Where to draw the line?

[Whyte Rose]

So I don't agree with you Whyte, I find this topic immensely helpful.

Without this topic and discussions like this, how could we begin to understand how each other and how the community feels about it?

I'm not saying it shouldn't be discussed but as soon as you think you've come to an accepted opinion, there will be someone that won't agree and you'll have to start climbing all over again.

Right, you're right. I find this topic helpful as I stated and it is necessary to see how the players actually do feel. The only thing I disagree with about this is drawing this weird line on what is okay to say and what isn't. This is a valid topic but I just think that its going to keep going and going. If we draw the line here and close this topic, then someone is going to question the line in another and so on and so on. And I'm also not saying that people should stop reporting things they feel are inappropriate. I'm saying that people should really rely on the GMs to assist them.

[Jewel]

I'm not saying that there needs to be a complete list of EXACTLY what is and is not okay. A bit of guideline would help. And I'm not only saying this for members, but for GMs too. Not all GMs and Mods are 100% on what is okay and what isn't. And if they don't completely understand the rules, how can we? And how can they be expected to uphold them?

[Icon]

Not all GMs and Mods are 100% on what is okay and what isn't. And if they don't completely understand the rules, how can we?

If they don't understand the rules, they shouldn't be GM's.

LOL maybe that should be included in the GM applications... PLEASE know the rules of

the game before you apply ... don't apply just to hang with your friends or your in-game

husband(you know who this is aimed at). What happened to GM anonymity? Brand new

GM's/Mod's and most everyone already knows who they are? I know it's nothing crucial but

it helps if the GM's attempt this anonymous thing, I mean, at least for a week

or even a day. How can you expect to enforce the rules if the person you're scolding has

seen you in-game on your legit doing exactly the same thing.

I don't think this is off-topic because it has to do with other rules and where to draw

their line as well.

@chat filters- if, hmm that if isn't big enough, IFchat filters were ever enabled

just make sure you put them on the server side because they're easily disabled from the client side

p.s. i like titties

[Impulse]

some of the newer GMs, imo are too young.

maybe thats why they couldn't keep their anonymity. one thing will lead to another.

[Jewel]

I already said if one were to be put in, it should have a disable and enable feature. That doesn't work for you? If it would mean younger players could play without being influenced by certain things, then why not?

And if you're following the rules, the chat filter probably wouldn't affect you anyway, eh? But eh.. we already know you don't. So anyways.

Icon, I do agree with you. I think a lot of the GMs are young... and their priorities are a little whacked, but hey? What can we do?

[Terminus]

If they don't understand the rules, they shouldn't be GM's.

LOL maybe that should be included in the GM applications... PLEASE know the rules of

the game before you apply ... don't apply just to hang with your friends or your in-game

husband(you know who this is aimed at). What happened to GM anonymity? Brand new

GM's/Mod's and most everyone already knows who they are? I know it's nothing crucial but

it helps if the GM's attempt this anonymous thing, I mean, at least for a week

or even a day. How can you expect to enforce the rules if the person you're scolding has

seen you in-game on your legit doing exactly the same thing.

I don't think this is off-topic because it has to do with other rules and where to draw

their line as well.

@chat filters- if, hmm that if isn't big enough, IFchat filters were ever enabled

just make sure you put them on the server side because they're easily disabled from the client side

p.s. i like titties

What I dislike about the GM applications is that when you apply, they ask you to remain anonymous as a requirement of being a GM. I find that if your identity is figured out by telling someone, then they don't deserve to stay on the GM team for breaking their single most important rule. Also, placing chat filters VIA server side would not be exactly good, since it would probably be global and I don't think there's a way to make it specifically for each person to enable and disable. However, if it's client side, we can always make ForsakenRO target a specific program and disallow custom hexing.

Before posting consider some network etiquette (Netiquette):

You NEVER know who you're talking to, the person who said they are 30 could really be 15.

What is ok in your house might not be ok with someone else.

