Fluxy Posted September 19, 2008 Report Posted September 19, 2008 Guthrie Govan. Discuss. BB King. End of discussion. Followed closely by Tommy Emmanuel. :)
Terminus Posted September 20, 2008 Report Posted September 20, 2008 As taken from the comments of the link you gave. "Halcomb can just fuckoff. So can Blues Jam Tracks. Reason: They're just like him with their poxy bogus accounts not just on here but on their other vids as well. I will never buy another backing track from them. This channel/vids is a fucking joke. Good luck to Guthrie Govan and I hope he kicks these prats into touch. btw - Ben Poole is OK.......but that's my opinion. Just loads like him and nothing different " "Yeah I've seen him too. He sucks donkey dick you know. " This is on the first page too. Anyways, his riffs sound alright. Personally, it sounds a lot more in-tune with blues. IMO, the most amazing guitarist alive would be Slash or if you consider bass too, then Cliff Burton.
Jer Flip Posted September 20, 2008 Author Report Posted September 20, 2008 IMO, the most amazing guitarist alive would be Slash lol'd Slash is technically waaaay below Vai, Satriani, Petrucci, Sfogli, Govan, Buckethead... any virtuoso I can think of
Fluxy Posted September 20, 2008 Report Posted September 20, 2008 Er.. That dude has no feel.. He's so boring to watch -_- Guitar isn't all about technicality on the fretboard. @.@
Jer Flip Posted September 20, 2008 Author Report Posted September 20, 2008 Er.. That dude has no feel.. He's so boring to watch -_- Guitar isn't all about technicality on the fretboard. @.@ </a> Excuse me, sir? A REAL musician appreciates REAL musicianship. And I don't know how you can say Guthrie has no feel. You obviously haven't listened to his album.
Fluxy Posted September 21, 2008 Report Posted September 21, 2008 Excuse me, sir? A REAL musician appreciates REAL musicianship. And I don't know how you can say Guthrie has no feel. You obviously haven't listened to his album. Rofl. I am a real musician. And I know damn right what it takes for a real musician to be respected and known in a community. My friend you have a lot to learn before you start advocating some obscure solo guitarist. I'll say again that there's a lot more to being an entertainer than showing off to a obscene (Youtube) community your finger dancing abilities. People would up their noses at you and throw empty bottles at you if you actually got up on a stage and started shredding aimlessly to a backing track. You need to gain yourself a name in the community first, and I'm telling you now, Guthrie will never have a name the rate he's going. Anyways, if you understood where I was coming from in the first place, you'd understand that Guthrie lacks the most important factors in gaining respect in a musical perspective.
Jer Flip Posted September 21, 2008 Author Report Posted September 21, 2008 Rofl. I am a real musician. And I know damn right what it takes for a real musician to be respected and known in a community. My friend you have a lot to learn before you start advocating some obscure solo guitarist. I'll say again that there's a lot more to being an entertainer than showing off to a obscene (Youtube) community your finger dancing abilities. People would up their noses at you and throw empty bottles at you if you actually got up on a stage and started shredding aimlessly to a backing track. You need to gain yourself a name in the community first, and I'm telling you now, Guthrie will never have a name the rate he's going. Anyways, if you understood where I was coming from in the first place, you'd understand that Guthrie lacks the most important factors in gaining respect in a musical perspective. Guthrie is by no means "obscure", and he isn't the one posting these videos. He was hired by a backing track company to demo their tracks. Again, your ignorance leaves me flabbergast. Guthrie has been performing for years and years, and is listed among the ranks of Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, and other world-class guitarists. He is a pioneer of jazz fusion. In fact, Satriani praised Guthrie on many occasions, calling him an "amazing guitarist". As far as what you said about "shredding aimlessly", I doubt you'd say that about Vai or Satch or Gilbert. Why say it about Guthrie? Because you haven't heard of him? Fuck off. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_QMxVemDBQ...feature=related On a side note, he has been a guitar teacher and has played for a few obscure bands for most of his career. Guthrie's solo album, released in 2006, sparked a bit of recognition for him.
