Devotion Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 Oh damn, if Tick approves we have to do it ;)
Kuyuti Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 I concur. I don't think they are underpowered Just really easy to counter... But meh... This won't fix anything really just would give a HW a new toy to play with.
geldaz Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 This won't fix anything really just would give a HW a new toy to play with. Finally something of good use. This won't fix anything,so if we make little and little ''powerups'' to the class,people sooner or later will ask for more and more,which will be rejected with,most probably, '' We've already boosted X skill / thing. ''. In my opinion,if we're going to make a change,make it a big one so we won't need to ask for another in the next week or month.
Kuyuti Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 It kind of like having a billion cookies and having a hungry child ask for a cookie. You know he needs a full meal yet he is asking for a cookie... and you have tons of them... won't hurt to give him a cookie :O. But if you give him too many cookies he will become sick and fat :/. eventually he will need a full healthy meal XP
geldaz Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 Shit, I'm hungry now. Animals shaped in cookies time. QQ. But yeah..unfortunately this suggestion leaves to nowhere except for the Rejected Ideas to improve Magical classes. Unfortunately,that's the truth.
Sorrow Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 i personally don't like this suggestion, not that i'm against, i just find it plain useless and waste of time to even think of ^^" We need something to benefit magic in general, not small pluses that are the same as nothing in most cazes.
Devotion Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 Read the thread, Genesis seemed to like it. Little adjustments are just as important as the big ones. Not everything needs to be a big deal :)
Lucius Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 Enough with the ego stroking and the "You obviously don't know (insert class here) then do you." Then again, if you have no knowledge towards the class being worked on and only know how it'll affect the class you play the most negatively, you shouldn't have a say in this entire suggestion because you don't know how incredibly underpowered the High Wizards are, PvP-wise. Small pluses eventually lead to the completion of the upgrade. If you jump with one huge upgrade, imagine how it will destroy balance since it obviously wouldn't have been thought out thoroughly and tested.
Devotion Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 ah I'm not really sure why you quoted me. But I'm for this change and I'm very aware of how hard it is to be a mage class here. And people are bringing gtb into the topic when this is not what toypupetz wanted. Are you for or against HW being able to use waterball without deluge, that's all this topic asks :)
Sorrow Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 i've read the thread...to be precise, i've also voiced my sightspot earlier in october, when the thread was started in fact. Hasn't changed ^^" We need a fair solution to this old problem, and when, somehow, magic start to work right, people will complain that waterball is too overpowered. As much as i agree that small treats can be quite pleasing as well, a big problem claim for a big solution. This suggestion is no different from the one that said "give coma to high wizzards!", in the end it hits the same wall, it's just not pratical. After all, if my magic isn't working, why don't i try to coma the full str, 195 aspd and EDPed sinx? Yeah...instant win... i don't see any advantage to this ^^ But in the end...i'm not against it if it were to happen...i'm just stating the "obvious"...it's useless ^^"
geldaz Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 Yep,what I've been trying to say but some people here *cough* only see what they like. Got out of words since my last ''counter''. That's life. And yeah,me and Mike have been in HUGE ''fights'' for the Magical classes. We sure are more aware than you over this matter,so quit trying to be the genius of the thread.
Lucius Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 ah I'm not really sure why you quoted me. But I'm for this change and I'm very aware of how hard it is to be a mage class here. And people are bringing gtb into the topic when this is not what toypupetz wanted. Are you for or against HW being able to use waterball without deluge, that's all this topic asks :) I quoted you so you can be aware that my first comment is directed to what you said. I'm for Waterball without Deluge. Shit, we get around 5 seconds to attack an enemy without GTB before they notice it and change.
geldaz Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 Well I'm in for that too,but you'll see in the future what I've spoken about. (:
Kuyuti Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 If you don't have GTB a mage will kill you regardless of waterball or not... So.... I mean come on -.-. kkthxbai Waterballwithnowaterftw :D
Lucius Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 If you don't have GTB a mage will kill you regardless of waterball or not... So.... I mean come on -.-. kkthxbai Waterballwithnowaterftw :D Too bad almost everyone owns GTB. Even noobs.
