (or child). If you look at the statistics, the MAJORITY of abortions are performed before the 12 week mark.

I'm ok with abortion as long as it is done within those 12 weeks AND the guidelines set by my government (in the U.S) as of right now.

No one should use abortion as a means of birth control, but it seems to be a popular thought that the majority of women who do undergo abortion have done just that, when it isn't the case.

Did you ever stop to think that nothing is 100% effective at preventing pregnancy other than abstinence? And even that fails if you throw non-consensual sex into the ring.

I did not intend to write this much. Sorry.

[Crack Baby]

As I said, some people don't believe in selfless-sacrifice.

It's reality, some people don't really give two shits about others so they just, do themselves.

Because not everybody could agree in one choice, abortion should be legalized since hell, better kill the baby legally than illegally.

Since when is something completely dependent on a host more important than the host? Especially when the parasite does nothing positive to the hosts body? What are the benefits of an unwanted pregnancy. Please tell me facts and not things based on morals. How does this benefit the mother or the (eventual) child?

Do you know that a mothers emotions during her pregnancy have a direct impact on the attitude the child has? So if resentment and depression and insurmountable stress are experienced for the length of the pregnancy, do you think this will have a positive effect on the child?

Sorry for the double post.

[bigbluepen]

i'm not a religion fanatic...but i wouldn't give a cent as the value of someone who kills their own child.

Some say "It's my body i do whatever i want with it!" and "it's gonna be a bother to me!". News flash; there's an innocent life inside you now, you have no right to end that. It's the same thing as assassinate someone because they're a bother.

Abortion>Assassination. There's no difference, you're robbing an innocent life of their future.

Tho, i'm all in for death penalty. Some people are better off not living, but we're talking about a criminal not a defenseless baby.

Now that I know how you feel about me, let me see if I can change your mind.

I had my son at the age of 19. I am now 24. I was told when I had Michael, that if I had any more children, it would very likely kill me and the baby both, based on how hard a time I had keeping Michael inside me until he was big enough to breath on his own. I was on enforced bed rest from 5 months onward, I received steroid treatments in both of my thighs to boost Michael's lung development, and I still had him a month early. I got very lucky - he was 5 lbs and 2 ounces at birth, just 2 ounces over the minimum to not be put in an incubator. Michael's weak lungs left him susceptible to rheumatic fever, which he picked up at 13 months old. Now, every year like clockwork, Michael picks up bronchitis at least 3 times each winter, and if he is not monitored very closely during that time period, he stops breathing in his sleep, when he might have had no symptoms even 2 hours prior.

And how was I affected by that pregnancy? My monthlies now come hard and fast, and leave me very weak. I lose about a pint of blood a day, I am incredibly prone to ovarian cysts, and I have not been able to reverse the anemia I developed during my pregnancy with Michael, even in four years.

When I was 23, I got pregnant because someone who I thought was a friend took advantage of my depression during my custody case for Michael. He got me drunk, waited till I passed out, and when I woke up, he was just finishing up. (I doubt any other details are necessary.) Three weeks later, I was throwing my guts up, with incredibly horribly intense cramping. Half-sure but not wanting to overlook anything, I had Michael's father drive me to the ER, where they told me I was pregnant. Two weeks later, I aborted.

Setting my health issues aside for a moment, lets step over to the aforementioned custody case. CPS was involved, and had removed Michael from both me and the person who was fighting me, because he had assaulted me during a custody exchange. What would have happened if I had the baby, only to have CPS take not only the newborn, but decide to keep Michael in the system and terminate my rights?

I did what I had to do, to make sure my son continued to have a mother who could be around him to take care of him, and for myself, to make sure that I stayed healthy. If this was too much information for you, I'm sorry, but even though I once thought I could never terminate a pregnancy, I know for certain now that if something happens again, I will do it again, for Michael's sake above my own. (This does not mean I do not take precautions, obviously. I still had to be on 24 hour medical watch with my anemia, after the termination.) I have a beautiful, wonderful, sweet child who was not spoiled by the trauma and drama that surrounded him for the first 3 and a half years of his short little life, and I'm very grateful for him. I won't take myself out of his life because of someone else's morals, or even my own, for that matter.

