Where to draw the line?

[Domremy!]

What? Then elaborate. What do I not get.

[Ryoji]

To put it simply, the world works in balance.

Like it or not..

Every +1 Person that likes your idea

You are almost always garuntee'd +1 Person who hates your idea

Thus why this topic is pointless.

As much as you promote this, you also negatively put this topic into a different perspective.

So why not take two seconds out, close the topic, go make a new suggestions page about adding a chat filter, and see what you get from there. Not keeping a thread alive that insists on borderlining ignorance of race, sex, etc..

People have their own opinions, and an optional chat filter is fine with me. But the point is...

you're posting about it the wrong way

[Domremy!]

You're right, Ryoji. Optional Chat filter, brilliant idea and would solve many problems.

That's it.

[Ryoji]

You're right, Ryoji. Optional Chat filter, brilliant idea and would solve many problems.

That's it.

Now just go make a new topic about it, so it's more appropriate to the subject off hand.

Then poll it like someone logically would do, and see what the majority would want...

If your evidence is convincing enough, Genesis will usually take over from there

[Cure]

VapoRub, what you said makes no sense whatsoever.

Alright, men may support women's rights. But do you see them bashing at others that don't support it?

You are not of the race insult therefor you shouldn't even bother with it. It's quite racist thinking that the term offends the race, you basically are thinking that they're too weak to handle it. Sometimes, you have to mind your business. If it was there war then they wouldn't be calling eachother Niggas all the time. Don't tell me you'd yell at a black person for saying nigga to their best friend.

I wouldn't necessarily say bashing, but I do see men arguing with other men who do not support women's rights. It's actually very important that they did. If there wasn't a man to support a women during times when a woman's opinion would have been disregarded, women wouldn't have the rights that they have today, now would they? You can't solve issues single handedly, you need both sides to cooperate.

If we all minded our own business, things would just continue to be the way they are. Sometimes speaking out does help. You don't need to accept the "harsh reality" of how things are. Every argument counts. Thinking like that just greatens racial divides.

I have plenty of black friends and I don't YELL at them but I definitely say "Um, why?" when they refer to each other as nigga's. I think it's a very demeaning word to call your friend, and like Vaporub said there's better words to use.

[Ryoji]

I have plenty of black friends and I don't YELL at them but I definitely say "Um, why?" when they refer to each other as nigga's. I think it's a very demeaning word to call your friend, and like Vaporub said there's better words to use.

Opinion, no one has any specific right to say what is

unacceptable or intolerent in terms of speech, language, or culture...

You don't like it? That's you then. Not for you to decide for everyone else.

^_~

[Domremy!]

Yup. Exactly. If you're being called the word, it's an entirely different story. Just ask them to stop. But if the friend doesn't mind, big deal. Let them do what they want.

[Icon]

wasn't this thread closed at the request of the thread starter?

but yet, after it was re-opened the topic starter has yet to post.

heres another opinion, it looks like it was reopened to entrap

mike and give him that last little 10% he needed to be banned.

'My nigga' ... could be viewed as a term of endearment

'WTF' ......... should we censor this? we all know what it means

I'm convinced this thread has offered up all the positive suggestions that it's going to get.

It just seems redundant to argue any more points.

Making a new thread about individual suggestions/complaints seems the way to go since

there is no feasible place to draw a line.

I think the best you're going to get out of all this is just a few basic guildlines, like the ones

Zeit stated.

I honestly believe that's as good as it gets.

[Jewel]

Let me just reinterate that this topic was not started so people could bicker over whether or not it's right to use certain words. There's a bigger issue here whether or not some people can see that.

Regardless of what anyone says, there is no such thing as "Freedom of Speech" on private servers... not how it was intended in the Bill of Rights, anyway. When it comes down to the pin point issue, if you somehow "crossed the line" and Genesis or Zeitgeist banned you, that would be it. You couldn't throw out the "Freedom of Speech" ticket. You wouldn't be repremanded. You'd be banned. And that's how it would stay. Why? Because when you join a server you give your GUARANTEE that you'll comply with the Terms of Service ( which includes "based on their judgement" ). Even so, if you violate a rule that isn't listed... you can still be banned. Why? Because this server BELONGS to a human being that has their OWN ideas and morals. And who is anyone to say what Genesis can and can't do with THIS server?

