Idea for High Wizards

[toypupetz]

Oh that changes stuff a bit then. Well I'm still against it, but I hope when you say 9x9 water, it wouldn't show it would be invisible.. o_o

Yeah a sprite for it would be ridiculous. Just the added effect would be nice. :P

[Zero]

He hasn't done anything for them yet.

Also GTB.

[toypupetz]

Well in my honest opinion, it has got to be rather difficult to come up with ways to balance out a class that rely's solely on magic when GTB is highly available on the server. And we all already know that GTB is here to stay. So making a balance for wiz has got to be mind boggling. Thus why we make threads like this to help him out and make his life a little easier. (I hope.)

[toypupetz]

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Anyone else got any ideas for High Wiz?? What about a weapon designed for a Mage(Yes that means Scholar/Professor as well.) that increases your demi human damage xx% with melee attacks only. That way we can actually hurt somebody with our melee attack while attempting to strip their shields. Again this is merely a suggestion.

[Avalon]

Ah, this may have been said already because I didn't want to surf thru 4 pages of text, but most of the Al De Baran castles have water in them.

Anyway, Waterball is very powerful. Why is it very powerful? You need certain conditions for it to work. Should we make Mages, who screw anyone over who doesn't have a GTB, screw those people over even more? I don't really see a point. That's like saying we should just make Sacrifice do 400,000 damage because they can't really kill Ghostring-users that well, so they should do more damage against non anti-neutrals. Ghostring does seem like a more common card anyway (GTB = MvP, Ghostring = mini boss) and everyone can wear armor. This actually seems a lot more logical than this, though I don't agree with either. Anyway, it's better to give your opponent a fighting chance if they don't have a GTB, or new players will all get owned. Besides, people need to use their heads a little and strategize where they'll guard to use Waterball to their advantage.

EDIT: By the way, replying to the post above, the idea you suggested is like giving Paladins Mage class comparable magic skills for when their Sacrifice doesn't work. Classes have their weaknesses and need to find their ways around it. When Paladins can't Sacrifice, they have to use Holy Cross or something.

Wow, I make a lot of Paladin comparisons.

[CombatMuffins]

Like I said before, which no one even acknowledged, as for example of ninja's give wizards a skill with int that isn't phased by GTB. Like almost a TSS, but make it int based. But don't make it to powerful since wizards already have hella int for magic. I just dislike the idea of making powerful wizards (when fighting someone without a GTB) stronger. Like be my guest, give them something that pierces GTB, but don't go taking a ridiclous strong skill and making it usable without water.

[Avalon]

So much for the caption of this topic saying that it doesn't have anything to do with GTB ._.

Well, we could always make it so that GTB makes magic do half damage, and then make it add like 101 MDEF or something. That way, if Mages use a High Wizard Katrinn card, they can do about half damage to people with GTB. That makes it so GTB isn't completely ineffective, and it also gives Mages a chance if they have the card.

[Defiance]

Unfortunately, that has been suggested (and rejected) so many times already.

[toypupetz]

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I still hope this is on the possibilty side of improvement.

Please add any feedback/comments without the added flaming or moaning.

Don't like it? Tell us why...

Think it's a good idea? Tell us why....

[Devotion]

^It is :)

I saw many people say, well waterball is very powerful, and it will force us to wear GTB, then we'll get owned by asura etc. But a well geared professor and HW (of which there are many these days) can dish out several 100k per couple seconds. There is little to no difference. Lots of people default GTB anyways.

This will be considered.

[geldaz]

I didn't bother reading the whole topic,too lazy and It's mostly like that 40 pages GTB vote poll.

My 2 cents about this :

The population of the server can't take a Magical Class without GTB,therefor,they vote agaisn't the nerf of GTB. We already suggested millions and millions ideas,all rejected because ,unfortunately,the majority of the server back then (not sure about now,but it does seem the same) couldn't kill a High Wizard.

There's Maya ( It won't reflect AoE,but if you catch someone off-guard which is easy,they'll die instanctly ) ,which in my opinion,is better than GTB when it comes to fight Magical Classes,but still,people default GTB because they can't make up something decent to fight with.

I'm trying my best,because this has been going for way to long,there's been too many wars about GTB,and I thing it's time to settle this matter ,for once and for all.

EDIT : I'll post some ideas when I've got my mind clear and free. Holding to much pression in the moment,but count me in.

[Devotion]

Ah, well as previously stated and re-stated by the topic maker, the intention is not about GTB at all. It's about letting HW use waterball without deluge. This topic is not to suggest things for GTB at ALL. I know you're perhaps stressed at the moment but reading the topic, especially the first post, would be a great help.

Much appreciated.

[geldaz]

WaterBall = Magic skill.

GTB = Immune to Magic Skills.