Terminus Posted September 21, 2008 Report Posted September 21, 2008 Slash was on Guitar Hero. Guthrie wasn't. Slash wrote a song 21 years ago and it's still badass + it's a classic. Guthrie? Never heard of him 'till now. Oh, and please, Buckethead is good and all, but he doesn't have that soul feel to his music. I prefer Slash over Buckethead anyday. Oh, and Buckethead seems to be a bit messed in the head imo.
Jer Flip Posted September 21, 2008 Author Report Posted September 21, 2008 Slash was on Guitar Hero. If we go by that logic, Slipknot and My Chemical Romance are the best bands evar, because they were on Guitar Hero. Come on, stop being an ignorant prick. Being on a video game doesn't prove anything other than mass-appeal to a large crowd of fanboys.
Terminus Posted September 21, 2008 Report Posted September 21, 2008 If we go by that logic, Slipknot and My Chemical Romance are the best bands evar, because they were on Guitar Hero. Come on, stop being an ignorant prick. Being on a video game doesn't prove anything other than mass-appeal to a large crowd of fanboys. I meant he was a playable character on Guitar Hero. Anyways, think of it this way. Slash played around with a riff and it became a hit song. It is probably the most famous song by GnR (imo) and was written in 5 mins. Beat that.
Jer Flip Posted September 21, 2008 Author Report Posted September 21, 2008 I meant he was a playable character on Guitar Hero. Anyways, think of it this way. Slash played around with a riff and it became a hit song. It is probably the most famous song by GnR (imo) and was written in 5 mins. Beat that. You're pretty much missing the whole point. It's not about how fast one can write a song, or about how famous one is. Either listen to Guthrie's album and compare it unbiasedly with Slash (without the precept of Slash being famous and awesome) or don't comment on Guthrie at all.
Terminus Posted September 22, 2008 Report Posted September 22, 2008 Guthrie Govan. Discuss. You did say discuss. You didn't say whether or not we can discuss negative comments or positive comments on it.
Jer Flip Posted September 22, 2008 Author Report Posted September 22, 2008 You did say discuss. You didn't say whether or not we can discuss negative comments or positive comments on it. Oh. I meant: Guthrie Govan. Discuss. Not: This is a debate about who is or isn't the best guitarist in the world.
Terminus Posted September 22, 2008 Report Posted September 22, 2008 From the topic of "Most Amazing Guitarist Alive", and "Discuss", I think you wanted us to discuss on Guthrie Govan, which, from your own topic title, you depicted him as the most amazing (or seeing how you defended him so much) or "greatest" guitarist alive. Furthermore, you included even more guitarists and added the fact that they were also quite dominant over Slash. Still, you continued to be "ignorant" that Guthrie Govan was infact, the most amazing guitarist alive, and called me ignorant? You also asked me to compare Guthrie Govan's work with Slash's. If you know anything about metal, which you seemingly seem to know less every post, you would know each band or artist has their own unique or distictive sound. It is also more about personal tastes than you saying "zomg this guitarist iz bettar becuz he can do dis with his tongue". Oh, and yes, I do prefer Slash over Guthrie Govan even if Slash was not famous. I love his blues inspired sound and soul that's felt in the melodies. When I listen to Guthrie Govan, I feel the sound, but I don't feel the soul. I find his music just "fuck yeah shread that guitar". Still, it is all due to personal tastes. But, I still wonder how Slash managed to become so famous in the first place. He was famous in the 80's, which was the best time in the world to live in. Unlike now, with shit like the Jonas Brothers. If Guthrie Govan is the best for you, so be it. Slash is the best for me.