And before Genesis says "No, this server is community run". No it's not. Sure, we're a democracy and people are allowed to have their opinions taken into consideration.. but when it comes right down to that fine line, Genesis is the final say. Word it however you want, but that's what it comes down to. Right to the T.

REGARDLESS - the point of the rule was to discuss the RULE AT HAND, not your need to call eachother "nigger" even though the term has been deemed offensive for ages.

If you WERE to take a poll, most of the server wouldn't vote. Why? Because a lot of members play without bothering with the forums. Making a forum poll completely moot. And even if you did take a poll, it's not the majority we're considering here. The majority doesn't care what is said to them, or what people talk about and could care less about who is harmed and who isn't. Parents and younger, influencable children do.

Then again, when it comes to caring about others, I wouldn't expect Damascus or anyone on the internet with that attitude to step up and be a big boy about it.

And Ryoji, adding a claus to the TOS that STATES there may be content that is not suitable for children is not that hard to do. It has been done on many servers. Btw, the server that Genesis is pretty jealous of has several rules stating what is acceptable and what isn't. This includes racial slurs, sexual content AND anything that is offensive to other players. Keep in mind this server has 1600+ players, has been THRIVING for years and is doing completely fine.

Said server's exact rule regarding offensive language:

A player may not at any point in time use language offensive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable. Nor can each player relate conversation to any mention of drugs, sex, alcohol, or criminal activity.

There is NO argument when it comes to rules. I hope to god Genesis sees this part. What he says goes, you don't like it? Play another server. Play EcchiRO. Run around naked with pedophiles all day. Maybe that's where you belong if you can't have an ounce of compassion for your younger generation.

AN FOR CLARIFICATION ICON - I requested: "I would like all of Damascus' off topic posts to be deleted or this thread to be closed." Mezri deleted the off topic comments and edited my post to get rid of it. THEN, Godrevy saw "I'd like this topic to be closed." and closed it. I requested it be re-opened. Not entrapment. I'm not responsible for his actions.

[Fanen]

Rofl, this is pure flame bait or ego boost. To clearify, the purpose of this thread was fulfill a long time ago. This is stupid how people pull four-pages filled with what i called "rant". I didn't read it anyways, except Jewel's original post and wall of text she posted.

As I said before, the line is drew between saying it public and private(aka a small group or within a guild). If broadcast, report it. And even if you have chat filter, what can that do? More work for the GMs and more ways for people to get around it. Not to mention how annoying it is. QQ more plz.

And it seems like theres a war going on between Dama and Jewel AND YES, THE MODS. The mods are seemingly siding and deleting posts. This is chao, deleting posts rather than closing the thread was pure genious.

+1 ego boost for me.

Oh wait, nvm, this has been changed from not saying it to seein it. Read the text above and press the restart button. xD lol.

WALL OF TEXT ftw.

[Ryoji]

Extensive Begging (to continuously ask for something(s) and annoying others around you):

People like to aid those who can aid themselves. The community likes to help you improve, not to be your underpaid teachers.

First offense:

-5 minute mute

Second offense:

-1 hour jail

Third offense:

-3 hour jail

Fourth offense:

-1 day ban

Fifth offense:

-Will vary on Game Master's criteria. (note: One week ban will be discussed.)

Other-Server Advertisement (to advertise a server unrelated to ForsakenRO's network):

We do not pay for bandwidth so you can advertise your server(s). It's that simple. Please note that your IP address will be delivered to the advertised server's Game Master team, so a punishment is enforced in both servers. This is, of course, in our best efforts to prevent any type of server advertising.

First offense:

-Jail time, varies depending on situation.

Second offense:

-Account ban

Third offense:

-IP/Universal account ban

Pointless topics: (Take all your random stuff to the off-topic forum, please)

First offense:

-10% warn.

-Closed topic.

Second offense:

-10% warn.

-24 hour restriction.

-Closed topic.

Reviving old topics: (Please, read what the date is before you type.)

First offense:

-10% Warn.

-Topic closed.

Second offense:

-10% Warn.

-3 day posting restriction.

-Topic closed.

Ok, now. I see no good evidence from you to unsupport my claims there just as you do your own.

So...if you basically want to say gtfo to anyone who would disagree with you I'd be more then happy to create threads counter-acting this one and any and all posts from you would be regarded as spam and harassment.

Now, lets handle this like mature adults. =]