It's a woman's choice, yes. There are better options for people who just want to keep partying, yes. But abortion is not necessarily evil, wrong, or immoral.

[Sorrow]

At the same time, the ability to choose abortion is also HEALTHY. The "motto" (if you will) for all of Catholic teaching is "choose life." Scenario (true story) : a woman is pregnant with her third child. Her first two pregnancies were complicated, she has a condition where her blood pressure rises while pregnant and rises even MORE significantly while she is giving birth. When delivering the baby, she could possibly have a stroke, not only killing herself, but also the baby. To compound that, the difficulties with her first two pregnancies lend herself to this pregnancy also being difficult. Testing shows that the child's medulla (the lower stem of the brain, the center for involuntary functions such as breathing) is growing into it's throat and that it will also have other mental and physical problems. Are you telling me that this woman, who: 1) could've died while giving birth (leaving a widower and two children) and 2) would've lost the baby within moments of birth, doesn't deserve to breathe? And in what part of keeping the baby is she choosing life?

Now that I know how you feel about me, let me see if I can change your mind.

I had my son at the age of 19. I am now 24. I was told when I had Michael, that if I had any more children, it would very likely kill me and the baby both, based on how hard a time I had keeping Michael inside me until he was big enough to breath on his own. I was on enforced bed rest from 5 months onward, I received steroid treatments in both of my thighs to boost Michael's lung development, and I still had him a month early. I got very lucky - he was 5 lbs and 2 ounces at birth, just 2 ounces over the minimum to not be put in an incubator. Michael's weak lungs left him susceptible to rheumatic fever, which he picked up at 13 months old. Now, every year like clockwork, Michael picks up bronchitis at least 3 times each winter, and if he is not monitored very closely during that time period, he stops breathing in his sleep, when he might have had no symptoms even 2 hours prior.

And how was I affected by that pregnancy? My monthlies now come hard and fast, and leave me very weak. I lose about a pint of blood a day, I am incredibly prone to ovarian cysts, and I have not been able to reverse the anemia I developed during my pregnancy with Michael, even in four years.

When I was 23, I got pregnant because someone who I thought was a friend took advantage of my depression during my custody case for Michael. He got me drunk, waited till I passed out, and when I woke up, he was just finishing up. (I doubt any other details are necessary.) Three weeks later, I was throwing my guts up, with incredibly horribly intense cramping. Half-sure but not wanting to overlook anything, I had Michael's father drive me to the ER, where they told me I was pregnant. Two weeks later, I aborted.

Setting my health issues aside for a moment, lets step over to the aforementioned custody case. CPS was involved, and had removed Michael from both me and the person who was fighting me, because he had assaulted me during a custody exchange. What would have happened if I had the baby, only to have CPS take not only the newborn, but decide to keep Michael in the system and terminate my rights?

I did what I had to do, to make sure my son continued to have a mother who could be around him to take care of him, and for myself, to make sure that I stayed healthy. If this was too much information for you, I'm sorry, but even though I once thought I could never terminate a pregnancy, I know for certain now that if something happens again, I will do it again, for Michael's sake above my own. (This does not mean I do not take precautions, obviously. I still had to be on 24 hour medical watch with my anemia, after the termination.) I have a beautiful, wonderful, sweet child who was not spoiled by the trauma and drama that surrounded him for the first 3 and a half years of his short little life, and I'm very grateful for him. I won't take myself out of his life because of someone else's morals, or even my own, for that matter.

It's a woman's choice, yes. There are better options for people who just want to keep partying, yes. But abortion is not necessarily evil, wrong, or immoral.

i'm sorry for your loss and how traumatic that time in your life had been, still...my opinion doesn't change. That's how i was risen. Even though yours is a special caze, so you have my sympathy...you can breath ^^

EDIT; i had posted my reason but, i think it's TMI for an online forun...

Then again, what does my opinion matters to anyone? ^^" They will keep up living.