Jer Flip Posted September 22, 2008 Author Report Posted September 22, 2008 From the topic of "Most Amazing Guitarist Alive", and "Discuss", I think you wanted us to discuss on Guthrie Govan, which, from your own topic title, you depicted him as the most amazing (or seeing how you defended him so much) or "greatest" guitarist alive. Furthermore, you included even more guitarists and added the fact that they were also quite dominant over Slash. You replied to my topic with something to the effect of Slash being the best guitarist in the world. I named a handful of guitarists who are technically more proficient and who have more freedom on the fretboard. You fail to realize that by contesting my point, you were entering a debate. Still, you continued to be "ignorant" that Guthrie Govan was infact, the most amazing guitarist alive, and called me ignorant? I called you ignorant because you used the fact that Slash is on Guitar Hero as an argument for him being the best guitarist ever. I think even you realize this is quite a moot point. You also asked me to compare Guthrie Govan's work with Slash's. If you know anything about metal, which you seemingly seem to know less every post, you would know each band or artist has their own unique or distictive sound. It is also more about personal tastes than you saying "zomg this guitarist iz bettar becuz he can do dis with his tongue". I know more about metal than you ever will, my friend. It's about personal tastes? NO WAY. I never would have guessed! I applaud you for informing me, because all along, I thought that everything I state is FACT. Oh, and yes, I do prefer Slash over Guthrie Govan even if Slash was not famous. I love his blues inspired sound and soul that's felt in the melodies. When I listen to Guthrie Govan, I feel the sound, but I don't feel the soul. I find his music just "fuck yeah shread that guitar". Still, it is all due to personal tastes. But, I still wonder how Slash managed to become so famous in the first place. He was famous in the 80's, which was the best time in the world to live in. Unlike now, with shit like the Jonas Brothers. If Guthrie Govan is the best for you, so be it. Slash is the best for me. I pretty much agree. The music industry signs bands based on marketability, not talent. This is why the Jonas Brothers and Avril Lavigne are famous (appealing to the average teenager crowd) while bands like An Endless Sporadic, Behold... the Arctopus, Theory in Practice, Psycroptic, etc. (the list could go on for quite a while) do not become famous, even though they have overflowing amounts of talent.
Terminus Posted September 23, 2008 Report Posted September 23, 2008 You replied to my topic with something to the effect of Slash being the best guitarist in the world. I named a handful of guitarists who are technically more proficient and who have more freedom on the fretboard. You fail to realize that by contesting my point, you were entering a debate. I called you ignorant because you used the fact that Slash is on Guitar Hero as an argument for him being the best guitarist ever. I think even you realize this is quite a moot point. I know more about metal than you ever will, my friend. It's about personal tastes? NO WAY. I never would have guessed! I applaud you for informing me, because all along, I thought that everything I state is FACT. I pretty much agree. The music industry signs bands based on marketability, not talent. This is why the Jonas Brothers and Avril Lavigne are famous (appealing to the average teenager crowd) while bands like An Endless Sporadic, Behold... the Arctopus, Theory in Practice, Psycroptic, etc. (the list could go on for quite a while) do not become famous, even though they have overflowing amounts of talent. Well, let's list things down to make this more organized. 1. Yes, I did have the impression of Slash as the most amazing guitarist in the world. Which was why I said it with an IMO. However, just because you replied to myself like that, you admitted that you have contradicted yourself in saying "This is a debate about who is or isn't the best guitarist in the world." If you dismiss it, then you are further provoking the topic of debating between the best guitarist in the world. 2. Debate? Yes, I know, it's a discussion about who's the best guitarist. 3. Yeah, I used Guitar Hero as an example to show how famous his riffs and his style has brought upon himself. It's an accolade that I felt most deserving for his image to be modeled in e-history. I also used an example of how he wrote a hit song in 5 mins. You can take something like how Guthrie can play a riff on Youtube and use it your arguement too. 4. Prove it. 5. If you so called claimed it as taste than fact, then almost all your posts would be invalid, since they all have suggestions that state a fact, rather than taste. For example, "Guthrie is by no means "obscure", and he isn't the one posting these videos. He was hired by a backing track company to demo their tracks." 6. Nothing to comment here. 7. You are somewhat wrong in that sense. It's probably your wording but I get what you're saying. If I go by that logic, then wouldn't that mean that ALL bands that are signed are suposingly not talented? Does that mean Psycroptic is not talented? They are signed. Atleast, that's what it said on their myspace. Still, all bands that are signed are noted on marketability and their music. If they sell, that means they are probably good or can appeal to a certain group of people. Take Slayer for example; they are good, play good music, and sells. They have talent.
