Authoritative Complication Posted September 23, 2008 Report Posted September 23, 2008 Alright, we all know that various classes can use Coma. Sage/Prof and any class that can wield a sword but hey, those that use swords are already super-powered, so I'm wondering if we could maybe give High Wizards a little help. Another thing, how about, only for High Wizards and Professors(Maybe) we create a card for them to use, to break shields instead of only strip? I hate it when people just like, get their shields stripped and then run away or stall for an FCP to get it back, against a High Wizard, who's abilities to kill rely on magic which is blocked off by shields. Summary: Create a Coma based weapon for High Wizards and a shield breakage exclusively for High Wizards / Professor(maybe). You can say "oh just get a LoD card^^" but have you failed to see how the other classes with Book of the Dead and Edge don't really require it? Then you could say that champs can't coma but hey, they could Asura and TSS. If this is created then maybe you could even-out battles a bit.
toypupetz Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 I love this idea. I prefer wizards but due to fcp/GTB wizards are extremely underpowered. HP needs a major revision. And atk damage could use a modifier since the best way to use a wiz anymore is to rely on strips and breaks via melee damage. Just my opinion. Whitesmith got its modification, I'd like to see a mod to High Wizards.
Terroryst Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 I'd also like to see a mod for Soul Linkers. It took me an Ice Pick and a hell lot of STR to hit 6~10k. And this is before most people realized the Donation Shield + Thara combo. On Topic - Yeah, Wizards need a lot of buffs. HP buffs, and a way around GTB besides trying to strip their FCP'd shield.
geldaz Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 Always sounded hot,but most of the community can't accept the fact that High Wizards need to get buffed. We did polls,we lost. People are afraid of Wizards. You're yet to see a good one. We could always do like : Stave crasher ,coma by chance,surpasses GTB. (( low % ,like normal coma )). Make a card that makes you immune to Stave Crasher,but not magical attacks (( something like that )). That way,if you start spamming Stave Crasher,they'll switch to that new card,and then you can use magical attacks,and so on. That could work Just like we switch from GTB to Usakoring,they could switch from GTB to that card,having its own effects.
L33t_SpAxX0R Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 I was about to say go for the coma wep for wizzies, however, geldaz... that is ingenious, it would surely balance out gameplay now if they could balance nins better :ph34r:
geldaz Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 I was about to say go for the coma wep for wizzies, however, geldaz... that is ingenious, it would surely balance out gameplay now if they could balance nins better :ph34r: Thanks. Well,I don't mean make the card just for STAVE crash,the other magical classes diserve it aswell. Ninjas are quite better than Wizard IMO. They can't get hit at all.
L33t_SpAxX0R Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 nope cicada skin shedding got nerfed, I can't do anything for a few seconds afterwards.... they need a serious buff too.... either buff the skills, or buff the base stats...... and nerf gtb/maya because they weren't supposed to be in the populous en masse... hence the .01% droprate. with this I'm seriously thinking on going back to my old server, at least I can get around a whored thana server
Terroryst Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 nope cicada skin shedding got nerfed, I can't do anything for a few seconds afterwards.... I'm pretty sure that's just the after cast delay/cooldown. If you get Kiels, that would be resolved. If you've ever seen Nick/iHunt play Ninja, it's insane.
L33t_SpAxX0R Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 maybe, but I've played a nin in iro, I don't remember cicada skin shedding having an aftercast delay that long.
Sorrow Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 Someone still has HOPE of getting something for the magic class? oO admirable... hmmm well you see...the failure about the initial idea...GTB Blocks Coma AND Magic so a coma wizzard would be as good as a coma professor, GTB blocks both things at once. About the shield breaking, Whitesmith card does that alone...why would you want a combo for that? Unless it was a card with the MvP skill Break Shield LV10, which FCP doesn't protect. maybe, but I've played a nin in iro, I don't remember cicada skin shedding having an aftercast delay that long. hmmm...Cast Off Ciceda Shell is one of the skills that got..."balanced out" =P (aka nerfed in the server)
geldaz Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 Someone still has HOPE of getting something for the magic class? oO admirable... hmmm well you see...the failure about the initial idea...GTB Blocks Coma AND Magic so a coma wizzard would be as good as a coma professor, GTB blocks both things at once. I don't think you actually understood what I suggested. D: .Read again. I think it would solve it.
Sorrow Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 I don't think you actually understood what I suggested. D: .Read again. I think it would solve it. i haven't read your post ^^" i've only read the starting one and the last one =P you know...your idea is nice, a way to force the opponent to take GTB off with a bigger odd; the chance of getting killed with a single attack...could work, but if only wizzard get a plus that won't make it fair =P
Terroryst Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 Actually, shield is protected by FCP... Anyways, Cast Off Ciceda shell says it has a 2 second cooldown.
Icon Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 I don't think High Wizards need anything other than a generous HP modification. If you're ever playing with a well built HW and you come across someone without GTB on, you win. Coma sounds nice but it will only work if they don't have a GTB equipped and, IMO, if they don't have GTB equipped you can murder them just as fast with spells/skills. Once more, as far I'm concerned GTB is necessary for the other players to survive the HW class just like you have to have 3 different cards to survive asura. <-- Kind of off topic but I just had to say it.
» Pat Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 About the shield breaking, Whitesmith card does that alone... No; it doesn't. o_o;
geldaz Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 I don't think High Wizards need anything other than a generous HP modification. If you're ever playing with a well built HW and you come across someone without GTB on, you win. You don't need a well built HW to kill someone without a GTB. That's simple and basic. Anyone who picks on a High Wizard focus for GTB. Why would they have it off? You do know that High Wizards were meant to have no HP,but be able to BURST OUTTT damage quickly right? Well,GTB just kills them. You guys shoulld start putting it into your head for once and for all. Play a High Wizard on iRO and you'll see how fucking awesome it is to build your own battlefield and rape,without having Homo 10% chance cards flowing the server and killing your class.
