toypupetz Posted October 29, 2008 Author Report Posted October 29, 2008 There it is, if this so called "suggestion" ends up being implemented, I'm totally fine with you have to exchange a shield card for it while using the skill. That would be fine since my wiz isnt built for surviving Asura and if you get close enough to me to melee because of your GTB, I'm gonna die anyway.(Coma or not.) Asura champs is why I always carry my double OL and Valk Manteau.
Ryoji Posted October 29, 2008 Report Posted October 29, 2008 Maybe the kettle hat could be implemented :P As another event item, or even a vote item. That'd be nifty. K Headgear Page for RMS
toypupetz Posted October 29, 2008 Author Report Posted October 29, 2008 That would be awesome for any other int based class such as Creator or Priest but for wizzy it wouldnt help much. Problem being it has a chance to cast on attack. I would assume this is a melee probabilty. Being a wiz I dont melee and I doubt many would. (Our extremely low hp makes melee a suicide.) But As I first stated, this would be an awesome item for a Creator or a Priest.
-Insane- Posted October 29, 2008 Report Posted October 29, 2008 Pfft, I have fun with woe, especially the bonus's, I've only gotten yggs but I look forward to a emp aurora, even know they are losing value, I still want one. Yes yes, I have fun with WoE too, but with us holding the castle every time, isn't it gay/biased already? And I want an emp aura too, I'd never wear FBH, plus I'm saving my votes for icy wings. =D
Zero Posted October 30, 2008 Report Posted October 30, 2008 Let's see it like this, either the enemy uses Maya or GTB to not die to Waterball and become open to powerful Stave Crashers or they could use Usakoring cards and become open to Waterball. Oh hey, elemental armors/cards. Quit complaining and let this be implemented. HWs don't have a massive 200k HP at 160 vit, so I don't see the problem here. They're getting around a .6% higher chance of actually killing a well-equipped player that isn't an overpowering class :D
CombatMuffins Posted October 30, 2008 Report Posted October 30, 2008 Wizzys have always been strong damage dealing classes, so you want to make them super buff being able to free cast water ball? the only thing thats a problem for wizzy's is gtb, yeah its a biggie but regardless, have you seen how much damage waterball would do? I've never seen it here but on nlRO (Slower pvp and less damage) It was quick, damage effective, and I would not like to see every wizard using waterball. I'm not considering wizards overpowered, I just think this suggestion is bad, maybe if you had to exchange a shield card for it and only usable during woe, I understand I suppose. And no smart one, I'm not complaining, its a simple suggestion with a debate on the side on it, and quite frankly someone should oppose to try and help people realize the downfalls of it, I might be doing a bad job but regardless before you start saying i'm crying\complaining, you can Gtfo.
Abstract Posted October 30, 2008 Report Posted October 30, 2008 OBVIOUSLY you guys have never seen how strong Waterball is. I think it should remain as it is right now because there's other skills that you can use besides Waterball. You guys just don't want to have to find water or get a Professor to use Deluge because you guys just want to get more kills. You guys could always go hybrid instead of going full int. Even if someone puts on GTB, you're still useless even if Waterball didn't need a catalyst. Have you guys not seen how fast and powerful Waterball is? It'll make WoE that much harder than it is right now. I agree with Muffins that there should be a card for shield PLUS a card for shoes that'll make you use Waterball without the catalyst because even if you put a card in the shield, you'll still do an enormous amount of damage even without FBH Card. The way I see it is even if the catalyst is removed for Waterball, you guys will still get a Professor to Deluge to increase your Waterball damage. Basically WoE will only consist of Wizards and Champions in my eyes because Wizards will force players to switch to GTB and then all the Champion needs to do is Asura Strike the player and it's done. Waterball was meant to have a catalyst, hence the word "Water"ball. I don't see much fun in WoE if Waterball's catalyst was removed.
CombatMuffins Posted October 30, 2008 Report Posted October 30, 2008 While we are at it, lets take away zen fury zen for champs to asura, or edp to deal edp damage. [/sarcasm]
-Insane- Posted October 30, 2008 Report Posted October 30, 2008 I'm all for it, actually. I have about 80% water resist one way or the other, so much that water damage deals less on me than neutral damage when I'm wearing fire armor. I'd love love love to see more people use water.