Embarresing yourself in public does not make you cool. :P

Making other people look stupid does not make you look smart!

And, flaming some little gamer does not make you any tougher.

"Cogito, ergo sum."

[Icon]

We got all these cool quotes to use ... after that we started to go nowhere.

:D

"Keep it PG-13"

"Your mom would not be proud of what you just said"

"Every time you say [word] God kills a poring"

We all know the 'Golden Rule', don't we?

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

(words to live by)

And let's not forget the 'Silver Rule' .... Eye for an Eye. /heh

(these are NOT words to live by....... all the time)

[Crack Baby]

Ok, I've read through this entire thing. And this is all I have to say on the matter. You can respond to my post if you'd like, but this in no way implies that I will respond back to you.

Chat filters aren't the devil, but if they are implemented I would hope we would be able to turn them on or off. Let me clarify. Instead of disallowing you to write the word "fuck" it would show up on the screen as a series of asterisks "****", IF you have the chat filter enabled. Anyone without the filter enabled would plainly see the word"fuck"

I'm all about free speech. (I've been suspended from other games for talking about politics/religion in a very liberal way.) So filtering someones statements isn't really right in my opinion, instead, just give the them the choice to enable or disable the filter. And sure, people can live without curse words, people can live without candy/infidelity/god as well, but it all comes down to personal preference.

And for the record, all the little kiddies jumping on Fro are so not innocent, I got cursed out by a 10 year old a couple days ago. It didn't bother me, I just laughed, it's all just words. I don't get offended by the "N" word, and I'm African American. I would rather not allow someone to control my state of mind by spouting off a few lines.

Thanks, that is all.

[Fanen]

Rofl, my post is deleted. Can I know why? I thought I hit on the Q, no spam, no offense, etc.

[ramonjordan]

I think that we should watch what we say

but also we have a right to freedom of speech.

only when words that include the lewd and obscene, the profane, the libelous,

and the insulting or “fighting†words are used can we be

held accountable for our words the only way to be protected under the

first amendment is if we are criticizing a government official or someone else with

a reasonable reason so even though we do have a right we have to know how to

use it and not abuse the freedom that we have

so saying the "f" word is not our unalienable right, so censorship is really unrelated to this case

[Icon]

The differentiation between indecent and obscene material is a particularly

difficult one, and a contentious First Amendment issue that has not fully

been settled. Similarly, the level of offense (if any) generated by a profane

word or phrase depends on region, context, and audience.

[Domremy!]

Damascus,

You're taking this all wrong. It's not about "OMG THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME OH WELL."

It's about how some people just don't want to hear it.

Besides. "You're pitiful?"

It's stuff exactly like that, that we're trying to minimalize. Seriously, That's not neccessary.

Control yourself when you say things like that. Kthx.

[Zeitgeist]

Keep the your arguments filled with facts, please. We know it'll be hard to come up with a way to have everyone be satisfied but for this issue to be resolved, this topic is definetively worthwhile.

[Domremy!]

Zeit, you're my hero.

[Sublime]

You all just don't get that this will never be resolved.

People will always be against it, people will always penetrate new rules.

This is a false vision you all seek. This is a lost argument and a lost cause.

This is like asking for world peace, or world hunger to end.

It could happen, but it just won't because not everybody would come to an agreement.

Zeitgeist, you too are only feeding the flame that continues burning against this.

Asking this to continue is worthless. The only reason I'm against this is because it's against the belief of others while swearing itself is against others too. There is no right or wrong in this situation.

I could swear, so could you. The world will continue. It will not end. Stuff shouldn't be taken to the head, if it does, then that's where you fail, not the offender.

Where the hell did the saying ' Sticks and Stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me ' go.

Back then, that used to be the most mature thing to say in a situation in order to not bother replying to the person offending you, now, it just faded? Died out?

Yeah, Damascus is banned.

But no matter what I could just use Proxies, Neighbor's computers, false Identifications, New IPs etc.. and continue here.