Fluxy Posted September 23, 2008 Report Posted September 23, 2008 I know more about metal than you ever will, my friend. And your calling us ignorant? Roflwaffle. The music industry signs bands based on marketability, not talent. This is why the Jonas Brothers and Avril Lavigne are famous (appealing to the average teenager crowd) while bands like An Endless Sporadic, Behold... the Arctopus, Theory in Practice, Psycroptic, etc. (the list could go on for quite a while) do not become famous, even though they have overflowing amounts of talent. Don't use such broad terms unless you want to be pwned in the face. What you said is just complete and utter bullshit. I don't even need to decipher... Unless you really want me to start listing bands...
Jer Flip Posted September 23, 2008 Author Report Posted September 23, 2008 Well, let's list things down to make this more organized. 1. Yes, I did have the impression of Slash as the most amazing guitarist in the world. Which was why I said it with an IMO. However, just because you replied to myself like that, you admitted that you have contradicted yourself in saying "This is a debate about who is or isn't the best guitarist in the world." If you dismiss it, then you are further provoking the topic of debating between the best guitarist in the world. The topic was originally meant to be a discussion about Guthrie Govan. However, you stated that Slash is the best guitarist in the world, turning this discussion into a debate. 2. Debate? Yes, I know, it's a discussion about who's the best guitarist. Read the aforementioned statement. 3. Yeah, I used Guitar Hero as an example to show how famous his riffs and his style has brought upon himself. It's an accolade that I felt most deserving for his image to be modeled in e-history. I also used an example of how he wrote a hit song in 5 mins. You can take something like how Guthrie can play a riff on Youtube and use it your arguement too. All the things you mention are moot points, as they don't really prove anything about the musician's proficiency. Your loss, it only makes your argumentation less pertinent. 4. Prove it. Sorry, but I don't feel like writing up how metal started, what characterizes every metal subgenre, etc. 5. If you so called claimed it as taste than fact, then almost all your posts would be invalid, since they all have suggestions that state a fact, rather than taste. For example, "Guthrie is by no means "obscure", and he isn't the one posting these videos. He was hired by a backing track company to demo their tracks." Are you really that stupid? "Slash is the best guitarist in the world." "Guthrie Govan is the best guitarist in the world." Those are opinions. "Guthrie is by no means "obscure", and he isn't the one posting these videos. He was hired by a backing track company to demo their tracks." "Joe Satriani called Guthrie Govan an amazing guitarist." Those are facts that I used to point out Fluxy's ignorant and blatant lies (about Guthrie being "some obscure guitarist" and so forth). 6. Nothing to comment here. Nothing to comment here. 7. You are somewhat wrong in that sense. It's probably your wording but I get what you're saying. If I go by that logic, then wouldn't that mean that ALL bands that are signed are suposingly not talented? Does that mean Psycroptic is not talented? They are signed. Atleast, that's what it said on their myspace. Still, all bands that are signed are noted on marketability and their music. If they sell, that means they are probably good or can appeal to a certain group of people. Take Slayer for example; they are good, play good music, and sells. They have talent. I didn't know Psycroptic was signed. I mostly listen to their older stuff and prefer it over the new. And sure, there are exceptions. I'm talking about pop music (a.k.a. MTV music). And your calling us ignorant? Roflwaffle. Yes, I believe saying blatant lies about a guitarist you know nothing about labels you as "ignorant". Also, I told Terminus to "stop being an ignorant prick" or something along those lines because he used Slash's appearance on GH3 as proof of him being the best guitarist in the world. I think he and I both know this isn't a very good argument compared to, for example, saying he's one of the most influential guitarists of rock music. Don't use such broad terms unless you want to be pwned in the face. What you said is just complete and utter bullshit. I don't even need to decipher... Unless you really want me to start listing bands... I perhaps didn't word it out correctly, as previously stated, but no, it isn't complete and utter bullshit.