Kuyuti Posted January 20, 2009 Report Posted January 20, 2009 Unfortunately I don't have one... But I could Afford it people sell it for what 25 DQPS?
Sorrow Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Yeah 25 coupons and you destroy the essence of 3+ jobs, buy one and be happy. You can even call every spellcaster "noob" when they die because they can't do nothing against you :3 Yep,what I've been trying to say but some people here *cough* only see what they like. Got out of words since my last ''counter''. That's life. And yeah,me and Mike have been in HUGE ''fights'' for the Magical classes. We sure are more aware than you over this matter,so quit trying to be the genius of the thread. My, My, you really should learn how to recognize allies. If my words kind of sounded like your ideal, it merely means we share similar sightspots, no need to feel out-smarted by what i said...no one is "trying" to be a genius here... These "fights" aren't exclusively yours as well, don't understimate others, for if we manage to give magic classes the respect we deserve it'll be as a community, and not for the separate actions of individual X or Y. Or maybe not, who knows...Genesis would be able to do it alone though... If you don't have GTB a mage will kill you regardless of waterball or not... So.... I mean come on -.-. kkthxbai Waterballwithnowaterftw :D Only poor players are defeated by magic users simply because they don't use GTB. i've beaten most wizzards i've met with my katar sinx. Too bad almost everyone owns GTB. Even noobs. So true...
geldaz Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 It wasn't even directed to you... and I'd never feel out-smarted by you (;
Frillybum Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 I've been on a server where GTB only worked at either 50 or 70% so magic user's would be able to hit you but the dmg is reduced. I dont know if this has already been said I dont feel like reading all the post's xD. But maybe this could help "balance" the whole issue about GTB and wizzards.
Sorrow Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 It wasn't even directed to you... and I'd never feel out-smarted by you (; Like-wise :3 But located after my post and no quote it felt like it was...It's a releave tho...could i ask you to express yourself a bit better next time? It would help immensely undertanding who you're talking to ^^" Now that that is clear, where were we? Oh yeah waterball... Frillybum, apparently, in here people are just lame and preffer to not give magic classes even a chance to have fun on pvp. That was proposed, voted for and rejected(by the difference of miserable 3(yeah...Three) votes) unfortunatelly. And this issue is generating ideas such as these...waterball without water catalyst...yay...
-Insane- Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 I tried spamming waterball at payon_cave, the dps was fucking insane. 24 balls at 250% matk each, with 20k matk. Spammable. Is this going to be added?
Kuyuti Posted January 24, 2009 Report Posted January 24, 2009 Well only if the wizard sees you first. Poor or not Idc.. The wizzy will kill you if he see you and has no gtb lol.. I can kill them first if I see them with my sniper and I can kill poorly geared ones after taking a few hits but still the fact that SG knocks you around like a bowling pin makes it kind of hard lol
Amitsu Posted January 24, 2009 Report Posted January 24, 2009 i've beaten most wizzards i've met with my katar sinx. sonic blow job?
Sorrow Posted January 24, 2009 Report Posted January 24, 2009 Well only if the wizard sees you first. Poor or not Idc.. The wizzy will kill you if he see you and has no gtb lol.. I can kill them first if I see them with my sniper and I can kill poorly geared ones after taking a few hits but still the fact that SG knocks you around like a bowling pin makes it kind of hard lol Why is it that people think that no GTB vs Wiz is instant kill? Oh yeah...maybe those whores with double tao+double deviling would have such problem. sonic blow job? i die if i sonic blow someone with OL. Sinx posses a great skill that's quite understimated here...Soul Destroyer.
-Insane- Posted January 24, 2009 Report Posted January 24, 2009 Why is it that people think that no GTB vs Wiz is instant kill? Oh yeah...maybe those whores with double tao+double deviling would have such problem. Maybe you've never seen my wiz. Also, hide + grimtooth. /end