I fall, trying to make you all realize what the truth is so you'd maybe grow up and face reality.

[Ryoji]

Actually, I'm going to go against my nature and completely agree with

Damascas on this one so far.

I think there should be something done to enforce this rule,

but I think people are looking at it from different ways.

I think offensive language that was asked to stop by a player should be punishable,

or comments that were pointless.

Including for the sole purpose of insulting another player's feelings.

Etc...It's flaming for the point of flaming that should be punishable. Not the language itself.

Then again, I think no one has the right to also judge on how a race takes offense to specific words like the 'n' word or whatever regardless of your color or race. That itself is racism for judging a different culture other then your own. So why not just leave it down to individual preference?

If you really want to censor langauge, then by all means add a filter option.

[Sublime]

Then again, I think no one has the right to also judge on how a race takes offense to specific words like the 'n' word or whatever regardless of your color or race. That itself is racism for judging a different culture other then your own. So why not just leave it down to individual preference?

Now, that was deep.

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But also then here comes when I said, be ignorant every once in a while and ignore anything offensive.

Hey, it didn't physically hurt you right?

A faceless person trillions of miles away from you called you a ' Bitch '. So what?

Obviously the person got off on your wrong foot, obviously the person doesn't know you in real life, and obviously the person can't do anything else.

Absolutely everybody that could socialize with others and have friends, could too be yours. You just have to change the flow of your average personality every now and then to be able to blend in to their liking.

You'd say ' Someone should like me for how I am ', but no. They won't if they don't. If you don't want to be against them all your life, then change with them if they refuse to change. You'd probably then say ' Why should I change for them? ', you'd change for them to obviously be the bigger person and learn to understand them correctly. Upon understanding them then you could befriend them, and what? +1 pts. for you. Right?

You'll have someone to defend you every now and then even if in exchange you too defend them or correct them when deemed necessary.

[Domremy!]

Actually, I'm going to go against my nature and completely agree with

Damascas on this one so far.

I think there should be something done to enforce this rule,

but I think people are looking at it from different ways.

I think offensive language that was asked to stop by a player should be punishable,

or comments that were pointless.

Including for the sole purpose of insulting another player's feelings.

Etc...It's flaming for the point of flaming that should be punishable. Not the language itself.

Then again, I think no one has the right to also judge on how a race takes offense to specific words like the 'n' word or whatever regardless of your color or race. That itself is racism for judging a different culture other then your own. So why not just leave it down to individual preference?

If you really want to censor langauge, then by all means add a filter option.

That's very true. People are looking at this from all different angles. But I think there's something we all agree on: The flaming and hurting other players could definetly be minimalized.

And sublime,

Don't say that this topic is pointless, because it's not. You yourself said that we see things differently.

There's always room for improvement. That's what we're trying to do here.

[Sublime]

That's very true. People are looking at this from all different angles. But I think there's something we all agree on: The flaming and hurting other players could definetly be minimalized.

And sublime,

Don't say that this topic is pointless, because it's not. You yourself said that we see things differently.

There's always room for improvement. That's what we're trying to do here.

Finally you're openning your mind to reality.

Now focus on these points;

We see things differently so people will be against this and some will be with this.

Some will think that there needs to be improvement, some thing there doesn't need to be any.

Some think something can be done, something think nothing could be done.

This will minimalize absolutely nothing because those against censorship will continue to be against it and will instead break the rules more in order to restore everything to balance.

There has to be a balance between everything. Good and Evil, Fat and Skinny, Big and Small, Smart and Stupid so on and so forth.

VapoRub, what you said makes no sense whatsoever.

Alright, men may support women's rights. But do you see them bashing at others that don't support it?

You are not of the race insult therefor you shouldn't even bother with it. It's quite racist thinking that the term offends the race, you basically are thinking that they're too weak to handle it. Sometimes, you have to mind your business. If it was there war then they wouldn't be calling eachother Niggas all the time. Don't tell me you'd yell at a black person for saying nigga to their best friend.

