Should we get an 18+ Sub-Forum?

[Devotion]

I LOL'd through this entire thread XD

Genesis: So in conclusion Ryoji, you just want an excuse to post your naked picture.

Ryoji: Are you making a request?

Genesis: You know it.

You know this can be solved very easily...Ask Genesis for a guild subforum, and invite all the people whom you know are 18+ and who are cool, and have fun.

I'm invited....right?

right?.......

[Icarus]

LOL

That was ours first idea,to make a sun Guild forum xD

[L2Aim]

Guild (sub)forums aren't direct controlled, it's in the hands of the guild leader really what's going on, what's too much and what not.

"Proud to be pervert" (Just some humor, nothing bad intended) would be a fitting guildname for people if they would seriously make a guild for people who are 18 years old or older.

Of course, you'll have to apply some rules, but those are up to you, just be responsible imo.

All I have to say about the idea 'pro' towards this suggestion/poll.

[Tick]

Whats to stop a 10 year old from clicking " Yes, I am 18 or above", then going to their mother and explaining what they saw.

I want to be that 10 year old snooping around!

[Eregon]

Guild (sub)forums aren't direct controlled, it's in the hands of the guild leader really what's going on, what's too much and what not.

"Proud to be pervert" (Just some humor, nothing bad intended) would be a fitting guildname for people if they would seriously make a guild for people who are 18 years old or older.

Of course, you'll have to apply some rules, but those are up to you, just be responsible imo.

All I have to say about the idea 'pro' towards this suggestion/poll.

You're assuming that porn is the only good thing about being 18+, like everyone else is. It's not. Being 18+ allows you to legally own your shit. Before you become 18+ nothing of yours, is legally yours. It belongs to your parents or legal guardians. When you turn 18, it actually is yours. You also can't sign any contracts on anything until you're 18. Meaning, you can't buy a house, apartment, car or anything that requires signing a contract. There are seriously tons of good things about becoming 18, and everyone always looks at just porn. Stop. It's not even close to the best thing -__-

[Eregon]

When are mortgages a good thing?

[Eregon]

I'm not implying anything. I'm saying what I mean, straightforward. It's only hectic if you allow it to be. If you know how to manage your stuff and your money, buying your stuff isn't hectic. On an 18+ sub forum you could talk about your favorite liquor, you're political standing, your religions, without interference from a crowd of 10-15 year olds that have no idea what they're talking about, but pretend to. It's more of a place for serious discussion about everything, than it is for JUST 18+ material. Honestly, how many 10-15 year olds are there, that play online games, who can hold an intelligent mature conversation about religion, and know what they're talking about? In my years of playing MMO's, not many.

And no, it isn't "surprising", it's just stupid to assume that 18+ always means porn. However, I suppose that's what our world society has come to. Porn = everything. -_-

[Shield]

Should members that are 18+ get a sub forum where they discus and post 18+ material from different subjects?

I think we deserve a place where we could do and talk about stuff that are illegal on the rest of the forum.This way there will be a place where we could act suitable to our age and not be tied up to the rest of the forum =]

If you don't want to be monitored simply use the guild sub-forums.

If you want to share porn simply use PM's or any messenger system.

If you don't want to ''be tied up to the rest of the forum'' use these first two choices.

If you want to talk about religion, alcohol or any of those other things mentioned use

the rant or assorted sections.

If you just can't stand underaged people, remember that you were once the underaged

person that you're referring to now.

[L2Aim]

Lazy to quote.

Eregon, as you may have noticed(probably not since you went in so well quoting without seeing the text I put behind the words like I am now).

Sarcasm, that's what it's called.

Being 18(and or older), isn't that great, having to pay everything, being responsible for everything you do, harder punishments and a lot more things are starting to weight as you turn 18.

Yes in some countries you can drink things(beer etc) as soon as you're 16 and liquor when you're 18, yes you can drive cars when you turn 16/18 (country dependable too).

But doing that also brings a lot of responsibility, I'd rather be younger again (perhaps 18 or younger), since it's so much better.

No 18+ things ain't pornographic only, but what things are entitled 18+ on the internet?

The 2 things I can come with is Gore and Porn.

Games with too much blood, horror and other 'terrible' things, parts of the body revealed and exposed.

Yet these things happen in life, people do it for the kick, are interested in those things or simply perverted and can't live without it.

Conversations about any subject shouldn't be in an '18+' section, you all are forgetting that those with a younger age have a different look towards things, our minds are more educated, but also more tainted.

Young people are most of the time a bit more honest, but they can also learn from the older ones.

And the most important part, we can learn from the younger ones.

Don't prevent people from joining something, they will find their ways in.

If something is illegal or prohibited it's more of a kick to join it, just because it's harder.

Even if it would have pornographic content, it doesn't mean that it will be used for bad things.

Ever saw your biology book? In there are drawings of naked men and women, it's educational in a way.

If you want to discuss things, then do so, don't gather up in some secret place where only a small amount of people have access to.

In short, don't get me wrong, read(well) before you reply.

[Eregon]

I didn't group all the players into one mob. I grouped 10-15 year olds into that mob. I know some here are capable of holding intelligent conversations. I also know that many 16-17 year olds can do the same. I even said that very few 10-15 year olds can. I never once stated that all people under the age of 18 are stupid and can't hold an intelligent conversation. You're assuming my words when I'm stating everything I mean clearly. Stop it.

People have tried to make them, they then get corrupted by people without the intellect to continue them and turn into flame wars. Just because a new subforum is created doesn't mean it has to be super active as all hell. A few threads here and there, about serious discussions would be sufficient. Also, its not the easiest thing in the world to roll over a person who's post was absolute nonsense and will most certainly come back to spew more of it. In the sub forum, as I said in a previous post, it could be made to not allow pornographic material, and delete any posts that had nothing to do with the topic at hand. Don't pretend like there isn't going to be regulation. There could and would be lots of it.

