Kyokushin

[Emy]

K so in brief, I've been doing Kyokushin Karate for a couple years +

A few months ago I got kicked several times in the knee during fight night, even though I warned my partner her kicks were too low, and she did it one too many times, too hard, and I was down with a severly bruised bone. I was out of commission for a while, but now I'm pretty much ok and back again. My spirit for the art was gone for several months for reasons other than my knee. I finally regained my ground and made my move, and I discovered the flame for kyokushin is still with me. As sentimental as this sounds, you don't know what it feels liek to train Kyokushin until you do it, it's absolutely fantastic for anyone who can take getting hit, grueling workouts, and a wonderful family.

I might fly to Vancouver to participate in a three days Seminar run by Shihan Bobby Lowe, one of the best kyokushinkai out there. Basically my drive is back and I'm a happier person for it.

I wanted to share a couple youtube videos with highlights etc from Kyokushin. At the beginnin of the video you'll see black and white images and video. That's a young Mas Oyama (read brief history below), wrestling bulls. He fought 52 in total, and killed three. The rest got their horns cut off with knife hand blows. However his first attempt got him nothing but an angry bull, that gored him. He managed to bull the bull off, cut off the horn and lived after being bed ridden for 6 months.

<---make sure yo catch the last 2mins XD

<--watch this one if you wanna appreciate the art of reading your oppenent. This is the only Worl Kyokushin Tournament where a non Japanese fighter won.

Brief History:

Kyokushin was founded by Sosai Mas Oyama. He opened his first dojo in 1955. The drop out rat was over 90% (in those days bare knickle full-contact hits were permitted tot he face). Oyama took things from every style he saw (he participate din many when he was younger) and refined them all to his technique and created a new martial art based on spirit, strength and humility.

At the age of 23 Oyama went into solitude in the mountains with his mentor's encouragements. His two year stay was cut short when his sponsor lacked the funds. A few months later he went to a new location to complete his two years; he trained every day for 12 hours with no off day. His training consisted of breaking river stones with his bare hands, punching trees full force, and repeating techniques thousands of times. When he came back to civilization he was confident. He challenged anyone, the majority of those people got knocked out with one hit. The common word was that is you blocked a punch to the ribs, your arm was broken or dislocated. If you let the punch in, your ribs were broken. He became knows as the God hand. He completed the 300 man kumite (fight) in one day and beat all of them. He only stopped around 300 because there was no one left to challenge him.

Mas Oyama died in 1994, of lung cancer. Even though I had no control over it at the time, I'll forever regret not meeting him.

Fact: Sean connory is a third degree kyokushin black belt. He was awarded that belt by Oyama himself.

Fact: Nelson Mandela is a kyokushin black belt

Fact: Dolph Lundgren (the russian fighter in the Rocky movie), is a black belt in kyokushin.

[Emy]

This is my eye candy when I can't see my bf. Look at his boxing...omg >< You'll know which one is Francesco Filho :D

[geldaz]

That I've noticed on videos ((didn't read what you wrote)) they just point for our muscles or tendons ((or how ever that is spelled)).Their main problem is kicking. Anyone relatevely prepared can avoid a kick and counter it back.

I'd dare any of these to fight Bas Rutten, or the in the old times, Mike Tyson.

I can't really explain much because my english isn't that great to strongly reforce what I'm saying,but I've been into Kick-Boxing and Pugilism for 3 years now and I know pretty much.

I just like that kind of ''art'' due to the jumps and moves. Like butterfly kick and these cool stuff. But,to be honest,I'd rather learn how to defend myself from a guy with a weapon (( which I know )) than doing loads of moves.

If I'm wrong,sorry for it. Never tried that type of karate yet,but it doesn't seem that great to me.

[Damascus]

Chill with bashing any of her thread. It's alright to have a little hatred but let her show her passion off without going against any feature of it regardless of this being an opinion or not or if it has flaws or not etc..

Video Section: Flamers don't touch this area.

[geldaz]

If I'm wrong,sorry for it. Never tried that type of karate yet,but it doesn't seem that great to me.

I didn't flame anyone I think >.> . She says it's the best Karate,I want to know why. I'd call it a friendly argue,since I haven't sweared ..yet

[Damascus]

Flame: Anything against someone regardless of it being offensive or not.

