NURF GTB

[Dreamline]

Ok, so the idea of no GTB being in there is a scary thought. Yes, high wizards will be useful again and coma will be used more useful. It seems obvious that people would rather have an overpowered card that makes a full class useless as well as protects against an overpowered spell (to be honest coma is annoying). I don't blame them; it kills two birds with one stone.

Think about it though; wizards cant be used at all for pvp, especially for LMS events or even just regular outdoor duels. As soon as the spell goes off people are equipping their shields and that's that. A hunter can just fist a high wiz down after that...nothing a wizard can do about it.

So what is more important...complaints that coma cant be protected against? I would argue very few people even knew it protected against that, and most people would rather take the 1/1000 (with edge) chance and have up a reduction shield instead. The real fear is that High Wizards can be used again as a key part in pvp rather then shield of storm gust until they are 1 hit ko'd by the nearest moving target. High wizards are terrible MvP even when properly geared since most MVPs are resistant to most spells. Their real only use right now is farming in the forsaken dungeon, and even then most other classes are just as good.

So why can't we consider nurfing the card, making it less powerful and still potentially useful. Yes, the game schematics are very tightly tuned, and its hard to move or touch anything without having a backlash. Cards like ifrit, tao, and others have been nurfed down and still provide useful; I am asking for the same to be considered for GTB.

It will not be an easy victory, and it will be an even hard change to adapt to, but a game with such strong one sided features needs to be reviewed and fixed. Nothing is perfect, yet the pros outweigh the cons on this issue. Review and change the GTB card, and allow a class that was once useful and amazing to be allowed to rise once again to its proper place in the game of Ragnarok.

Consider the change, and start the revolution for a better, stronger, and more fair server.

~Dream

[Terroryst]

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[Crack Baby]

I have a level 255 wizard with NO EQUIPS on, yeah, I said wizard, not high wizard. Ulti MVP's while I take care of the mob on her when needed and it works out just fine. Withith the card nurfed, mage class will be overpowered (Unless the card blocks more than half of the damage.) I'm not talking out of my ass, I was on a server before where the card was nurfed, and what do you know, mages did become over powered.

Not everyone has a GTB. Who seriously uses just a mage to MVP any of the MVP's, and who would honestly use one in LMS when their def is pure shit anyway?

And theres something else you have to think of. Some people donated real money to get the GTB as is. How would it be fair to them to nurf something they have already paid for and expect a certain result from?

Yeah, and what Nitemare92 posted.

[Dreamline]

First off, the server claims that there are no rewards for donations. Those who donate do it for their care of the server. With that creed in mine, why would it matter that an overpowered card got nurfed? I completely dissagree with donating for items anyway, but it keeps the server up and I am thankful for that~ thats a different discussion though.

Ok, first, you dont want high defense in pvp. Its obviouslly known that thana or an icepick will kill you to begin with.

Second, the idea that you cannot even attack certain people is a nullifying idea. You walk outside and try to attack the theif on you but guess what, there is no way your character can ever kill him.

Third, High Wizards are not overpowered, and have never been overpowered. They have very low life, can only cater to elements that are not being resisted, and are quite frankly very easy kills.

Finally, my argument is that High wizards should have a fighting chance in events, not even in MVP (even though 25k per sec of SG = 36 minutes to do 50mil assuming it doesnt move and it is 250% weakness vs it). GTB strips that all away. In a group of people, all it takes is one person with that card to take a wizard out in a hit or two. So the idea that a few use it really does hold a lot of weight in pvp. As long as theres one, you cannot win as long as he is your opponate.

So, your "not talking out of your ass" is not a valid argument. I already told the GMs that the forums are favored toward donations, they disagreed. Lets hold their creed about this game being fair for everyone and that everyone is treated the same. GTB is an overpowered card that nurfs a class and gives them no chance of victory.

Instead of worrying about losing your GTB, think about the gain of a whole new class, one that can be used in pvp and a class that could potentially be seen a bit more around the server.

think about change toward a more fair server,

~Dream

[Crack Baby]

Urm...seeing how the idea of nurfing the GTB has been discussed, with negative replies, I'm not even going to get into this anymore.
But I will say, if you hate it so much, and so many people on the server disagree with you, just go to another server that fits what you want......

For example, since I don't like this particular servers WOE, I'll be doing that on a different server, but since I have friends here, I'm staying.

And with a completely nurfed GTB, yes, mages do become over powered.
I like it how is.

I personally didn't donate for my GTB, but, people have donated for said item, and to change what they paid for is complete BS.

Again, if you don't like it, just, you know, gtfo *shrugs*

[Dreamline]

The whole server took a poll; most people did not even get a fair chance of using it since the time was so short. The votes were close. So think of the 98% who dont use wizards and about 46% of them voting for the change? I guess not?

Then again, it seems like the idea goes as this: As long as I have it I want it, or if it hurts my class in any way (practically the 98% who are not wizards) I want it. That seems very fair? Also, I never asked for you to leave, this is not about you in any way. Its about making a class useful again.

If your input is not going to reflect the idea of this forum please refrain from putting negative slander. I wish to promote the idea.

GTB is overpowered, very much so. I will reemphasize that wizards are not overpowered, ice lance and sacrifice do just as much as a JT except for the fact that wizards are down the 100k+ life.

So lets keep this thread slander free and focused on the change. Wizards need to be useful again as a class. Thats near impossible with GTB around.

~Dream

[Dreamline]

And if you read the title crack (just scroll up a bit please and read it....thats right, let it sink in), I never said fully nurf. No need to edit bro, just keep posting, its less sly.

[Crack Baby]

I did in fact reflect the idea of the forum. You just didn't like what I had to say.

I expressed my personal opinions on the matter, and if people don't come to the forums to take polls, whos fault is that?

GTB is fine the way it is, most people do have at least one wizard, but how many do you see that actually use them as a main? And what percentage of people do you think would have their mages become mains if the card was nurfed?

I personally use mine to farm crap in bulk. I hate mage class, ugh, almost as much as I hate sinx, but that's a different subject.

But I guess this was all started for people who love mage class, can't get enough, and are pissed about the GTB.

Come is a cheap skill, as are most of the skills mages use that are AoE.

One more thing, even if the GTB was nurfed to lets say 50%, theres this thing called an unfrozen, and then there are the yggs, oh, and don't forget Maya, so, yeah, mages are screwed anyway you look at it. All it takes is a couple seconds of freedom and your ass is grass, so to speak. Night, won't be coming back to this thread so, if you have anything else to say in reply to anything I've posted, feel free to mail me on here.

Also, to the right there is this thing that says Edit. Learn to love that button ^^