Icon Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 Pssst, this isn't 1/1/1 iRO. We can chat all day about what things ''were meant to have'' but that will lead nowhere, except to me flaming asura champs.
L33t_SpAxX0R Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 hmmm...Cast Off Ciceda Shell is one of the skills that got..."balanced out" =P (aka nerfed in the server) well, it should be re-balanced the other way... because that's all they did, was appease those that only know how to play one way. if they are insisting on nerfing css then they should buff something else because a ninja has stat equations that are inferior to everybody else (aka, they have less attack, less mattack, less flee, less hp, less sp, name it and they generally have less of it.) Pssst, this isn't 1/1/1 iRO. We can chat all day about what things ''were meant to have'' but that will lead nowhere, except to me flaming asura champs. well, it may not be, however iro is balanced this server isn't... not like the rest aren't either, however, when you whore out gtb, you completely knock magic users off the map. Balanced? no. **edit** I've said this before, gtb, thana, turtle gen, tao gunka, and just about any card are not supposed to exist en masse, if you look at ratemyserver.net, all the card drops are at .01% and they are there for a reason.
CombatMuffins Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 I didn't read anything except first post. But heres my opinion... If we get a card to break shield, It will add another break equipment card, aka annoying. But okay its fine, BUT I say no because with armor that can be solved with RSK, and still have one card left for GR or whatever. If this was done with shield and we had a anti-beak shield card, their wouldn't be a spot for the card and one other card, so it would be so gay imo.
Authoritative Complication Posted September 24, 2008 Author Report Posted September 24, 2008 I didn't read anything except first post. But heres my opinion... If we get a card to break shield, It will add another break equipment card, aka annoying. But okay its fine, BUT I say no because with armor that can be solved with RSK, and still have one card left for GR or whatever. If this was done with shield and we had a anti-beak shield card, their wouldn't be a spot for the card and one other card, so it would be so gay imo. The card would be as mentioned exclusively for High Wizard/Professor(maybe). @Icon: How many fully donated, trained/skilled Assassin Crosses can you kill on your High Wizard before you die? Ok, now, how many times can a fully donated, trained/skilled Assassin Cross kill you before you kill him or change to Baked? The class needs a powerful boost that it has yet to witness.
Sorrow Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 No; it doesn't. o_o; pardon my ignorance ^^" i forgot...WS card breaks armor and weapon XD either way, FCP still protects against shield breaking, not to mention the weak capabilities for mages meeleeing knights and assassins. I don't think High Wizards need anything other than a generous HP modification. If you're ever playing with a well built HW and you come across someone without GTB on, you win. Coma sounds nice but it will only work if they don't have a GTB equipped and, IMO, if they don't have GTB equipped you can murder them just as fast with spells/skills. Once more, as far I'm concerned GTB is necessary for the other players to survive the HW class just like you have to have 3 different cards to survive asura. <-- Kind of off topic but I just had to say it. i don't know why is that people have so much fear of HW, GTB is NOT the only way to survive against one. Do i need to make a complete anti-magic guide so people believe me that it's actually easy to counter magic? People of Lowrate can make HWs run in fear in pvp, and they don't have Maya, RXS, Eddga, FKingset and two slotted mantles =/ Then again, don't worry. All we can do is whine, GTB isn't changing, so be happy ^^ well, it should be re-balanced the other way... because that's all they did, was appease those that only know how to play one way. if they are insisting on nerfing css then they should buff something else because a ninja has stat equations that are inferior to everybody else (aka, they have less attack, less mattack, less flee, less hp, less sp, name it and they generally have less of it.) well, it may not be, however iro is balanced this server isn't... not like the rest aren't either, however, when you whore out gtb, you completely knock magic users off the map. Balanced? no. **edit** I've said this before, gtb, thana, turtle gen, tao gunka, and just about any card are not supposed to exist en masse, if you look at ratemyserver.net, all the card drops are at .01% and they are there for a reason. well i found it pretty unfair myself, COCS has like more delay and i delay in which you can't eve move while it works =/ mentioning such things as the original drop rates don't work by the way...believe i tried XD the best you can get is a "go play in a low rate then!" ANYWAYS...this topic is going down hill along with the other bunch of topics about making something for the spellcasters, everything always goes XD (how i wish i was wrong...but i can see it)
toypupetz Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 I dont see where you guys turn this into a GTB conversation. This has nothing to do with GTB. As the topic started stated He/I would like to see a mod in hp and other balances since GTB is such a common card. I personally do well on my Wiz, but GTB ruins the fun. So therefore i change to a melee build with a really nice stave crasher. but when my hp barely reaches 100k with a lot of vit added, i dont last long when somebody gets close to me to attack.
Sorrow Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 It becomes a GTB conversation sooner or later...i mean, what is the root of the spellcaster's problems? Ahem...i only found it interesting cause...the topic suggests giving a coma weapon to wizzards. Yet...GTB blocks magic and coma therefore...i didn't see a very much usefullness to it. Geldaz idea looked nice anyways in how coma could help.
toypupetz Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 I honestly dont think coma is needed for High Wiz class. With a good hp mod and maybe a magicAtk mod to help with stave crasher damage would make wizzies a little more versatile. And i know there is a card that gives +3% or 5% added damage to magic/stave crasher on weapon but wizzies need those weapon spots for strips and breaks since not everyone is fcp'd all the time.