No matter how much you try to tell and example with saying it's not about GTB,yes it is. He wants to ''power up'' ( hope you know what I mean) Waterball ,because when caught off-guard,it can kill anybody in a second,since OTHER SKILLS CAN'T DUE TO GTB.

And anyone who tries to fight a wizard is defaulting the card instantaneous.

Men,I'm kinda in a rush,sorry if my English sucks right now,but I'm a little stressed with real life business. With time,I'll explain things better.

[Devotion]

A decently geared prof or HW can finish off a player in a couple seconds too...Toy doesn't want to boost much of anything. He wants to have fun with it.

And then you said waterball is magic which is right, and so it doesn't pierce GTB, which is also right. Then you said it kills in an instant but other skills can't b/c of GTB. What you're saying is really not making sense

Yes if it's a one on one, the mage's opponent will most likely default gtb. But in a GVG or WoE situation, players might not wear it, since there are full asura champs etc around.

You need to read the whole thread, and destress, before really posting anything of much value :/

[geldaz]

I knew you wouldn't get it all,but I'll try to explain it now.

Other skills can't kill ''instantly'' if we can use that word,because they do low damage,and anyone receiving it will and does default GTB. Now when it comes to Water Ball, if they're not expecting it, it will get them in a second,having no time to switch to GTB. But if anyone is already expecting to encounter High Wizards on their way,they'll default GTB from the beginning ,making this and other Magic Skills ''boosts'' ideas useless and pointless.

I think I got myself clear,if not,just tell me what you didn't understood.

[Kuyuti]

The problem Isn't GTB. SinX and Snipers usually don't wear a shield only in Woe situations do they so HWS are easily anti-sniper/ SinXs.... And dude tbh it is hard to understand what you say mainly because of the lack of literacy in your writing. If you are foreign I understand and that isn't ment as a flame but don't flame someone because they can't read through your gibberish :/.

Waterball is a great skill and I don't think taking away the Catalyst will change anything. But I also think(Sorry to bring GTB in the situation but just from other posts I thought I would bring in a continueing Idea) that the Catalyst should. And Maybe make Waterball GTB pierceable ? That way Hw would need to party up with a Ninja or a Prof to be able to use it. Just another Idea.

But as for this Idea I like it regardless if my idea gets rejected or not. Mages already pwn my Sniper when they get the first hit. I don't think this will make a big difference.

[geldaz]

If you are foreign I understand and that isn't ment as a flame but don't flame someone because they can't read through your gibberish :/.

Oh,could you quote the words where I flamed anyone due to not understanding my ''gibberish''? And yes I am foreign, but you shouldn't be judging or whatever you're doing for that,because your English isn't that good either.

Snipers never wear a shield,why point that class in your statement ,when it doesn't make any sense? ( Never as in, they can wear a shield, but it's retarded and useless. Shield in a WoE being a Sniper? I don't think so )

And how are High Wizards anti-SinX ? Well,I can believe that they're Anti-Sniper,due to the lack of a shield while having a bow ( which is 100% needed ) in the Sniper Class,but SinX? You're pretty wrong in there. Want me to tell you why or can you think that up by yourself?

And even if Water Ball pierces GTB, that would only give advantage to the High Wizard class, not Professors nor Ninja's. The problem would still be there,and for the record, none likes to use the same skill all the frigging time. ''Water ball...water ball...'' and so on. High Wizard's are one or to be exact,the most versatile class that this game has,reducing this to a 1-skill class would completely kill the point. ( Even though GTB already does the job ).

Compriende? (:

[Kuyuti]

My english is actually pretty good but my laziness/l33t speak speaks for itself most of the time. And I wasn't judging on if you were foreign or not but just the simple fact that understanding your posts, except for that last one, are a bit hard. But as I see that last post was written well.

Anyway just to counter what you had said about the whole Shield Situation. I said except in Woe Situations. A Smart SinX will wear a shield until they reach the emperium. That is just a simple Strategy. On the open field most Sinx's will run around with two daggers or Katars, just a fact. As for Snipers using a shield in WoE you obviously haven't played a WoE Sniper. Ranged dmg is, or should be, halved in WoE therefore rendering a snipers bow useless. Snipers are better in WoE when they trapping. using Ankle Snare/ Sandman to not exactly stop but slow down enemies greatly. With that being said the longer a sniper Survives the longer they can hold off the Enemies. Which is why a sniper would Carry a shield/dagger during WoE for the shield Reduction/GTB possibility. Aswell as an Eddga card and a SinX card to increase Trapping Capabilities. But with that fact set aside.

I do agree the idea I had earlier would only apply to HW's and would leave out other Magical based classes. But like I said it was just a suggestion. And I also agree that Hw's are versatile but in a 255/255 every class has Versatility (Pass that on the any Champions). But like i said before this most likely would not effect the game in any way.

And sorry for the Defence just appeared as if you were flaming on my first two glance overs. But after you stated that I read it over again and it was easily my misunderstand. So I apologize for my misunderstanding.