Definition changed since people can't handle the truth.

[Emy]

I don't consider what Geldaz said as flame. It's very natural that when someone new to kyokushin watches fights, all they see is sensless moves. But I know many people who kept watching, prominently Ricky, and now he sees it. These world tournaments are for real. Anyone of us would get knocked out cold, guaranteed.

In other terms, Kyokushin is the strongest Karate because it's real. It's none of that facy pansy kick punch hiya thing. It,s real hits. Those knockouts were full force, full strength. These guys don't hold back. Mas Oyama (our founder) took moves from various martial arts he practiced and saw and refined it to make it real. Real as in, you can use it on the street. From what I see of kickboxing vs Kyokushin, Kyokushin is more an artform, family, thing. I mean all I ever see them do is hit each other x__x I've been places with Kyokushin and even the people who beat each other up love each other lol.

Of course there are fancier things, but it all has a purpose that can be put to use. And if you're wondering how strong this karate actually is, would you really want to get hit with one of those tibias? Because they train them to be like steel.

If you want to defend yourself Geldaz, then anything you learn in Kyokushin will help you. Swear. Even the basic movements that look all...wierd at first, are actually movements against an opponent.

I've never heard of Bas Rutten. I'll look him up later on youtube. But I'm sure Filho could give him an unforgettable match.

ps...i'm reading over y initial post...good lord I have so many stupid spelling mistakes....sigh...

[geldaz]

Bas Rutten is in my opinion one of the best out there. I enjoy watching his combats and his tutorials on self defense. Well,that I saw, Kyokushin is more of hitting critical points in our body. They don't try much to avoid their opponents strike.

In Kick-Boxing,I swear god,if you don't defend on avoid a punch,you're K.O in 1 hit. Best exemple of it? : Mike Tyson.

We're trained to hold has many punches has possible,but if we take such a strong punch in upper right/left side of our head,you can actually die. That's why we take the thing on our nose (( I don't know its name on english)) so we don't either : Break our nose and suffer massive bleeding or ; the thing on our nose,with an uppercut,hits our brain,killing us instantly. I'd rather get kicked or punched by these Kyokushin people than from a Pugilist.

Bas Rutten isn't well known but.. I'd dare any of these karate guys to fight Mike Tyson OR Chuck Liddel

quick edit: Pugilists use gloves,and it already fucking hurts. Imagine getting punched in the face or any part of your body by a pugilist with his PURE hand,without gloves. He'd hand would probably get hurt,but you'd get really ''owned''.

[Emy]

ok good. My comments are in bold next to yours.

Bas Rutten is in my opinion one of the best out there. I enjoy watching his combats and his tutorials on self defense. Well,that I saw, Kyokushin is more of hitting critical points in our body. The point of kyokushin in full-contact tournaments is to knock out your opponent. They don't try much to avoid their opponents strike. We're trained to take many many hits before we go down, And to keep our guards up to avoid hits to the face.

In Kick-Boxing,I swear god,if you don't defend on avoid a punch,you're K.O in 1 hit. Best exemple of it? : Mike Tyson.

We're trained to hold has many punches has possible,but if we take such a strong punch in upper right/left side of our head,you can actually die. We're not allowed hits to the face anymore. Everything used to be allowed. The drop rate of Mas Oyama's first dojo was 90% because of how many people got injured and how rigorous the training was. I mean you guys wear gloves at least. Imagine bare knuckle...we're allowed kicks and knees to the face tho. That's why we take the thing on our nose (( I don't know its name on english)) so we don't either : Break our nose and suffer massive bleeding or ; the thing on our nose,with an uppercut,hits our brain,killing us instantly. I'd rather get kicked or punched by these Kyokushin people than from a Pugilist. If it came down to it, a trained kyokushinkai can fuck you up just as bad, if not worse that one of those guys. The tournaments are just controlled. We,re also taight delf-defense in class where everything goes.