Berserk. Posted October 30, 2008 Report Posted October 30, 2008 The answer is simple: DON"T FRIGGIN USE A MAGE FOR PVP SO YOU WON'T HAVE TO COMPLAIN HERE ABOUT THEM. GTB OWNS you. MAYA OWNS you. and if you're fightng a nab or a newb, they probably atleast have some elemental armors and even they'd own you. How retarded does someone has to be? DON'T USE A FRIGGIN MAGE FOR FUCKING PVP UNLESS YOU'D REALLY WANT TO. THEN DON'T COME HERE TO COMPLAIN. There; problem solved. If you still don't understand, i'll write it in noobish too. u CEEEE u roXxxxX ur 5uX wiz440t wiZZ7 1773 3137 1337 1337 1337 U i5 t3h333 B000000MB 50 5uQz me B411z u 1l1 4n0y1l5 508 lululz lawls LOLOLO ROFL LMAO ROFLMAOFAO GIMME ZENY b1tcl-l h3lpppppppp h3lppppppppppp U noob \/\/0r<] 133 1337 1337.
toypupetz Posted October 30, 2008 Author Report Posted October 30, 2008 The answer is simple: DON"T FRIGGIN USE A MAGE FOR PVP SO YOU WON'T HAVE TO COMPLAIN HERE ABOUT THEM. GTB OWNS you. MAYA OWNS you. and if you're fightng a nab or a newb, they probably atleast have some elemental armors and even they'd own you. How retarded does someone has to be? DON'T USE A FRIGGIN MAGE FOR FUCKING PVP UNLESS YOU'D REALLY WANT TO. THEN DON'T COME HERE TO COMPLAIN. There; problem solved. If you still don't understand, i'll write it in noobish too. u CEEEE u roXxxxX ur 5uX wiz440t wiZZ7 1773 3137 1337 1337 1337 U i5 t3h333 B000000MB 50 5uQz me B411z u 1l1 4n0y1l5 508 lululz lawls LOLOLO ROFL LMAO ROFLMAOFAO GIMME ZENY b1tcl-l h3lpppppppp h3lppppppppppp U noob \/\/0r<] 133 1337 1337. Are you serious? Where do you see a complaint about gtb or maya. This thread has nothing to do with either. Instead of bitching moaning and groaning, Understand the thread and leave senseless bullshit out of it. I'm merely asking for the chance to use waterball as a wizard without the catalyst of water. AND I even added the sub-title, Has nothing to do with GTB to keep people from Flaming from the start about how we arent gonna mess with GTB. Good, I'm glad. Leave GTB as is. Just help us to improve our arsenal as has been done with other classes in ways of mods and custom cards.
Berserk. Posted October 30, 2008 Report Posted October 30, 2008 If the noobish language part doesn't help you, i'm sorry you're lost. There's a limit to idiocy and you've just passed it. Maybe you should ask for a FUCKING "USE COMMON SENSE" as a passive skill for the mage class. I can't believe this shit is STILL going on, sugar coating your "bitching and moaning" wouldn't help. :withstupid:
toypupetz Posted October 30, 2008 Author Report Posted October 30, 2008 Wow. And you call me the idiot.
Sorrow Posted October 30, 2008 Report Posted October 30, 2008 The answer is simple: DON"T FRIGGIN USE A MAGE FOR PVP SO YOU WON'T HAVE TO COMPLAIN HERE ABOUT THEM. GTB OWNS you. MAYA OWNS you. and if you're fightng a nab or a newb, they probably atleast have some elemental armors and even they'd own you. How retarded does someone has to be? DON'T USE A FRIGGIN MAGE FOR FUCKING PVP UNLESS YOU'D REALLY WANT TO. THEN DON'T COME HERE TO COMPLAIN. There; problem solved. If you still don't understand, i'll write it in noobish too. u CEEEE u roXxxxX ur 5uX wiz440t wiZZ7 1773 3137 1337 1337 1337 U i5 t3h333 B000000MB 50 5uQz me B411z u 1l1 4n0y1l5 508 lululz lawls LOLOLO ROFL LMAO ROFLMAOFAO GIMME ZENY b1tcl-l h3lpppppppp h3lppppppppppp U noob \/\/0r<] 133 1337 1337. If the noobish language part doesn't help you, i'm sorry you're lost. There's a limit to idiocy and you've just passed it. Maybe you should ask for a FUCKING "USE COMMON SENSE" as a passive skill for the mage class. I can't believe this shit is STILL going on, sugar coating your "bitching and moaning" wouldn't help. :withstupid: ROFL Who died and named this guy king of rome? :rolleyes_anim: He should ask for the skills "Respect" and "Look At The Mirror" for his main char... If you don't have anything to add to the topic in a positive way...by all means...shut it ^^ i'm starting to like this idea by the way :3
CombatMuffins Posted October 31, 2008 Report Posted October 31, 2008 Okay, Genesis will make magic classes balanced, besides this waterball idea isn't well thought out by anyone who agreed, or they just seem to lack RO common sense.