This forum is meant for all of our players, I don't see why anyone should be sectioned off.

Then why do we have guildforums? GM forums? Why can players not see other Tickets, or see the GM Reviews? That right there is sectioning off our players. You being a part of that team is promoting it, not fighting it. Don't contradict yourself, it doesn't look good on ya.

[Icarus]

If you don't want to be monitored simply use the guild sub-forums.

If you want to share porn simply use PM's or any messenger system.

If you don't want to ''be tied up to the rest of the forum'' use these first two choices.

If you want to talk about religion, alcohol or any of those other things mentioned use

the rant or assorted sections.

If you just can't stand underaged people, remember that you were once the underaged

person that you're referring to now.

It was like a week ago XD

[Aeris Gloris]

When will the poll end? qq

[Eregon]

L2Aim

I know that younger people have a different outlook on things and that we can learn from them. However, most of those young kids fall under the category of being intelligent enough to hold a well thought out conversation. My experience on these forums, we lack those kinds of young people. In my belief of the 18+ sub forum, its more of a place where people can discuss ANYTHING but in a way that is more in-depth and more thought out. Not just a bunch of one-liner posts.

If a 16 year old has the maturity level and intellect to hold a well thought out conversation, then by all means let them in. Just give them warning about what material they might encounter. As I said earlier, there could be regulations. The thread could be made on the restriction that NO pornographic material can be posted. Porn is very obviously identified. A picture of a woman's naked body in a Biology book is far different than that of a naked porn star. Easily identifiable.

Also, I did read well what you wrote. That doesn't change the fact you contradicted yourself however. You gave no notion of sarcasm in your post, so how can you expect someone to pick up on it? Its nothing personal towards you, just pointing out something you unintentionally did.

[L2Aim]

Just make a serious post in the Assorted Section.

You can ignore the posts of people with no serious input.

Forum rules still apply, it's still moderated and most of all everyone can post.

We could inspire the younger less intellectual people with our debates.

Don't leave them out, it's outcasting them from the society.

They will grow up someday, better do it prepared than unprepared.

No need for other sections, I mean, we're having serious opinion differences at the moment and are debating those too now.

I haven't seen (or ignored) any immature responses.

P.S.

You gave no notion of sarcasm in your post, so how can you expect someone to pick up on it?

orly?

[Eregon]

More often than not serious posts become tainted with jokes or things that take away from the serious atmosphere. As I said before, it's hard to ignore a person's post, even when it has no meaning. Especially if they come back and repeat their nonsense over and over. Some people have a much harder time than others ignoring something like that. Also, if everyone can post in a serious discussion on open forums, why can't any players post their serious responses to a person's ticket? Or to someones review of a GM? That isn't exactly fair to everyone.

We could inspire our youths but not many youths pay enough attention or take the words of their elders to heart, to really inspire any. It would be great if we did, but the chance of it happening is slim. Having one separate forum for serious discussion isn't out-casting them from society. If that were the case, than all organizations that do not allow everyone's input would be out casting. The voting system of the US would be out casting young kids from society because you have to be 18 to vote. Everyone seems to be ok with that.

This would be one of the rare occasions that it has not become tainted. But who's to say it won't occur later on? A separate forum would do a better job of preventing it.

OR! We could add a sub forum section (open to all) that is just for serious discussions. Any posts that would be irrelevant to the topic could be deleted. The restrictions on such a forum could be no pornographic material and no excessive language. Beyond that, I can see no need for it to be monitored. I have faith in the mature community here to know boundaries inside a conversation. (Just not so much in the immature.)

[L2Aim]

We could add a sub forum section (open to all) that is just for serious discussions.

Voilà! We've come to a proposal that seems to agree with most of the opinions being discussed in this topic.

Now gain approval and a new subsection could be created for discussions only.

Just marvellous.

[Eregon]

If I have your vote on that, it makes 2.

[Hrist]

To be honest, I think Ragnarok Online is made to be kid-friendly. Adding an 18+ sub forum is somewhat like going against that idea. Ragnarok is a community where everyone can interact no matter what age limit you are in. If you're a minor, make sure you act responsibly. If you're an adult, be responsible for the minors' sake.

That's just my opinion.

[Devotion]

Hrist, have you seen some of the sprites? Namely Morroc's Exorcist summon, the upside down girl one. What exactly is the blood on the bottom of her shirt from? And that's made for kids?

And after all, the majority of players do not respect younger people in game anyways. By this I mean openly swearing and speaking about sex. The average RO player here is 16-17, why not have a sub-forum where the older players can interact on a different level.

I do see the difference between an older player and a younger one. It is very distinct. I wouldn't mind a sub-forum for things like this. Frankly it will show what people are truly made of :P The real cake.

[Zeitgeist]

If the topics contain:

material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.

then we cannot allow it. Forum's ToS are something we cannot fiddle with. Besides of sexual or gore oriented topics. I don't see why should we segregate the forums for the view of certain users and both of those topics are prohibited by the forums' ToS.

[Dragon]

I really don't see this getting approved, but if it does happen to get approval, how would you go about regulating it? Make people use credit cards to verify age? Anyone can say that they are 18 or older when filling out the account information.

And if it comes down to click here to leave or 18+ click here to enter, well I think we all know where that will lead. Everyone who wants to enter, regardless of their age, will just click the 18+ to enter link.

[Zero]

I voted No, why?

It's a rated T game for Teenagers and there's no way to verify a user's age.

[» Pat]

Mike just owned this thread.

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