[geldaz]

And you've never seen a good Sniper I guess. A 22k x 2 Double Strafe does HURT ,specially when spammed really but really fast. I could do it ,Connor could do it,and more people obviously could do it if they though about it.

And if we're going to talk about strategies ,there's a load of them for WoE ,and to counter what you said ,a smart SinX would actually clear the way ( being in the 2 last rooms,Emperium and pre-emperium ) or he would have more people following him,stacking on him,which would lead to a total failure when attempting to break the emperium.

That being one of the thousands strategies that is suitable for different people,adapting to their style of playing.

Ideas that wouldn't ''affect'' the game shouldn't really be suggested in my opinion. If they won't affect it,the game is good with or without them.

That's it for tonight,got school early in the morning and I'm kinda trying to not sleep during classes.

Have a nice night,think about this matter,you've got plenty of time till I'm back.

[Lucius]

We have yggs/Maya/Elemental Armor to counteract Waterball, not only that but just get 100% Magical Reflect and you'll be good :]

Too bad half the server sucks at PvP and jump to assumptions. <-admit it

[Kuyuti]

I have all top Sniper gear but FBH Aura/Emp Aura... Trust me I know a DS sniper hurts. Let me reiterate this though.... Sniper damage during WoE is halved or should be. I am not to sure about the situation here but if I remember correctly it was. so that 22k DS turns into a 11k DS.. O.o; I know how much a sniper can hurt. I easily make any job class spam Yggs. A Smart sniper would use a shield/dagger during WoE. Bow WoE snipers are useless.... Regardless of what you think :/.

When I said effect I meant as in a bad way. As in it won't change the gameplay detrimentally. just would open up the Waterball skill.... O.o;;; Anyway.... I'm done posting about Sniper in WoE if you still don't know what I'm talking about then just leave it at that >.>.

[Lucius]

People think that Waterball =/= Asura or something...

Lol ridiculous.

[Devotion]

Enough with the ego stroking and the "You obviously don't know (insert class here) then do you."

I knew you wouldn't get it all,but I'll try to explain it now.

Other skills can't kill ''instantly'' if we can use that word,because they do low damage,and anyone receiving it will and does default GTB. Now when it comes to Water Ball, if they're not expecting it, it will get them in a second,having no time to switch to GTB. But if anyone is already expecting to encounter High Wizards on their way,they'll default GTB from the beginning ,making this and other Magic Skills ''boosts'' ideas useless and pointless.

I think I got myself clear,if not,just tell me what you didn't understood.

But as Toy mentioned earlier in the thread, at the moment people use mage classes to get people to put on GTB, so that they're more easily killed by champs and Sinx and LK etc. It's already being done. If waterball makes them do it quicker it's not a big deal, they will do it anyways.

Have you read the thread at all? I mean come on...

Snipers never wear a shield,why point that class in your statement ,when it doesn't make any sense? ( Never as in, they can wear a shield, but it's retarded and useless. Shield in a WoE being a Sniper? I don't think so )

And how are High Wizards anti-SinX ? Well,I can believe that they're Anti-Sniper,due to the lack of a shield while having a bow ( which is 100% needed ) in the Sniper Class,but SinX? You're pretty wrong in there. Want me to tell you why or can you think that up by yourself?

Wearing a gtb on a sniper while running to the emp room or trapping isn't stupid, it's strategy. In addition, a lot of SinX are double dagger, which is how they are prone to Magic attacks.

Too bad half the server sucks at PvP and jump to assumptions. <-admit it

I admit it, and quite easily.

[geldaz]

Ego stroking?Since when pointing out that someone doesn't know something is ego stroking?

If you're going to get in a argue,please get your statements correct. Am I the only one who needs to read the thread? I don't think so. You even QUOTED me,although you didn't pay attention to what I wrote:

I said that wearing a shield as a sniper was retarded and useless. You're quoting my words and altering them,attempting to make it look to other people's eyes that I'm wrong and you're the genius here,when you're not. Like I said,it's retarded and useless(for me,I never stated that it was a FACT ,simply an OPINION ) but it's one of the thousand strategies that people can use,each one suitable for each type of player. I'd rather kill everyone on the Emperium room / pre-emperium room ( near the portal to the emp room ) than letting opponents get through,and there's people that do it too. I never stated something related to '' Sniper wearing a GTB while running to the emp room is stupid'' ,quit altering what I said,please?

Now read this with attention. Something I've learned in life is that you shouldn't judge people without looking at your own defects. If you're going to argue,get CORRECT STATEMENTS,and quit altering my words to what looks better for you.

P.S : For the record,I was having a civilized conversation with Kuyuti ,so what I said had sense to HIM or to what he said before. Mind your own business.

[Tick]

To be honest, I think this is a great idea. Wizards are underpowered due to the high damage classes and not to mention GTB. Tick Agree`s to this suggestion!