MY TEXT IS ENTIRELY BOLDED, WTF ):

[Ryoji]

I think Damascas merely meant this topic is pointless on the grounds that many things like this are in debate and frowned upon as is in the actual world. There will always be people accusing one of another of racism, sexism, and such things.

There is no definite way to draw a line without personally having offended many other people.

Because no one really has any right to say if a culture is right or wrong, or if it's intolerence,

or abuse.

People just need to learn to seperate flames or what seem to be flames as actual hate,

not just coarse language. Because that is part of the world, just as much as everything else.

There is no way short of putting a huge logo that says

'WARNING: SERVER MAY CONTAIN MATURE CONTENT'

to actually go out and say "I told you so" to kids 13 and under.

It's out in the world now, it's a part of life.

Just because you think it's offensive doesn't nessecarily give you the right to judge it that way.

[Domremy!]

Finally you're openning your mind to reality.

Now focus on these points;

We see things differently so people will be against this and some will be with this.

Some will think that there needs to be improvement, some thing there doesn't need to be any.

Some think something can be done, something think nothing could be done.

This will minimalize absolutely nothing because those against censorship will continue to be against it and will instead break the rules more in order to restore everything to balance.

There has to be a balance between everything. Good and Evil, Fat and Skinny, Big and Small, Smart and Stupid so on and so forth.

VapoRub, what you said makes no sense whatsoever.

Alright, men may support women's rights. But do you see them bashing at others that don't support it?

You are not of the race insult therefor you shouldn't even bother with it. It's quite racist thinking that the term offends the race, you basically are thinking that they're too weak to handle it. Sometimes, you have to mind your business. If it was there war then they wouldn't be calling eachother Niggas all the time. Don't tell me you'd yell at a black person for saying nigga to their best friend.

MY TEXT IS ENTIRELY BOLDED, WTF ):

Yes, There's always people who are going to push back against what we say. But that's why we're offering suggestions like optional chat filters, to try to make everyone somewhat happy.

And I know what you're going to say. Something along the lines of, "You can't make everyone happy." And I completely agree with that. But hence the words 'try'. That's always the point. Trying.

[Sublime]

Then here once again comes the statement;

Everybody has different opinions about everything.

You're trying to make it ' better ' to your liking. Not to everyone's liking so technically it's not making it better.

What you can view as good others can view as bad due to the fact that we each own seperate minds.

You're only making 1 party happy. The other will dislike this.

[Ryoji]

Yes, There's always people who are going to push back against what we say. But that's why we're offering suggestions like optional chat filters, to try to make everyone somewhat happy.

fRO improved by this?

If you really want it improved then make a suggestion for a Chat Blocker like in iRO.

Instead of fuck; you recieve a red message in your chat filter saying something like

' Sorry buddy, foul language detected '.

Then it's solved.

Instead of ranting about the swears. Lol.

Am I the only one who saw this?

<_<;

[Domremy!]

Then here once again comes the statement;

Everybody has different opinions about everything.

You're trying to make it ' better ' to your liking. Not to everyone's liking so technically it's not making it better.

What you can view as good others can view as bad due to the fact that we each own seperate minds.

You're only making 1 party happy. The other will dislike this.

No. I'm just going to repeat part of my last post because apperently you didn't get it.

Yes, There's always people who are going to push back against what we say. But that's why we're offering suggestions like optional chat filters, to try to make everyone somewhat happy.

And yes, Ryoji, I was implying to that when i said optional chat filters.

[Sublime]

No. I'm just going to repeat part of my last post because apperently you didn't get it.

Yes, There's always people who are going to push back against what we say. But that's why we're offering suggestions like optional chat filters, to try to make everyone somewhat happy.

And yes, Ryoji, I was implying to that when i said optional chat filters.

Oh lord.

You don't get it.

Uh, I don't think so buddy.