Zero Posted October 31, 2008 Report Posted October 31, 2008 Hey haven't you noticed that it's been months since Genesis announced that he'll balance HW and he's yet to actually do anything useful for them? GTB is out there and so is massive HP. HW are a failure to the PvP rooms, LMS and for_fild01. They have ridiculously low HP and can't damage worth a shit with a dagger, nor can they carry too much berries like any other class. They don't have any real way of creating massive damage unless they use Ifrit Rings / Asura or Magic. But GTB is out there and by the time you could pull an Asura off, you'd be dead or their reflect will kill you (Thank you low HP). As I stated before, hey there are fucking elemental armors and element changing armor cards, learn to fucking use them. I'm still in for this suggestion, it's beautiful and well though. toypuppets I love you.
toypupetz Posted October 31, 2008 Author Report Posted October 31, 2008 Wow. I lack common sense because you carry a gtb, I use primarily magic attacks, and want access to a more powerful magic attack so the few people that I do catch without their gtb on I stand a better chance of killing. As far as "It'll make woe more of a pain in the ass" Me standing at the entrance with two Asura champs gets the job done and I dont even have access to Waterball yet. Having waterball wont make much of a difference since the majority of you wear GTB to get passed me when I SG and MS spam. So anyway, Anyone have any usefull feedback that isnt full of bitching or moaning? Don't like the idea, Tell us about it. Just leave the pointless bitching out of it. I'm still for this idea and dont understand why people wanna cry about it. Atleast I didnt say lets Nerf GTB, I'm magic and I cant do shit without having it removed. HAHAHAHAHA I actually rack up 45-70 kills per WoE and GTB has its full effect. So I say again, leave GTB as is just give me access to my more powerful skills.
Sieg Heart Posted October 31, 2008 Report Posted October 31, 2008 Hey, cum for brains, haven't you noticed that it's been months since Genesis announced that he'll balance HW and he's yet to actually do anything useful for them? GTB is out there and so is massive HP. HW are a failure to the PvP rooms, LMS and for_fild01. They have ridiculously low HP and can't damage worth a shit with a dagger, nor can they carry too much berries like any other class. They don't have any real way of creating massive damage unless they use Ifrit Rings / Asura or Magic. But GTB is out there and by the time you could pull an Asura off, you'd be dead or their reflect will kill you (Thank you low HP). As I stated before, hey there are fucking elemental armors and element changing armor cards, learn to fucking use them. I'm still in for this suggestion, it's beautiful and well though. toypuppets I love you. stop bitchin man, take off ur gtb and see what happen @toypupetz i agree /ho
» Pat Posted October 31, 2008 Report Posted October 31, 2008 Sorry, but I have to concur with miek. ):
Ryoji Posted October 31, 2008 Report Posted October 31, 2008 This is an idea that wouldn't hurt... But I don't see how it'd do much good either. That's why I suggested just putting in a headgear that's previously created. In using that it could stimulate event qpon economy a bit more, and help this idea happen. No harm right? Also, the property for the hat could be changed. Like instead of attacking for the chance to happen, have it where when you're damaged it happens randomly. I don't know. Just a thought.
Icon Posted October 31, 2008 Report Posted October 31, 2008 i just dont see why some of you are fighting this so hard. first of all, there's GTB. i'm all for GTB being 100% effective. i fought real hard to keep GTB around with many others. secondly, if this suggestion gets implemented you can kill most mages in the following ways with most basic builds : Hit them a few times Bowling Bash x1 TSS x1 Asura x1 Sonic Blow x1 Sac x1 Final Strike(if you're good) x1 HIT them a few times Double Strafe them a few times Acid Demo/Bomb them a few times Grimtooth them a few times HIT THEM a few times Rapid Smit them a few times Desperado them a few times Cart Term them a few times Mammonite them a few times ANY SKILL them a few times HIT THEM A few times Magic Reflect Cards Soul Linker Reflect Coma Strip/Coma Strip/Magic HIT THEM A FEW TIMES there's alot more but I'm hoping the point got across that even with this skill you can still kill them in the blink of an eye but ..... IF we ever(hopefully never) nerf GTB THEN i won't doubt if someone would want this skill set back to normal
Sorrow Posted October 31, 2008 Report Posted October 31, 2008 Icon you're a traitor, get out of here...i hate you XD /heh @Ryoji: this is what i thought; water ball isn't a spell that hits 25 times...it is a rapid sucession of 25 spells which are two completelly different things...
FAQU Posted October 31, 2008 Report Posted October 31, 2008 There is a way to contribute to a suggestion and agree or disagree without needing to flame each other. So are you gunna like warn them all like you warned me?
Zero Posted October 31, 2008 Report Posted October 31, 2008 I was warned, good. Anyways @toypuppetz: My comment wasn't directed to you it was all for CombatMuffins that insulted me saying I lack common sense, even if he was generally speaking about those agreeing with this suggestion, I fall into that category since I like this. @Sieg Heart: I dunno where you're coming from. If you read carefully you'll know what I was saying. As long as GTB is present, every class will have an upper hand over HW. Except Super Novice. @Godrevy: I was provoked.