Fluxy Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 Yes, I believe saying blatant lies about a guitarist you know nothing about labels you as "ignorant". What'd I lie about? Also, I told Terminus to "stop being an ignorant prick" or something along those lines because he used Slash's appearance on GH3 as proof of him being the best guitarist in the world. I think he and I both know this isn't a very good argument compared to, for example, saying he's one of the most influential guitarists of rock music. Define to me.. Being the most amazing guitarist in the world? You seem so assured and confident on your basis that it's near impossible for others to have an opinion. Maybe you should stop being so arrogant and selfish and take into account that some people have different opinions to you and you need to respect that. I perhaps didn't word it out correctly, as previously stated, but no, it isn't complete and utter bullshit. For the most part it is.
Terminus Posted September 24, 2008 Report Posted September 24, 2008 The topic was originally meant to be a discussion about Guthrie Govan. However, you stated that Slash is the best guitarist in the world, turning this discussion into a debate. Read the aforementioned statement. All the things you mention are moot points, as they don't really prove anything about the musician's proficiency. Your loss, it only makes your argumentation less pertinent. Sorry, but I don't feel like writing up how metal started, what characterizes every metal subgenre, etc. Are you really that stupid? "Slash is the best guitarist in the world." "Guthrie Govan is the best guitarist in the world." Those are opinions. "Guthrie is by no means "obscure", and he isn't the one posting these videos. He was hired by a backing track company to demo their tracks." "Joe Satriani called Guthrie Govan an amazing guitarist." Those are facts that I used to point out Fluxy's ignorant and blatant lies (about Guthrie being "some obscure guitarist" and so forth). Nothing to comment here. I didn't know Psycroptic was signed. I mostly listen to their older stuff and prefer it over the new. And sure, there are exceptions. I'm talking about pop music (a.k.a. MTV music). Yes, I believe saying blatant lies about a guitarist you know nothing about labels you as "ignorant". Also, I told Terminus to "stop being an ignorant prick" or something along those lines because he used Slash's appearance on GH3 as proof of him being the best guitarist in the world. I think he and I both know this isn't a very good argument compared to, for example, saying he's one of the most influential guitarists of rock music. I perhaps didn't word it out correctly, as previously stated, but no, it isn't complete and utter bullshit. Change the first post then. Your arguement itself has no pertiency if you continually go off-topic from Guthrie alone to generally saying this is a debate and separating yourself to other topics (such as pop music). Everyone can Wikipedia or Google. Real proof? I don't think so. If what you said is true as an opinion, then this entire topic is an opinion, not a fact. Thus, almost all your posts are opinions as well. Also, "Joe Satriani called Guthrie Govan an amazing guitarist". Yeah, sure, you can ask many musicians saying that so and so is an amazing guitarist. You can probably even get Joe Satriani to say Slash is an amazing guitarist. I can even say Slash is an amazing guitarist. Dude, that's Joe Satriani's opinion, it's not a fact. Furthermore, quit using "used Slash's appearance on GH3 as proof of him being the best guitarist in the world" as a way to single my arguement. I used Guitar Hero as an example, not as the example. I also said that he made songs that are loved for decades, and I've never heard of Joe Satriani. Fame speaks a bit still, at least in the metal industry. "You are somewhat wrong in that sense. It's probably your wording but I get what you're saying. If I go by that logic, then wouldn't that mean that ALL bands that are signed are suposingly not talented? Does that mean Psycroptic is not talented? They are signed. Atleast, that's what it said on their myspace. Still, all bands that are signed are noted on marketability and their music. If they sell, that means they are probably good or can appeal to a certain group of people. Take Slayer for example; they are good, play good music, and sells. They have talent. " I can reuse this since you only took out one part that contradicted your statement. The rest is still a fighting arguement.