Bas Rutten isn't well known but.. I'd dare any of these karate guys to fight Mike Tyson OR Chuck Liddel I know em, but they'd have trouble against Kancho Matsuei, or Filho, Hajime, Andy Hug ppl like that.

quick edit: Pugilists use gloves,and it already fucking hurts. Imagine getting punched in the face or any part of your body by a pugilist with his PURE hand,without gloves (that's what we do. Bare to the ribs, stomach biceps, w/e, but like I said, the face is now illegal in tournaments). He'd hand would probably get hurt,but you'd get really ''owned''. my sensei hits wooden shelf in back of our dojo hard to the point where that half of the floor shakes. We train our knuckles for that. I mean common, I've seen guys break 5+ cement bricks with their fist in kyokushin. I think someone face is short work for those guys x__x

I like this discussion

And Sean Connory is third degree kyokushin black belt. That's gotta mean something XD

[geldaz]

I don't think breaking bricks has anything to do with strenght. They just need to hit in the right spot. I've seen like,nerds,ripping the Yellow book ((not sure if it exists there,it's a huge book with phone numbers)) easily,and such fucking strong guys couldn't even rip a little.

Any sport / art that is about fighting,has its main objective,which is,knock your opponent. But,in Pugilism,they go full. Anyone who takes a full-power punch from Mike Tyson or Chuck Lidell would probably choke up,which is completely diffrent from taking a hit in your critical points.

Let's see the diffrence :

A hit on critical points --> For sure will paralyze your muscle for some time,making it unusable,which ..fails.

A full-power hit --> Paralyzes,can break,and can kill.

If you've got no idea what taking a real punch is, try going to a Pugilism gym ,ask for the better guy,and tell him to punch you in your arm,leg,face,wherever you want. There was once,I didn't took attention,and took a full-power punch on my stomach ,on the abdominals area. I couldn't breath,and I feelt like I was dieng.

Its...scary.

[Emy]

I don't think breaking bricks has anything to do with strenght. Has everything to do with training your fists to withstand it. I brought up the bricks to point out that someone who has properly trained their fists would break someone's face without much detriment to their hand. They just need to hit in the right spot. I've seen like,nerds,ripping the Yellow book ((not sure if it exists there,it's a huge book with phone numbers)) easily,and such fucking strong guys couldn't even rip a little. Technique. The better it is the stronger you'll be, that includes your punches and kicks.

Any sport / art that is about fighting, has its main objective,which is,knock your opponent. But,in Pugilism,they go full. Kyokushin goes full. Anyone who takes a full-power punch from Mike Tyson or Chuck Lidell would probably choke up Not the kyokushin world fighters. I mean sure some would get winded if they were caught of guard or their breathing was badly timed or it it was in the right spot. But I've never seen filho get winded. It just never happens,which is completely diffrent from taking a hit in your critical points. we don't focus on critical points at all. You misunderstood me. If we hit to critical points ppl would be in the hospital. Course we're taught where the better areas of contact are, but that's not out focus. Full-contact kyokushin is just that....full fucking bare-knuckle in your face bring it on bitch. I mean our founder wrestled and killed bulls, and fought 300 men and beat them all in one day. He was a power house. Read my initial post it's all in there sumarized

Let's see the diffrence :

A hit on critical points --> For sure will paralyze your muscle for some time,making it unusable,which ..fails. Does't fail when the person can,t walk XD (seen it happen) nor when th eperson gets KO

A full-power hit --> Paralyzes,can break,and can kill.

If you've got no idea what taking a real punch is Got a really good idea, try going to a Pugilism gym try going into a kyokushin Dojo on fight night XD,ask for the better guy come to my dojo and ask for sempai pat LOL (=beast),and tell him to punch you in your arm,leg,face,wherever you want. There was once,I didn't took attention,and took a full-power punch on my stomach ,on the abdominals area. I couldn't breath,and I feelt like I was dieng. Sempai Pat winded me that bad once too. Worst I ever had (I breathed in as he punched so my breathing was off...unlucky me). I fell on the ground severly winded, I couldnt breathe, and 5 seconds later he pulled me up, put my arms over my head, and we continued fighting, about 20 seconds after it happened. That's spirit. That's what kyokushin is. It's so hard to explain :/ You have to try it D:

Its...scary. Yeah I agree, Sempai Pat is scary XD And he's not even at Francesco Filho's level.

Read my initial post it'll give you a brief history. On another not I don't call Kyokushin the strongest Karate. It's known that way. And it,s not only pphysical, it's emotional and spiritual too.

Also, again the technique. Those fighters you listed only hit so hard because of their technique. Every style has technique and most is hard to master. Course some bitches are natural fighters x_x